Introduction to smartphones?

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
40,462
9,964
136
My cell phone is an old LG VX4500. It's not too smart. I don't use it much, have a prepaid plan where I buy minumum $10 worth of minutes every 120 days. At that rate, I get a minute for $0.10.

I am looking at the Nokia 520 (I don't know if I could use it with the >$60 prepaid worth of usage I have with my current plan through Pagepluscellular, figure maybe not.), am especially attracted to its Sat Nav capability and the low $60 cost, decent screen and processor, etc.

I'm curious to discover other usefulness in a smartphone. However in trying to figure this out I am encountering a lot of terms I don't understand too well, e.g. activation, locking, unlocking, data plans, internet connectivity, 3G, 4G, other networks, smartphones and wifi, prepaid plans, online vs. offline usage, GPS capability and smartphones (and the ins and outs), etc.... basic stuff most experienced users pretty much take for granted. I just did some Googling and am not encountering sites that patiently explain the ins and outs of smartphones. Surely they are out there. Even Wikipedia's page on smartphones isn't helpful in demystifying the concepts you encounter when you try to understand the terrain, read owner reviews, even professional reviews. Please link me with some site(s) where I can get an education. Thank you!
 
Last edited:

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
40,462
9,964
136
Yeah, it's funny, I don't normally do this but I looked up the For Dummies list at Amazon for smartphones and they all seem to be specific to a certain set of smartphones, e.g. iPhones, Android, Samsung Galaxy S 4, etc. I'd think there'd be a place where you can get an overall treatment, where they break down and explain the terms you encounter when you are looking at the broad spectrum. I could get a book on Windows phones (such as the linked), but I'd like to not focus so narrowly at the moment.
 

thedosbox

Senior member
Oct 16, 2009
961
0
0
I'm curious to discover other usefulness in a smartphone. However in trying to figure this out I am encountering a lot of terms I don't understand too well, e.g. activation, locking, unlocking, data plans, internet connectivity, 3G, 4G, other networks, smartphones and wifi, prepaid plans, online vs. offline usage, GPS capability and smartphones (and the ins and outs), etc.... basic stuff most experienced users pretty much take for granted.

Activation = registering the phone for use on a particular carrier. Not really a concern unless you're on a CDMA carrier (e.g. Verizon, US Cellular)

Locking/Unlocking = depends on the context:

- SIM unlocking = allows a phone to be used on another carrier.
- Screen lock = requires a PIN/password to be entered before the phone can be used for anything other than making a call

Data plan/internet connectivity = A smartphone is basically an internet connected computer, and requires a data connection. The data plan is an agreement between the customer and carrier on how much data you can use per month before you have to pay "overage" charges.

3G/4G = a proxy for how fast a carrier's data network is. There are multiple types of "3G" and "4G", but 4G is generally faster.

Smartphone = mobile device that can install and run arbitrary programs (apps) as well as make phone calls.

wifi = short-range wireless networking, generally used to provide network access (e.g. via your home internet connection) without using your carrier's network

GPS = ability to locate your current position by detecting signals from GPS satellites.

Prepaid plans = really? You already have one.

Online/offline = depends on the context, but generally the ability to work without an active data connection
 
Last edited:

Belegost

Golden Member
Feb 20, 2001
1,807
19
81
I've looked around, and I can't come up with anything that offers the depth and generality of material you're looking for.

Perhaps a good idea is to use this thread to get answers from the community as you encounter concepts not well explained elsewhere.

Overall I would say a smartphone is one of those things in life best learned by jumping in and experiencing it, but there are definitely some basics that we can go over.

Prepaid/post-paid: Currently in the US there are broadly two common models for service plans used with smartphones.

The most popular currently is the post-paid contract, this is the same setup that has been used commonly for the major carriers for all types of cell phones for 20 years. You go to a carrier store(or online), you pick out a phone which will be sold at a subsidized price, you sign a contract (generally for 2 years) agreeing to a specific set of included services (voice minutes, text messaging, data, etc.) and a monthly fee. Since the phone is subsidized by the contract terms there are financial penalties for breaking the contract, and until the contract ends the phone itself is not fully yours.

