iPadThin due in march

[Red Storm]

Do you really want to look at resale value of android vs. apple products? Really? Ok, well here goes:

ASUS EEE Pad transformer (Released March 30th, 2011):
$200 sold on ebay - http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-Eee-Pa...10992954958?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item19d7b2164e

iPad 2 (released March 11th, 2011):
$250 sold (WITH A BROKEN SCREEN) - http://www.ebay.com/itm/iPad-2-16gb...50970502871?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item23268b0ed7

Broken apple products hold their value better than perfectly fine android products. lol.

I remember seeing a galaxy tab 7" go from $240 new to $180 new at costco. The actual retail value of the product is dropping! That greatly damages the 'value' of the used product.

Resale value on android as a whole is much worse. Same thing holds true whether you are talking about a single manufacturer or every android manufacturer.

Your post has absolutely nothing to do with mine. Why are you arguing Android vs iOS? This has nothing to do with that. Take your flamebait elsewhere please.

This thread is about the matter of whether or not a new iPad is going to come out in March 2013. If one does, that would mean that from the one year span of March 2012 to March 2013, there will be three different iPad releases. That's one too many. There was no point in releasing the 4 if they were going to come out with the next one in March as usual. I don't expect them to continue this, I just find it funny that they would put a dent in the value of two different iPad models in so little time.

 

[bearxor]

Note 1 release: late October 2011
Note 2 release: late September 2012

Oh yeah, releasing a successor 11 months later is really the same as launching a replacement every six months.

He's probably thinking about the US launch of the Note, which didn't happen until February, I believe, and then the Note 2 was launched across all carriers in the US in Nov, so only about 9 months.

Not that Samsung can really be blamed for AT&T dragging its feet here in the states.

 

[bearxor]

Your post has absolutely nothing to do with mine. Why are you arguing Android vs iOS? This has nothing to do with that. Take your flamebait elsewhere please.

This thread is about the matter of whether or not a new iPad is going to come out in March 2013. If one does, that would mean that from the one year span of March 2012 to March 2013, there will be three different iPad releases. That's one too many. There was no point in releasing the 4 if they were going to come out with the next one in March as usual. I don't expect them to continue this, I just find it funny that they would put a dent in the value of two different iPad models in so little time.

As far as I'm concerned, as long as Apple shows they're willing to offer software support and updates for a sufficient period of time, they could release a new iPhone or iPad every 6 months for all I care.

I still believe they're just positioning themselves to blanket the market at every price point over $200.

 

[Red Storm]

As far as I'm concerned, as long as Apple shows they're willing to offer software support and updates for a sufficient period of time, they could release a new iPhone or iPad every 6 months for all I care.

I still believe they're just positioning themselves to blanket the market at every price point over $200.

Different products I have no problem with, that kind of choice is great for consumers. Releasing the next iteration of the same product in so little time is not preferable for anyone who likes their devices to retain monetary value for reselling later.

 

[cheezy321]

Your post has absolutely nothing to do with mine. Why are you arguing Android vs iOS? This has nothing to do with that. Take your flamebait elsewhere please.

This thread is about the matter of whether or not a new iPad is going to come out in March 2013. If one does, that would mean that from the one year span of March 2012 to March 2013, there will be three different iPad releases. That's one too many. There was no point in releasing the 4 if they were going to come out with the next one in March as usual. I don't expect them to continue this, I just find it funny that they would put a dent in the value of two different iPad models in so little time.

I am simply pointing out there is no alternative product out there that will retain the 'value' that Apple products keep (even years after their release). Your entire post was about the value dropping. Why wouldn't I focus on that?

Your point would be more valid if you could offer an alternative product to recommend. You have not (or cant) so therefore I will compare it to the closest alternative and that is buying an android product.

 

[QueBert]

Note 1 release: late October 2011
Note 2 release: late September 2012

Oh yeah, releasing a successor 11 months later is really the same as launching a replacement every six months.

The Note didn't come out in the US October 2011, it was March. I don't care when it came out in Europe, the US version of the 2 should have been put on hold since they did it with the 1.

 

[Red Storm]

I am simply pointing out there is no alternative product out there that will retain the 'value' that Apple products keep (even years after their release). Your entire post was about the value dropping. Why wouldn't I focus on that?

Your point would be more valid if you could offer an alternative product to recommend. You have not (or cant) so therefore I will compare it to the closest alternative and that is buying an android product.

You aren't focusing on the value of the iPad, you're trying to go off on yet another Android vs iOS debate, in a thread that has nothing to do with Android. Not gonna work, sorry.

If Apple is returning to its annual March release schedule, and if I owned an iPad 4, I would definitely sell it and wait for the newer model.

 

[cheezy321]

You aren't focusing on the value of the iPad, you're trying to go off on yet another Android vs iOS debate, in a thread that has nothing to do with Android. Not gonna work, sorry.

If Apple is returning to its annual March release schedule, and if I owned an iPad 4, I would definitely sell it and wait for the newer model.

Do you have any alternative to suggest or are you just merely complaining about the release date of a product you will never own?

 

[Red Storm]

Do you have any alternative to suggest or are you just merely complaining about the release date of a product you will never own?

That's the point is it not? There is no alternative. Android is not a replacement for iOS, and vice versa. This would only be the case if apps, services and purchases transferred over, which they do not.

It's pretty darn simple. Someone who spent $500 on the bare minimum iPad 4, will find their tablet lose about $100 in value come March when the newer, faster model is launched (if it launches, which I expect will happen). That's only ~4 months, whereas normally you expect a full year before this happens, in this case it's 1/3 of that time. This sucks for the people getting duped into buying the iPad 4 at $500+.

