Intolerance is drowned out by a standing ovation

[DealMonkey]

Okay, fair enough S, I apologize for my mis-characterization of you.

That said, you seem to be focusing in on the "effectiveness of protest." While that's not a bad thing to be concerned about, you keep avoiding my point that many of the more effective means of protesting the administration are cut short when anyone attempting such a thing is subject to immediate expulsion from the event and/or arrest. While previous administrations have made efforts to limit disruptive protestors, the Bush administration has taken things to vastly higher levels. If you want to protest them in person (and many people do - feeling that has the most impact) turning your back on them seems to be the only method left.

I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing reports that individuals turning their back are being bounced as well. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

 

[martinez]

"People have the right to protest, but I hope when they protest they realize also that people now have a right to protest in Baghdad and Kabul, and that's a very big breakthrough for the international community," Rice said Monday before the BC commencement. "

Oh really, how incredibly simplified, this must be diplospeak for "we have the Afghan and Iraqi governments under control now".

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Aelius
Here is your standing ovation.

/thread

For invoking Godwin's Law?


"To those who have not forgiven me for wiping out the Marxist party, I tell you... that I have wiped out all the other parties as well." -- Adolf Hitler, 1933.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand... It will become all one thing, or all the other." -- Abraham Lincoln, 1858

"The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty." -- George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796


The only winners of partisan politics are tyrants. Those who blindly follow partisan politics are fools and puppets.

and what about those that do nothing? what are they?

Text

Politics is not a question of blindly following one of the 2 major parties or "doing nothing." That anyone might think so would, to me, only represent the severity of their brainwashing.

 

[Shuxclams]

Originally posted by: zendari
Liberals showing their true colors and hatred.

Yeah! they hate White men and Black women, but White women and black men we do like, I have this video where this black guy has a huge dick and is tearing up this white bitch real good.... man I love that......





Your a tard.....





SHUX

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Shuxclams
Your a tard.....

:laugh:



Sorry... had to laugh.

 

[Starbuck1975]

While that's not a bad thing to be concerned about, you keep avoiding my point that many of the more effective means of protesting the administration are cut short when anyone attempting such a thing is subject to immediate expulsion from the event and/or arrest. While previous administrations have made efforts to limit disruptive protestors, the Bush administration has taken things to vastly higher levels. If you want to protest them in person (and many people do - feeling that has the most impact) turning your back on them seems to be the only method left.

I think where we are in disagreement is that you attribute this dynamic to the Bush Administration, when both parties are guilty of censoring those who would protest their little gatherings.

I lived in Boston during the 2004 election, within walking distance of the Fleet Center...I saw what happened to DNC protestors, and it mirrors your complaints against the Bush Administration...to summarize, DNC protestors were essentially contained within a mud and puddle filled "protest zone" that was in the middle of the Big Dig construction zone and underneath the skeletal steel and concrete remains of I-93...delegates to the DNC were carefully sheltered from the protestors, and security prevented anyone from getting wtihin shouting distance of the entrance...I disagree that the Bush Administration has taken things to higher levels in this regard...it just gets more visibility because the nature of this Administration is such that it motivates more people to protest, and hence there are more reports of people having limitations placed on their rights to assemble...but I can assure you that these limitations and constraints have been the status quo in America for some time, particularly when it comes to our political parties.

 

[Hlafordlaes]

[Hello, my first post on AnandTech, and it ain't a support question!]

My take is thank goodness there are people at that age who still have some semblance of a political conscience, whether I agree with them or not. And if you want decore, a college campus is not the place to start looking. Rude? Sure. Inappropriate given the speaker represents a highly polemic administration that has a firewall up against public interaction? Hardly.

But the repeated posts to the effect of "mind your manners, so-and-so is speaking" sound too much like another widespread phenomenon: the "regal"-ization of the Bush White House. On Fox News, the comments are so deferential I have to remind myself they are not broadcasting from North Korea, for crying out loud.

As others have posted before, this administration is so isolated that I am surprised they don't have cabin fever.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Aelius
Here is your standing ovation.