The second most popular is the standard prepaid service. In this model you visit a store or go online to a service provider. In this model the provider may sell you a phone, but you will likely pay the entire cost of the device up front, and own it outright at that time. You then choose a service plan based on the same factors, you will pay the bill for the month in advance, and sign no contracts and are free to stop service at any time.

Phone unlocking: Fitting with the post paid contract model phones purchased from carriers will generally be software configured so that they can only be used on that carriers network - this is a locked phone. Unlocking then is the process of removing that software restriction so the phone can be used on another carrier. This can either be done by the carrier that sold the phone, or by a third-party process (which may be operating in a legal grey area)

Smartphone Data plans: Many of the functions that make a smartphone smart require access to the internet. This connection transmits and receives packets of data which is metered by the carrier. A smartphone service plan will include a data section that describes how you are billed for using data. The most common way this is billed is to include a pool of available data usage for each month, for instance 2GB of data transfer might be included as part of the monthly fee. Depending on the plan there may be a charge for exceeding this limit, or you may find that the speed of data is greatly reduced.

Smartphone Apps: The modern smartphone is really a computer that happens to fit in your pocket and lets you make phone calls. As with any other computer you have worked with before it is expandable through the addition of new software programs, which for smartphones have been termed Apps. Apps can perform many different functions, they can edit photos, play and even edit music and videos, create, edit and/or scan documents. There are limitations in terms of abilities on such a small device, but many things can be done.

App stores: Getting apps onto a phone is a bit different than a computer. Generally app installation is done over the internet through an app store on the phone. The store will allow you to search for apps, have recommended apps, and lists of popular apps. The store will generally bill for apps through an attached credit card handled by the company behind the store. Each smartphone system has a different choice of app store(s) and apps contained within them (much like Mac and Windows have different programs) Apple runs a store only available on iPhone (and allows no others), and Microsoft runs a similar store on WinPhone, Google runs a store for Android, which also allows for other stores to be installed, with Amazon having a popular competitive store. The base store for the phone will come installed on it, and after setting up a payment account to use with it can be used any time that network access is available.

Online/Offline: Very much like any computer program you have used before apps may work entirely on the computer/smartphone, or it may require a connection to the internet for some or all functionality. So an app that shows a map of your location (more on this in the next section) may store the maps on the phone, or may require that it connect to a server online to get the map for your area. Given that data plans (discussed above) generally allow for a limited amount of transfer in a month and may charge penalties for exceeding that limit, knowing whether an app is using online data can be important for avoiding surprise bills.

Wifi/Cell Data: Smartphones come with two primary ways to connect to the internet. Wifi is the same networking you have used on laptops for years. You open the wifi settings, pick a network you're allowed on, enter a security password as needed, and then data is sent and received through that wifi connection. Data transferred over Wifi networks does not count against your monthly data limits, so again this is useful for avoiding charges or slow speeds. The other is cellular data, this is the data covered in the service plan, this travels over the cellular provider's network. The advantage to cellular data is that it is far more available than wifi in many places, and it is seamless as you move around, meaning that you can be at home, at the office, at the dentist's and the connection will follow you without you doing anything - unlike Wifi which you need to attach to networks each time you move into a new location.

Smartphone GPS and navigation: One of the highlight features of smartphones is the ability to perform navigation services using the GPS systems for location. GPS alone would give you a longitude/latitude coordinate to tell you where you are - hardly useful for the average person who wants to know how to get to a client's office. So a smartphone will include an app (and other's could be downloaded from the store) for maps and navigation. This app will be similar to MapQuest, google maps (for android it IS google maps), and similar websites you have probably seen. The one difference is that the smartphone will use the GPS to center the map on your location and provide a dot that represents where you are. The app can be used to search for addresses, or name's of locations, or even more abstract things like "gas station" or "pizza" and will bring up a location(s) near your position that fit the search. The app will be able to give you directions for transport between your current location and a location of interest - and for the better ones this includes walking/biking, driving, and public transportation options. They will also generally be able to provide voice directions on a turn-by-turn basis to guide you as you go to your destination. (Very similar to dedicated GPS units you may have used in a car before)

