Intolerance is drowned out by a standing ovation

moshquerade

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When did it become so popular to turn your back on someone with whom you may not agree with on the issues instead of hearing them out? The truth is, intolerance won't serve the liberal cause.


Protests, Applause Greet Rice at BC
The Associated Press

BOSTON ? A few students turned their backs but more stood to applaud as Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice received an honorary degree and addressed graduates at Boston College on Monday.

After weeks of turmoil and anti-war protests over Rice's invitation to address the Catholic school, Rice told graduates that their education comes with responsibilities.

She drew scattered applause when she discussed what she called a "commitment to reason," or an obligation to test and challenge their own views.

"There is nothing wrong with holding an opinion and holding it passionately," Rice said, "but at those times when you are absolutely sure you're right, go find someone who disagrees."

About 50 students stood with their backs toward the stage as Rice was introduced to give her commencement speech, but they were quickly drowned out by a standing ovation.

A half-dozen signs that said "Not in my name" were held in the air by students, who sat down by the time Rice started to speak. One banner that said "BC honors lies and torture" was held on the side of the stadium, away from where the students were sitting.

Other students cheered Rice, and an Internet broadcast of the ceremony included a shot of a student, talking on his cell phone, with an "I Like Condi" button pinned to his graduation cap.

Earlier Monday, Rice said she understands why students and faculty planned to protest, and she embraced their right to object even as she defended the war in Iraq.

"People have the right to protest, but I hope when they protest they realize also that people now have a right to protest in Baghdad and Kabul, and that's a very big breakthrough for the international community," Rice said Monday before the BC commencement.

"I think it's just fine for people to protest as long as they do so in a way that doesn't try to have a monopoly on the conversation," Rice told WBZ-AM in an interview. "Others have right to say what they think as well."

Ever since Boston College announced earlier this month that Rice would speak at the school's graduation and receive an honorary degree, reaction has ranged from outrage to enthusiasm.

"We are very concerned as Catholics that Boston College has invited Condoleezza Rice, who is an architect of this foreign policy and war. ... That is hardly something to honor," said Brayton Shanley, a BC alumnus and co-founder of Agape, a lay Catholic organization that has been working with students to organize the protests.

At the ceremony Monday, demonstrators planned to wear black armbands and turn their backs when Rice is awarded an honorary law degree. Students also will hand out leaflets and stickers with messages, including "Not in my name" and "No honorary degree."

University spokesman Jack Dunn told the student newspaper, The Heights, that all have agreed to keep their protests respectful and not disrupt the ceremonies.

University officials also expect protests off-campus.

A letter written by two theology professors, and signed by more than 10 percent of the faculty, kicked off the opposition to Rice.

"On the levels of both moral principle and practical moral judgment, Secretary Rice's approach to international affairs is in fundamental conflict with Boston College's commitment to the values of the Catholic and Jesuit traditions and is inconsistent with the humanistic values that inspire the university's work," the letter said.

The Rev. David Hollenbach, one of the letter writers, has said he has no objection to Rice speaking, but said she doesn't deserve an honorary degree.

Steve Almond, an adjunct writing professor, resigned from his post over the matter.

"I think Americans have lost sight of the idea of sacrifice," he said. "This is a relatively small sacrifice for me."

Rice said the use of force in Iraq was "the right thing."

"I'm not surprised that there was controversy, but my understanding is that there are views on both sides of the issue," she said Sunday at meeting with a small group of reporters.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/politics/3879690.html
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This same scenerio met Sen. John McCain last week when was asked to be the New School commencement speaker.

NEW YORK -- Arizona Sen. John McCain received a cantankerous reception during his appearance at the New School commencement Friday, where dozens of faculty members and students turned their backs and raised signs in protest and a distinguished student speaker pointedly mocked him as he sat silently nearby.

A few students yelled catcalls at McCain, saying things like "full of it," and "We're graduating, not voting."
http://www.wnbc.com/politics/9243568/detail.html

Where is the line between peacefully protesting and then blantant intolerance, close-mindedness and disrespect drawn? I would say in both instances presented here the line was crossed.
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: moshquerade


When did it become so popular to turn your back on someone with whom you may not agree with on the issues instead of hearing them out? The truth is, intolerance won't serve the liberal cause.

I beleive that the intolerance and rudeness presedence was set when the GOP members of the House & Senate refused to stand up for,
or to applaud, during President Clinton's State of the Union Speech when the GOP was pushing so hard for impeachment.