/thread

For invoking Godwin's Law?


"To those who have not forgiven me for wiping out the Marxist party, I tell you... that I have wiped out all the other parties as well." -- Adolf Hitler, 1933.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand... It will become all one thing, or all the other." -- Abraham Lincoln, 1858

"The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty." -- George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796


The only winners of partisan politics are tyrants. Those who blindly follow partisan politics are fools and puppets.

and what about those that do nothing? what are they?

Text

Politics is not a question of blindly following one of the 2 major parties or "doing nothing." That anyone might think so would, to me, only represent the severity of their brainwashing.

Then you do not understand the reality of America where two parties do in fact rule.

OR

You can try and throw your weight behind a third party, good luck with that. Whether you believe it or not, there are thinking people on both sides. And whether or not you subscribe to the reality that we all live in, one of these two parties will always be in power.

You generalize, not all of use are brainwashed. Some of us actually try and make the system work.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: OrByte
Then you do not understand the reality of America where two parties do in fact rule.

OR

You can try and throw your weight behind a third party, good luck with that. Whether you believe it or not, there are thinking people on both sides. And whether or not you subscribe to the reality that we all live in, one of these two parties will always be in power.

You generalize, not all of use are brainwashed. Some of us actually try and make the system work.

The "system" is everyone jumping off a cliff because everyone is doing it and it's the cool thing to do and we have to protect ourselves from everyone who is jumping off the cliff by doing the same thing too and hey what's wrong with you that you aren't jumping too?

In other words, the 2 parties rule because (and only because) the people give them the power to do so. To call that "reality" is disingenious in the extreme.

However, you mischaracterize me. I was not talking about voting for one party or another as the lesser of 2 evils. I was talking about actually believing in either of the 2 parties.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: OrByte
Then you do not understand the reality of America where two parties do in fact rule.

OR

You can try and throw your weight behind a third party, good luck with that. Whether you believe it or not, there are thinking people on both sides. And whether or not you subscribe to the reality that we all live in, one of these two parties will always be in power.

You generalize, not all of use are brainwashed. Some of us actually try and make the system work.

The "system" is everyone jumping off a cliff because everyone is doing it and it's the cool thing to do and we have to protect ourselves from everyone who is jumping off the cliff by doing the same thing too and hey what's wrong with you that you aren't jumping too?

In other words, the 2 parties rule because (and only because) the people give them the power to do so. To call that "reality" is disingenious in the extreme.

However, you mischaracterize me. I was not talking about voting for one party or another as the lesser of 2 evils. I was talking about actually believing in either of the 2 parties.

whenever you get a new legitimate party up and running sign me up, im there!

 

[DealMonkey]

Yeah me too. I'd love to vote for the Green Party or an Independent that has a shot at winning. Hell, I'd write in "Keith Richards" if you told me we'd have serious change for the better in Washington.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: cliftonite

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: moshquerade


When did it become so popular to turn your back on someone with whom you may not agree with on the issues instead of hearing them out? The truth is, intolerance won't serve the liberal cause.

I beleive that the intolerance and rudeness presedence was set when the GOP members of the House & Senate refused to stand up for,
or to applaud, during President Clinton's State of the Union Speech when the GOP was pushing so hard for impeachment.

Intolerance only works for the Republican's Conservative agenda - is that a fact ?

I wonder what the ops stance on this is?

my stance is they didn't stand up and turn their backs on Clinton nor shout out while he spoke. if these students and faculty who did not agree with these speakers i've cited just sat down and didn't applaud i would have no problem with that.

Oh you mean like the delagates during the 2000 election who turned their backs on gay GOP speakers in the Republican convetion ?

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: OrByte
Then you do not understand the reality of America where two parties do in fact rule.

OR

You can try and throw your weight behind a third party, good luck with that. Whether you believe it or not, there are thinking people on both sides. And whether or not you subscribe to the reality that we all live in, one of these two parties will always be in power.

You generalize, not all of use are brainwashed. Some of us actually try and make the system work.