Navigation and Data: Going back to the ever important data question, the mapping app can either store the map and location data on the phone or it can be stored on a server that the app communicates with at the time of use. There are advantages and disadvantages to both methods. If the maps are stored on the phone then directions and search will work even when you are out of cellular/wifi coverage, and using the maps will not be using data from your data plan. However, downloaded maps are only as current as the most recent update, and may not have as much detail about local businesses and points of interest due to space constraints. For online maps the opposite is true, without a connection to cellular or wifi the map is not able to give data, and using the map when not connected to Wifi will use data from the service plan, however online servers can be updated more frequently and will include all the data the provider has on locations.

Anyways, I do suggest simply asking more questions about terms being thrown around that lack enough explanation, I'm sure people around here would be more than happy to help bring you up to speed.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
40,462
9,964
136
Thank you for these detailed and considered responses. I'm really glad I posted here. This information has given me new understanding, cleared up some notions for me, sharpened ideas that were somehow not in focus.

I read somewhere that in order to download and install apps I would need an internet connection with my Nokia 520 (I'm almost assuming now that I will order this shortly). I imagine I will want some kind of data plan and cellular phone service, probably prepaid. I think the standard Nokia 520 is locked, I have seen unlocked versions selling for ~2x the $60 standard version selling on Amazon. I think the standard version is for an AT&T plan. I could get some kind of prepaid AT&T plan, owner reviews seem to suggest. I presume that I won't be able to use my current prepaid provider (Pagepluscellular) with the Nokia, no big deal, however I will look into that.

A question I have is whether I could locate, download and install apps (whether free or paid) by using wifi in my house (I have a wireless network installed here), without using my data plan.

The reason I started this quest this week is that I want GPS capability in my car. I actually bought a Garmin Nuvi 2595 LMTHD GPS via Costco online, which should be delivered tomorrow. However, I'm seriously considering returning that to a B&M Costco for refund (unopened), and using the Nokia 520 instead. I'm told that once the maps are downloaded I can use the Nokia offline as a GPS, get voice commands. Why get two new devices if just one might suffice? Anyway, I'd like to get my feet wet in the smartphone arena!
 
Last edited:

Viper GTS

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
38,107
433
136
What made you choose a Windows Phone device? Just the low cost of entry?

You seem to be willing to abandon Page Plus (which is a Verizon MVNO, so CDMA) and your credit, so your options are much wider than they would be otherwise.

IMO you'd be better served by something like a Moto G. You may end up paying a little more up front for it but it's unlocked, will get software upgrades, and honestly HSPA+ is pretty decent on the major GSM carriers (T-Mo, AT&T). And most importantly you'll have access to a fully developed app marketplace. I've played the tiny market share mobile OS game and it sucks. Nothing you want will ever be available because nobody wants to develop for anything other than iOS/Android.

If you're budget conscious I'd say the Moto G + T-Mobile's $30 plan (100 minutes, unlimited text and data).

And to answer your question, yes you can use wifi for any data needs without touching your mobile data.

Viper GTS
 

thedosbox

Senior member
Oct 16, 2009
961
0
0
What made you choose a Windows Phone device? Just the low cost of entry?

Looks like he wants the ability to use GPS with offline maps (i.e. without hitting his data plan).

A question I have is whether I could locate, download and install apps (whether free or paid) by using wifi in my house (I have a wireless network installed here), without using my data plan.

Yes, so long as you have configured the phone to connect to your house's wifi. Just bear in mind that many apps require a data connection (doesn't matter if it's wi-fi or cellular data) in order to function.
 

Belegost

Golden Member
Feb 20, 2001
1,807
19
81
I use WinPhone myself and have setup a Lumia 521 (the same as a 520 but designed for the T-Mobile network.) I think it's a good starting smartphone, it has a (IMO) an easy to get into interface with basic functions generally easy to find. And it's a decent performing smartphone at a price low enough that you can experiment without investing a pile of cash.

Yes, you can download apps over Wifi. Just connect to the Wifi in the Settings>Wi-Fi menu and downloads will occur over Wifi.