Intolerance only works for the Republican's Conservative agenda - is that a fact ?
 

phantom309

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If more people were "intolerant" toward incompetence and arrogance, it'd be a better world.
 

techs

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Perfectly appropriate when you ask a political person to speak.
In fact I applaud the manner in which it was done. Not by disrupting the ceremony.
And most of the people who did it cited their RELIGIOUS beliefs as the reason.
Nice to see young people expressing their values in an appropriate manner.
:thumbsup:
 

cliftonite

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: moshquerade


When did it become so popular to turn your back on someone with whom you may not agree with on the issues instead of hearing them out? The truth is, intolerance won't serve the liberal cause.

I beleive that the intolerance and rudeness presedence was set when the GOP members of the House & Senate refused to stand up for,
or to applaud, during President Clinton's State of the Union Speech when the GOP was pushing so hard for impeachment.

Intolerance only works for the Republican's Conservative agenda - is that a fact ?


I wonder what the ops stance on this is?
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: techs
Perfectly appropriate when you ask a political person to speak.
In fact I applaud the manner in which it was done. Not by disrupting the ceremony.
And most of the people who did it cited their RELIGIOUS beliefs as the reason.
Nice to see young people expressing their values in an appropriate manner.
:thumbsup:
please read the articles posted. it was not only "young people", but faculty also.
you are incorrect as shouting out and standing with your back towards the speaker does disrupt the ceremony.

as i've said, protesting is fine, but when you cannot listen to someone who's view may not be the same as yours then... you are intolerant. i see no reason to applaud the manner in which they did this. it was inappropriate.

 

Tom

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Intolerance ? How was this political act, intolerance ? Disagreement, yes, but is there something wrong with disagreeing in the USA these days ?

The point of a political demonstration is to draw attention to one's position or disagreement with someone else's position. That's the way things are supposed to work.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: cliftonite
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: moshquerade


When did it become so popular to turn your back on someone with whom you may not agree with on the issues instead of hearing them out? The truth is, intolerance won't serve the liberal cause.

I beleive that the intolerance and rudeness presedence was set when the GOP members of the House & Senate refused to stand up for,
or to applaud, during President Clinton's State of the Union Speech when the GOP was pushing so hard for impeachment.

Intolerance only works for the Republican's Conservative agenda - is that a fact ?


I wonder what the ops stance on this is?

my stance is they didn't stand up and turn their backs on Clinton nor shout out while he spoke. if these students and faculty who did not agree with these speakers i've cited just sat down and didn't applaud i would have no problem with that.

 

Genx87

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I get a vision of small children putting their hands over their ears and stomping the ground.

 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Tom
Intolerance ? How was this political act, intolerance ? Disagreement, yes, but is there something wrong with disagreeing in the USA these days ?

The point of a political demonstration is to draw attention to one's position or disagreement with someone else's position. That's the way things are supposed to work.
i will repeat for the third time, i am not against peaceful protesting. i am stressing the disrespect and unneccessity of shouting out, "you are full of it" or standing with your back to someone as if you cannot listen to anyone who you might not share a view with.

please leave your spin at the door.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
BOSTON ? A few students turned their backs...
Since when is silent, non-disruptive action an inappropriate way to express an opinion in public? I think it's a legitimate form of protest for a public figure.
Originally posted by: zendari
Liberals showing their true colors and hatred.
Once again, zendari displays his petty bias and profound ignorance. :p
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: moshquerade
BOSTON ? A few students turned their backs...
Since when is silent, non-disruptive action an inappropriate way to express an opinion in public? I think it's a legitimate form of protest for a public figure.

i began this by saying it showed a form of intolerance, and i maintain that it does.
plain and simple, these students and faculty members were showing with their backs turned that they are unwillinging to recognize and respect differences in opinions or beliefs.
Originally posted by: zendari
Liberals showing their true colors and hatred.
Once again, zendari displays his petty bias and profound ignorance. :p[/quote]
one could say the door swings both ways on that one. :p

 

OrByte

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typical partisan dribble.

The college kids wanted wanted to make a political point and they did so peacefully. Just be thankful we can still do that in America.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: OrByte
The college kids wanted wanted to make a political point and they did so peacefully. Just be thankful we can still do that in America.
Exactly! :thumbsup:
 

Tom

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Tom
Intolerance ? How was this political act, intolerance ? Disagreement, yes, but is there something wrong with disagreeing in the USA these days ?