The "system" is everyone jumping off a cliff because everyone is doing it and it's the cool thing to do and we have to protect ourselves from everyone who is jumping off the cliff by doing the same thing too and hey what's wrong with you that you aren't jumping too?

In other words, the 2 parties rule because (and only because) the people give them the power to do so. To call that "reality" is disingenious in the extreme.

However, you mischaracterize me. I was not talking about voting for one party or another as the lesser of 2 evils. I was talking about actually believing in either of the 2 parties.

whenever you get a new legitimate party up and running sign me up, im there!

Look up the LP (Libertarian Party).

It is the 3rd largest party in the US behind the Reps and Dems and it's larger then all other 3rd parties combined. They might be what you are looking for.

linky

EDIT: Vote with your principles. Not with whom you think will likely win.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: zendari
Liberals showing their true colors and hatred.

A silent protest is 'hatred' to you? Damn, no wonder you conservative nutjobs are so violent.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: cliftonite

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: moshquerade


When did it become so popular to turn your back on someone with whom you may not agree with on the issues instead of hearing them out? The truth is, intolerance won't serve the liberal cause.

I beleive that the intolerance and rudeness presedence was set when the GOP members of the House & Senate refused to stand up for,
or to applaud, during President Clinton's State of the Union Speech when the GOP was pushing so hard for impeachment.

Intolerance only works for the Republican's Conservative agenda - is that a fact ?

I wonder what the ops stance on this is?

my stance is they didn't stand up and turn their backs on Clinton nor shout out while he spoke. if these students and faculty who did not agree with these speakers i've cited just sat down and didn't applaud i would have no problem with that.

LOL semantics. It would be kinda difficult to stand up and turn your back with the way those seats are arranged.

Seriously, your hypocricy is so transparent.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
When did it become so popular to turn your back on someone with whom you may not agree with on the issues instead of hearing them out? The truth is, intolerance won't serve the liberal cause.

These people lied us into a war, and they STILL deserve universal respect? Your obvious political bent aside mosh, this is a consitutional republic, not a monarchy.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: cliftonite

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: moshquerade


When did it become so popular to turn your back on someone with whom you may not agree with on the issues instead of hearing them out? The truth is, intolerance won't serve the liberal cause.

I beleive that the intolerance and rudeness presedence was set when the GOP members of the House & Senate refused to stand up for,
or to applaud, during President Clinton's State of the Union Speech when the GOP was pushing so hard for impeachment.

Intolerance only works for the Republican's Conservative agenda - is that a fact ?

I wonder what the ops stance on this is?

my stance is they didn't stand up and turn their backs on Clinton nor shout out while he spoke. if these students and faculty who did not agree with these speakers i've cited just sat down and didn't applaud i would have no problem with that.

Oh you mean like the delagates during the 2000 election who turned their backs on gay GOP speakers in the Republican convetion ?

if they actually physically did that i would view that in the same light.

did that actually happen?

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: cliftonite

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: moshquerade


When did it become so popular to turn your back on someone with whom you may not agree with on the issues instead of hearing them out? The truth is, intolerance won't serve the liberal cause.

I beleive that the intolerance and rudeness presedence was set when the GOP members of the House & Senate refused to stand up for,
or to applaud, during President Clinton's State of the Union Speech when the GOP was pushing so hard for impeachment.

Intolerance only works for the Republican's Conservative agenda - is that a fact ?

I wonder what the ops stance on this is?

my stance is they didn't stand up and turn their backs on Clinton nor shout out while he spoke. if these students and faculty who did not agree with these speakers i've cited just sat down and didn't applaud i would have no problem with that.

LOL semantics. It would be kinda difficult to stand up and turn your back with the way those seats are arranged.

Seriously, your hypocricy is so transparent.

your ad hominen attacks are tiring.

i have stated my opinion on the situation. there is no hypocricy. don't turn your back on opinions that may not be of your own.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: moshquerade
When did it become so popular to turn your back on someone with whom you may not agree with on the issues instead of hearing them out? The truth is, intolerance won't serve the liberal cause.