Overall, if you get the phone and just want to play with it before picking a service plan, everything but text messages and phone calls should work fine with just Wifi. The phone will bug you occasionally about not having a SIM card, but it will work. I setup my mom's phone while waiting for T-Mobile to mail her a new SIM that way.
 

ImDonly1

Platinum Member
Dec 17, 2004
2,357
0
76
Can you recommend a few?

Assuming this is correct, a used iPhone 4 for $100 should work on PagePlus and might be a better option than the Nokia 520/521.

Navigon (Garmin), TomTom, etc...
The apps themselves can be $30-50.
Also the iPhone 4 probably is much laggier than a Lumia 521, it is outdated.

If he gets the Lumia 521, its $60 and maps included. Easy to use. Also t-mobile prepaid lycamobile does 2c/minute calls, which is cheaper than pageplus. The minutes don't expire as long as you use the phone once every so often. So technically, he can have a year of service for like $10-20 if he doesn't use the phone that much. Not sure on the details.

Look into what provider has coverage in your area before you buy.
 
Last edited:

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
40,462
9,964
136
Navigon (Garmin), TomTom, etc...
The apps themselves can be $30-50.
Also the iPhone 4 probably is much laggier than a Lumia 521, it is outdated.

If he gets the Lumia 521, its $60 and maps included. Easy to use. Also t-mobile prepaid lycamobile does 2c/minute calls, which is cheaper than pageplus. The minutes don't expire as long as you use the phone once every so often. So technically, he can have a year of service for like $10-20 if he doesn't use the phone that much. Not sure on the details.

Look into what provider has coverage in your area before you buy.
Thanks for this great information! Please excuse my naivety (I'm going to learn how to spell that eventually... :D ), but how can I determine which network gets better coverage in my area, T-Mobile or AT&T? I remember (it was around 10 years ago) getting a cell phone plan (my employer had provided me with a cell phone but later they changed their policy and made me buy the plan), and the carrier didn't have coverage at my house and I cancelled. Surely there are better ways to determine coverage than signing up and just experimenting!

You mention that the iPhone 4 is much laggier than the Lumia 521. Would this hold true for the Lumia 520 as well? Reading owner reviews, the absense of lagginess is one of the big pluses for the Lumia 520, that's the model I've been investigating, but discovered the 521 yesterday. A site appeared to indicate that there are a lot of differences between the 520 and 521, not just the fact that they are locked to different carriers. However, I'm not sure about the accuracy of the information. It was just a side by side comparison in a chart with checkmarks and X's. The info seems suspect to me because it had a checkmark next to the 520 for FM reception, and I saw an owner mention that it doesn't have FM reception.

Thanks, everyone, for your help here!

FYI, in case anyone can benefit, one concept I just had to look up was SIM cards. The contexts gave me clues, but I needed some serious info and this page seems to be very good: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-sim-card.htm
 
Last edited:

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
32,754
10,904
136
GPS with offline maps is possible on iphone with 3rd party apps

It's been available on every mobile OS going back to Windows mobile.

I'm always a bit surprised when people think it's an amazing new thing, it's the reason why I got into smartphones back when WM was big.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
40,462
9,964
136
It's been available on every mobile OS going back to Windows mobile.

I'm always a bit surprised when people think it's an amazing new thing, it's the reason why I got into smartphones back when WM was big.
I see mention that it's done (off line Sat Nav) on iOS by virtue of 3rd party apps ($30-$50). Is the app on the Nokia 520/521 free? I've seen no mention of buying an app for that in my researching the Lumias.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
40,462
9,964
136
I did searching on coverages in Berkeley, have read a few posts and clearly AT&T sucks. Sprint is the worst, I think they were the service I tried 10 years ago and cancelled immediately. Evidently Verizon is the best. I believe that's the carrier that I'm on right now by virtue of my PagePlusCellular pay-as-you-go account for my little dumb phone (have $60 credit). Hmm.