Imagine Nissan launching the 2013 Altima at X price, and then 4 months later they launch the 2014 Altima at the same exact price. People buying the '13 model would expect their car to deprecate at the usual rate with a newer model the next year, instead they got duped into buying a car that was replaced with a better model at the same price in only 1/3 of that time.

 

[MrX8503]

No, because, obviously, apple is one company and android is licensed by many. As has been stated so many f*cking times on AT. And you of all people calling someone biased? LOL at yourself.

HTC is one company that has released many smartphones with a quick update cycle. Happy?

 

[Ravynmagi]

I think this report is nothing but speculation. There's a reason why the 10" iPad should not have thin side margins like the iPad mini.

Yeah. EVERY time an iPad comes out, shortly afterwards people start predicting the next one will be coming sooner based on their "inside sources".

A great deal of the Apple rumors are just someone's unsubstantiated speculation under the false pretense of having inside information.

 

[Chiropteran]

The Note didn't come out in the US October 2011, it was March. I don't care when it came out in Europe, the US version of the 2 should have been put on hold since they did it with the 1.

International version of the note works fine in the US. US customers didn't need to wait for the US version. Your argument has been refuted.

 

[cheezy321]

International version of the note works fine in the US. US customers didn't need to wait for the US version. Your argument has been refuted.

What carrier in the US could you buy the international version from?

 

[bearxor]

What carrier in the US could you buy the international version from?

You couldn't buy it from any carrier, but that doesnt mean it was stopping anyone from ordering the international version and using it on AT&T or T-Mobile.

But I think everyone here at least acknowledges the truth that, in America, the vast majority of wireless users are going to purchase their devices from a carrier with a subsidy.

 

[Red Storm]

You couldn't buy it from any carrier, but that doesnt mean it was stopping anyone from ordering the international version and using it on AT&T or T-Mobile.

But I think everyone here at least acknowledges the truth that, in America, the vast majority of wireless users are going to purchase their devices from a carrier with a subsidy.

If the phone can be bought and used in the US, then it's available, and that's the simple truth. Otherwise going by that logic the Nexus 4 has never been available for US customers on AT&T's network, and if that's the case then what's this thing sitting on my desk...

 

[openwheel]

The Note 1 and Note 2 had almost a year between releases. That's the hard truth, even if some try to bend the twist reality.

 

[dagamer34]

If the phone can be bought and used in the US, then it's available, and that's the simple truth. Otherwise going by that logic the Nexus 4 has never been available for US customers on AT&T's network, and if that's the case then what's this thing sitting on my desk...

Importing does not count as "available", otherwise there is plenty of stuff sold in Japan that is "available" if you want to pay through the nose for it.

The question shouldn't be "can I buy it" but "can I buy it for a reasonable price" because paying $799 to import a UK version of a phone addresses such a small market, it does not impact the balance sheet of any phone OEM.

 

[openwheel]

Please show me these android devices that have a better resale value than their Apple counterpart. I've never seen an example before.

that's easy just look at the Nexus 7 and Nexus 4

 

[JavaMomma]

Im actually expecting new iPads by summer that will look like this:

iPad 2 16GB $299
iPad 4 16GB $399
iPad 4.5 16GB $499

Not going to happen, it's not Apple's style. Even the iPad mini is $329, they're not going to start selling full iPad 2s for less. I'm not sure what the products/pricing will be but Apple doesn't do price cuts or make moves that will cut into their margins.

 

[bearxor]

If the phone can be bought and used in the US, then it's available, and that's the simple truth. Otherwise going by that logic the Nexus 4 has never been available for US customers on AT&T's network, and if that's the case then what's this thing sitting on my desk...

I said "vast majority". There will always be people who don't mind buying a device directly from a manufactruer or importing it from an overseas shop. They, you, and I are in the minority.

 

[bearxor]

Not going to happen, it's not Apple's style. Even the iPad mini is $329, they're not going to start selling full iPad 2s for less. I'm not sure what the products/pricing will be but Apple doesn't do price cuts or make moves that will cut into their margins.

A few years ago, I would have agreed with you. But I don't now. I think the real turning point for me was continuing to sell the iPad 2 and the iPhone 3GS long after their time. There's still a ton of profit to be made on $299 iPad 2's at this point, and apple seems committed enough to the device to continue to produce it rather than discontinuing it and slotting the iPad 3 in to its place. A $200 iPad Mini is probably cutting it close, but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility.

As far as I see it, there's only two options. Apple expands the product line to cover just about every price point so as to not give Android devices a field to play on, or they go back to a yearly cycle. If I were there, if want to start getting real aggressive right about now, especially in the tablet market where you're not limited by a carrier exclusivity contract and you're clearly ahead. It's not the time to turtle.

 

[JavaMomma]

MicroSD slot, HDMI out, USB 3 port, 16:9 form factor, faster SoC, more RAM and higher contrast display off the top of my head for major shortcomings

I really hope the iPad never goes to 16:9, hate that ratio for everything but TVs and it's OK on a phone. Every tablet that's 16x9 I've used feels just wrong, way to narrow. The reason why it doesn't work for me is I read a lot of financial reports and they all come in PDF which just sucks at 16x9.

 

[openwheel]

isn't the tablet/ipad more of a media consumption device? It's better to watch a movie on the airplane with 16:9 panel, than the 4:3 panel. If people are okay with shrinking a movie into 4:3, why not shrink a financial report on a 16:9? Especially since you can and pane and zoom on a pdf file.

 

[dainthomas]

I remember seeing a galaxy tab 7" go from $240 new to $180 new at costco. The actual retail value of the product is dropping! That greatly damages the 'value' of the used product.

No matter how often I see it, I always laugh at people who are proud of the fact that they pay more.

 

[cheezy321]

No matter how often I see it, I always laugh at people who are proud of the fact that they pay more.

I always laugh at people who can't comprehend a conversation about the value of a used product.