iPad(3) sales in China onto a weak start. iPhone luster wanes.

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zoiks

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Bad times a comin. This is what happens when you try to maximize your profits by making minimal changes to your product.

"The (iPhone 4S) model is a little bit too long in the tooth when compared to other phones with better specs," said TZ Wong, a Beijing-based analyst from research firm IDC.
"To put it plainly, consumers are getting a little bit tired of the look of the iPhone 4 and the iPhone 4S."

http://newyork.newsday.com/news/wor...-open-door-for-samsung-other-rivals-1.3859713
 
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AstroManLuca

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At any rate, I expect iPhone sales are in a slump right now because of how old the 4S is. Once the 5 is released it'll go back to normal and analysts won't be so hard on them. Honestly I don't know how someone can look at lackluster sales figures and come to any conclusion other than a temporary slump due to an older product.
 
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The iPhone 5 and its magical, revolutionary 4" screen is going to sell like gangbusters to make up for it.
 
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AstroManLuca said:
At any rate, I expect iPhone sales are in a slump right now because of how old the 4S is. Once the 5 is released it'll go back to normal and analysts won't be so hard on them. Honestly I don't know how someone can look at lackluster sales figures and come to any conclusion other than a temporary slump due to an older product.
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This. People just like to say they 'called' the downfall of some company. Bad times a comin? Riiiiiiiiiiight.
 
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All empires crumble and fall. This just shows Apple's slow 1 year release cycle is hurting it. I'm looking forward to the slew of Nexus devices to challenge the iPhone 5 this fall, Apple just can't get a break ;)
 
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psych2 said:
This just shows Apple's slow 1 year release cycle is hurting it.
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Samsung played the right hand by releasing the SGS3 when they did. 10 million sales already, and they still have another full quarter of sales before the iPhone 5 comes out.

Samsung already doubled Apple's quarterly smartphone unit sales in Q2, and that gap will increase in Q3.

Samsung Q2 profits jump 79%
 
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zoiks said:
I think you missed the iPad3 lackluster sales part.
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The article doesn't even provide a link to survey to back this claim up, let alone provide any kind of sales data or other context to support this claim.

If we're just going to start believing unsupported claims, just because someone on the internet says so, you may as well just start posting excerpts from Time Cube to make a point.

Here, let's give it a spin:

"I am a Knower of 4 corner
simultaneous 24 hour Days
that occur within a single
4 corner rotation of Earth."

I'm not even sure what the hell it means, but it's about as well supported as anything posted in that article. Ergo, you're obviously wrong due to your er— clearly three corner data being insufficient. QED, etc. etc.
 
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psych2 said:
All empires crumble and fall. This just shows Apple's slow 1 year release cycle is hurting it. I'm looking forward to the slew of Nexus devices to challenge the iPhone 5 this fall, Apple just can't get a break ;)
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That's ridiculous.

A 1 year cycle is perfect for their products.

Nobody in their right state of mind would buy more of the same gadgets without at least 12 months of amortization time.

It is Samsung, Nokia, and everyone else that is doing wrong, by pumping out new models faster than their rate of adoption. With a 1 year cycle, Apple has more R&D time to develop a better product, and catches most consumers, even those who already own an Apple product, when the upgrade bug bites.
 
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Snipped from article- "But an iPad 3 launch in China last week did not generate the normal buying frenzy..."

That doesn't sound like a 'weak' start, and at any rate there's no real numbers cited in that article for iPads to start forecasting the demise of Apple.

I mean, Wall Street hypes up a huge forecast, Apple almost meets it anyway with record 3q12 sales, stock prices take a small hit.
 
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JAG87 said:
That's ridiculous.

A 1 year cycle is perfect for their products.

Nobody in their right state of mind would buy more of the same gadgets without at least 12 months of amortization time.

It is Samsung, Nokia, and everyone else that is doing wrong, by pumping out new models faster than their rate of adoption. With a 1 year cycle, Apple has more R&D time to develop a better product, and catches most consumers, even those who already own an Apple product, when the upgrade bug bites.
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Agreed. There's things Apple should've thought of, but an October release for an iPhone 4S is still not that long gone. It was 5 months newer than the SGS2, and they could've easily packed say a 4" or 4.3" screen and it wouldn't feel as blown away by today's 4.8" screen.

Heck, take an SGS2. It's not a bad phone at all. In fact it can run anything you throw at it. Sure it might not feel as fast as an SGS3 or One X, but I'd say that has to do with Android's hardware optimizations over anything. 60fps smoothness should be easily attainable with any hardware in the past 2 years.

Android phones have benefited largely from brute force hardware upgrades like massive 2GB RAM, quad core CPUs. Apple hardware has shown that it doesn't desperately need all these crazy specs to do well.

The iPhone 4S is a damn fast phone, and if they had launched it just with a bigger screen, I think it wouldn't feel as left behind with the market today. Launching a phone every 3 months doesn't really benefit anyone. It hurts the consumers most. Samsung and HTC have learned this and too have yearly product cycles.

Edit: If you take the idiotic US market out of the picture, Samsung has launched the SGS1, SGS2, SGS3 in a yearly cycle. HTC launched the Desire, Sensation, and now One X in yearly cycles too. Motorola's probably the worst company in terms of launching products left and right.
 
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JAG87 said:
It is Samsung, Nokia, and everyone else that is doing wrong, by pumping out new models faster than their rate of adoption.
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Those companies don't control the OS as well, so they can't play the same game as Apple. If Samsung tried to switch to the same product cycle as Apple, they'd get slaughtered by every other manufacturer that has a slightly better product available every few months.

Android manufacturers need to have a faster refresh cycle because for any given phone, it only has a few months before someone else releases something better. If your sales are going to start to tank for a particular model after a short period of time, you need something new to take their place.
 
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Mopetar said:
Those companies don't control the OS as well, so they can't play the same game as Apple. If Samsung tried to switch to the same product cycle as Apple, they'd get slaughtered by every other manufacturer that has a slightly better product available every few months.

Android manufacturers need to have a faster refresh cycle because for any given phone, it only has a few months before someone else releases something better. If your sales are going to start to tank for a particular model after a short period of time, you need something new to take their place.
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they have similar product release cycles. so does htc.
 
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I think in general, there are a lot more drool worthy phones out nowadays than before.
 
AstroManLuca

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DLeRium said:
Agreed. There's things Apple should've thought of, but an October release for an iPhone 4S is still not that long gone. It was 5 months newer than the SGS2, and they could've easily packed say a 4" or 4.3" screen and it wouldn't feel as blown away by today's 4.8" screen.

Heck, take an SGS2. It's not a bad phone at all. In fact it can run anything you throw at it. Sure it might not feel as fast as an SGS3 or One X, but I'd say that has to do with Android's hardware optimizations over anything. 60fps smoothness should be easily attainable with any hardware in the past 2 years.

Android phones have benefited largely from brute force hardware upgrades like massive 2GB RAM, quad core CPUs. Apple hardware has shown that it doesn't desperately need all these crazy specs to do well.
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It's crazy to think that the iPhone 4S isn't even a year old yet. I didn't even realize that. In our gadget-centric world, 9 months is an eternity.

I think the perception of the 4S being "outdated" or "long in the tooth" is amplified by the fact that the 4S launched 16 months after the 4, not 12. Because of the delay, peoples' expectations grew even bigger so the 4S was a letdown to many who were expecting a larger screen or something.
 
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Awesome, another analyst who thinks they're right. Just like the analysts who were totally wrong about Apple's financial results for the past 3+ years.
 
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