Wow, It looks like Verizon's the best bet in terms of a provider and I'm on their network now. I'm thinking if AT&T are so spotty, T-Mobile a big risk as well, why not just buy a Nokia Lumia 520 and don't bother getting a plan, just use it for Sat Nav (maybe I can download maps and whatever app I might need using my home wifi network), and continue using my dumb phone and cheap $30/year pay-as-you-go plan for the occasional cell phone call. Is that possible/reasonable? :confused:

Edit: Another question... just called my provider, PagePlusCellular. They can probably support a CDMA phone, in particular one that works with Verizon. The CSR I talked to said she's never heard of them being able to set up a Nokia phone to work in their system. Is there a cool smartphone that will do offline GPS that supports Verizon that's reasonable?
 
Last edited:

ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
19,688
2,811
126
I did searching on coverages in Berkeley, have read a few posts and clearly AT&T sucks. Sprint is the worst, I think they were the service I tried 10 years ago and cancelled immediately. Evidently Verizon is the best. I believe that's the carrier that I'm on right now by virtue of my PagePlusCellular pay-as-you-go account for my little dumb phone (have $60 credit). Hmm.

Wow, It looks like Verizon's the best bet in terms of a provider and I'm on their network now. I'm thinking if AT&T are so spotty, T-Mobile a big risk as well, why not just buy a Nokia Lumia 520 and don't bother getting a plan, just use it for Sat Nav (maybe I can download maps and whatever app I might need using my home wifi network), and continue using my dumb phone and cheap $30/year pay-as-you-go plan for the occasional cell phone call. Is that possible/reasonable? :confused:

Edit: Another question... just called my provider, PagePlusCellular. They can probably support a CDMA phone, in particular one that works with Verizon. The CSR I talked to said she's never heard of them being able to set up a Nokia phone to work in their system. Is there a cool smartphone that will do offline GPS that supports Verizon that's reasonable?

The reason I mentioned 520 rather than 521 in your other thread is because the AT&T 520 usually cheaper than the Tmobile 521. And since you use PagePlus which is Verizon CDMA, there's no point paying extra for Tmobile GSM band support. You can use the 520 as iPod touch like device without cell service. You can also use it on wifi. And it should work as standalone gps without data. My only concern is how fast/slow you'll get the initial GPS satellite lock without the help of the cell location data. If gps is your main use and concern, stick with standalone unit as it will probably lock faster and more reliably than Nokia 520 without data.

As for your second question about PagePlus compatible smartphone, I can't help you much since not that familiar with verizon phones. Your choice will be severely limited to 3G only phones as I don't think LTE phones are supported on pageplus.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
40,462
9,964
136
The reason I mentioned 520 rather than 521 in your other thread is because the AT&T 520 usually cheaper than the Tmobile 521. And since you use PagePlus which is Verizon CDMA, there's no point paying extra for Tmobile GSM band support. You can use the 520 as iPod touch like device without cell service. You can also use it on wifi. And it should work as standalone gps without data. My only concern is how fast/slow you'll get the initial GPS satellite lock without the help of the cell location data. If gps is your main use and concern, stick with standalone unit as it will probably lock faster and more reliably than Nokia 520 without data.

As for your second question about PagePlus compatible smartphone, I can't help you much since not that familiar with verizon phones. Your choice will be severely limited to 3G only phones as I don't think LTE phones are supported on pageplus.
Thanks, ponyo. So, by "standalone unit" I assume you mean a GPS, such as the Garmin Nuvi 2595LMTHD, which I received via UPS this morning. It is near me in its unopened box. ;)

So, you are saying that the Nokia 520 would be apt to only grab its positioning pretty slowly compared to the Garmin. The Garmin is reputed to sync quickly. Another plus for the Garmin, I suppose, is the likelihood that I will hear the voice commands more reliably than those I'd hear from the Nokia. I wouldn't know without personal experience, just thinking this based on a post or two I've read. My hearing isn't terrible, but not great either. I often have to say "what?" when others seem to pick up on conversations. I can't just say "what" to an electronic device and get a repeat, and even if I could when I'm 500' from my turn it would be not cool!