These people lied us into a war, and they STILL deserve universal respect? Your obvious political bent aside mosh, this is a consitutional republic, not a monarchy.

how many times do i have to say before you comprehend that i am NOT against protesting?

i am against the intolerance displayed here.

 

[HBalzer]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: moshquerade
When did it become so popular to turn your back on someone with whom you may not agree with on the issues instead of hearing them out? The truth is, intolerance won't serve the liberal cause.

These people lied us into a war, and they STILL deserve universal respect? Your obvious political bent aside mosh, this is a consitutional republic, not a monarchy.

Never knew common courtesy does not exist in a constitutional republic.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: moshquerade
When did it become so popular to turn your back on someone with whom you may not agree with on the issues instead of hearing them out? The truth is, intolerance won't serve the liberal cause.

These people lied us into a war, and they STILL deserve universal respect? Your obvious political bent aside mosh, this is a consitutional republic, not a monarchy.

how many times do i have to say before you comprehend that i am NOT against protesting?

i am against the intolerance displayed here.

I don't hang on your every word, dude. I have no idea how many times you've said anything. Put that ego on idle, please.

I find it interesting that you can't abide what you see as "intolerance" when the entire exercise was about protest. It's all about characterization, yes? SOS Rice, and the Bush regime in general, are far too used to controlling the atmosphere. Considering what they've done, and continue to do, they should face MOTS, at every turn. Some of us may have forgotten this, but we aren't serfs. We can act-up anytime we want. All the better when there's an obvious reason to do so.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: moshquerade
When did it become so popular to turn your back on someone with whom you may not agree with on the issues instead of hearing them out? The truth is, intolerance won't serve the liberal cause.

These people lied us into a war, and they STILL deserve universal respect? Your obvious political bent aside mosh, this is a consitutional republic, not a monarchy.

Never knew common courtesy does not exist in a constitutional republic.

You teach a class in the fine art of overtly missing the point, right? I'd be willing to bet that you extend your pinky into the air as you drink your morning tea as well. :laugh:

 

[HBalzer]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: moshquerade
When did it become so popular to turn your back on someone with whom you may not agree with on the issues instead of hearing them out? The truth is, intolerance won't serve the liberal cause.

These people lied us into a war, and they STILL deserve universal respect? Your obvious political bent aside mosh, this is a consitutional republic, not a monarchy.

Never knew common courtesy does not exist in a constitutional republic.

You teach a class in the fine art of overtly missing the point, right? I'd be willing to bet that you extend your pinky into the air as you drink your morning tea as well. :laugh:

Mosh's point or your point? For i think it is you who has missed the original point.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: moshquerade
When did it become so popular to turn your back on someone with whom you may not agree with on the issues instead of hearing them out? The truth is, intolerance won't serve the liberal cause.

These people lied us into a war, and they STILL deserve universal respect? Your obvious political bent aside mosh, this is a consitutional republic, not a monarchy.

Never knew common courtesy does not exist in a constitutional republic.

You teach a class in the fine art of overtly missing the point, right? I'd be willing to bet that you extend your pinky into the air as you drink your morning tea as well. :laugh:

Mosh's point or your point? For i think it is you who has missed the original point.

Figure it out or let it pass. I'm not going to waste my time spoon-feeding you.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: moshquerade
When did it become so popular to turn your back on someone with whom you may not agree with on the issues instead of hearing them out? The truth is, intolerance won't serve the liberal cause.

These people lied us into a war, and they STILL deserve universal respect? Your obvious political bent aside mosh, this is a consitutional republic, not a monarchy.

Never knew common courtesy does not exist in a constitutional republic.

You teach a class in the fine art of overtly missing the point, right? I'd be willing to bet that you extend your pinky into the air as you drink your morning tea as well. :laugh:

Mosh's point or your point? For i think it is you who has missed the original point.

Figure it out or let it pass. I'm not going to waste my time spoon-feeding you.

you really aren't adding anything to this thread, but trying to flame people.
move on.