Maybe I'll just stick with the Garmin. However, I have to say that the idea of getting my first smartphone had me excited. I hope I do sometime soon. Maybe I'll just ditch my dumb phone sometime soon and get some kind of smartphone. It seems a shame that most of the wireless networks' coverage sucks around here, I wouldn't think so in a region like this. Maybe I'll look for something on Verizon (I guess I'm kind of spoiled because I've enjoyed very good coverage via Verizon on my dumb phone for about a decade). I guess that would be Android, maybe iOS, I'll have to check it out. Actually, I did some searching and came upon info about the Nokia 928. The CSR I talked to this morning for Pagepluscellular said she'd never heard of a Nokia phone on their system, but the Nokia 928 is Verizon, it seems. At Amazon they are sold with service plans, but one there without a service plan is selling for $550! :eek:
 
Last edited:

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
32,754
10,904
136
I see mention that it's done (off line Sat Nav) on iOS by virtue of 3rd party apps ($30-$50). Is the app on the Nokia 520/521 free? I've seen no mention of buying an app for that in my researching the Lumias.

I don't have a Lumia but I understand that they come with Nokias off line nav, which is supposed to be pretty good.
 

thedosbox

Senior member
Oct 16, 2009
961
0
0
It's been available on every mobile OS going back to Windows mobile.

I'm always a bit surprised when people think it's an amazing new thing, it's the reason why I got into smartphones back when WM was big.

With the help of third-party apps? Sure. Built in to the native mapping application? I know my old Symbian running E71 had it, but thought it wasn't available on Android until a year or two ago? Even now, I believe there's limited offline support.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
32,754
10,904
136
With the help of third-party apps? Sure. Built in to the native mapping application? I know my old Symbian running E71 had it, but thought it wasn't available on Android until a year or two ago? Even now, I believe there's limited offline support.

Does it matter if it's a third party app? That's the whole point of smartphones. To install the software you want on them.
Android has had off line mapping apps from the beginning (pretty much). WM has had them from way back, some WM phones came with TomTom pre installed. I'm not big on what's available on iOS but I know they have had at least TomTom for ages.
 

thedosbox

Senior member
Oct 16, 2009
961
0
0
There are free third party off line apps.

That don't require users to purchase maps beyond whatever they initially get? Because Nokia used to offer the ability to download any maps for free. Though whether the phone could hold them all was another matter ;)

[edit] of course, a quick search shows there are, even if they do use someone else's map data.
 
Last edited:

RossMAN

Grand Nagus
Feb 24, 2000
78,942
403
136
So, you are saying that the Nokia 520 would be apt do only grab its positioning pretty slowly compared to the Garmin. The Garmin is reputed to sync quickly. Another plus for the Garmin, I suppose, is the likelihood that I will hear the voice commands more reliably than those I'd hear from the Nokia. I wouldn't know without personal experience, just thinking this based on a post or two I've read. My hearing isn't terrible, but not great either. I often have to say "what?" when others seem to pick up on conversations. I can't just say "what" to an electronic device and get a repeat, and even if I could when I'm 500' from my turn it would be not cool!

Maybe I'll just stick with the Garmin. However, I have to say that the idea of getting my first smartphone had me excited. I hope I do sometime soon. Maybe I'll just ditch my dumb phone sometime soon and get some kind of smartphone. It seems a shame that most of the wireless networks' coverage sucks around here, I wouldn't think so in a region like this. Maybe I'll look for something on Verizon (I guess I'm kind of spoiled because I've enjoyed very good coverage via Verizon on my dumb phone for about a decade). I guess that would be Android, maybe iOS, I'll have to check it out. Actually, I did some searching and came upon info about the Nokia 928. The CSR I talked to this morning for Pagepluscellular said she'd never heard of a Nokia phone on their system, but the Nokia 928 is Verizon, it seems. At Amazon they are sold with service plans, but one there without a service plan is selling for $550! :eek:

I just so happen to own an iPhone 4 (Verizon/PagePlus), Nokia 521 and Garmin nuvi 2595 LMT among other gadgets. If you're not in a rush to open your Garmin, I'd be happy to video record a Nokia 521 vs Garmin 2595 quick comparison but I won't have time until this weekend.