The point of a political demonstration is to draw attention to one's position or disagreement with someone Else's position. That's the way things are supposed to work.
i will repeat for the third time, i am not against peaceful protesting. i am stressing the disrespect and unnecessity of shouting out, "you are full of it" or standing with your back to someone as if you cannot listen to anyone who you might not share a view with.

please leave your spin at the door.


Spin ? WTH are you talking about ? I am not spinning any more than you are, by using a word like "intolerance" to describe this.

You say you are not against peaceful protesting, well, I can't think of any kind of protest that would be more peaceful than turning your back on someone. If government officials interacted with the public in a freer and more frequent way, and this kind of protest happened all the time, to the point of preventing the government from giving it's position, then I might see your point as more valid, as far as the shouting. But the way things are, there aren't many opportunities for citizens who disagree with the government, to express that disagreement in a public fashion.

BTW, I type very slowly, so my post was written prior to your intervening "3rd time" posts, and by the time I post this, you may have posted even more times..:)
 

Martin

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: moshquerade
BOSTON ? A few students turned their backs...
Since when is silent, non-disruptive action an inappropriate way to express an opinion in public? I think it's a legitimate form of protest for a public figure.

i began this by saying it showed a form of intolerance, and i maintain that it does.
plain and simple, these students and faculty members were showing with their backs turned that they are unwillinging to recognize and respect differences in opinions or beliefs.

No, you whiney melodramatic conservatives just like to co-opt phrases to try and give yourselves more weight. Here, a simple act of disagreement (no, these poeple didn't just invent the notion of standing up with your back to the speaker, and they didn't even heckle her!) suddenly becomes "intolerance". Please, save us the drama...
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
i began this by saying it showed a form of intolerance, and i maintain that it does.
plain and simple, these students and faculty members were showing with their backs turned that they are unwillinging to recognize and respect differences in opinions or beliefs.
I agree with the students. The only way I'd have ever respected Consdescentia Rice was if she stuck with playing the piano. As Secretary of State, she's just another chickenhawk neocon mouthpiece.

My compliments to the students who had the courage to express their peaceful protest. :thumbsup: :cool:

I'll save my total disgust and lack of respect for those who would put them down for peacefully exercising their rights to freedom of expression as American citizens. :thumbsdown: :frown:
 

cliftonite

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Tom
Intolerance ? How was this political act, intolerance ? Disagreement, yes, but is there something wrong with disagreeing in the USA these days ?

The point of a political demonstration is to draw attention to one's position or disagreement with someone else's position. That's the way things are supposed to work.
i will repeat for the third time, i am not against peaceful protesting. i am stressing the disrespect and unneccessity of shouting out, "you are full of it" or standing with your back to someone as if you cannot listen to anyone who you might not share a view with.

please leave your spin at the door.



Please you are the one who put the spin on it by saying "The truth is, intolerance won't serve the liberal cause. " Like no one else does these things. :roll:
 

HBalzer

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Originally posted by: cliftonite
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Tom
Intolerance ? How was this political act, intolerance ? Disagreement, yes, but is there something wrong with disagreeing in the USA these days ?

The point of a political demonstration is to draw attention to one's position or disagreement with someone else's position. That's the way things are supposed to work.
i will repeat for the third time, i am not against peaceful protesting. i am stressing the disrespect and unneccessity of shouting out, "you are full of it" or standing with your back to someone as if you cannot listen to anyone who you might not share a view with.

please leave your spin at the door.



Please you are the one who put the spin on it by saying "The truth is, intolerance won't serve the liberal cause. " Like no one else does these things. :roll:

Do they? Generally I only hear about Democrats doing it. A major reason I have a general distaste for Dems is that it seems they are always the ones like the ignorant red neck after a tornado saying stupid things for the world to see. It runs rampant on this forum.
 

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: techs
Perfectly appropriate when you ask a political person to speak.
In fact I applaud the manner in which it was done. Not by disrupting the ceremony.
And most of the people who did it cited their RELIGIOUS beliefs as the reason.
Nice to see young people expressing their values in an appropriate manner.
:thumbsup:
please read the articles posted. it was not only "young people", but faculty also.
you are incorrect as shouting out and standing with your back towards the speaker does disrupt the ceremony.

as i've said, protesting is fine, but when you cannot listen to someone who's view may not be the same as yours then... you are intolerant. i see no reason to applaud the manner in which they did this. it was inappropriate.

So we can listen. . .fine. But when we ask the true, hard questions for this administration to answer, they do not answer them. Why bother listening to a blabering liar?
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: HBalzer


Do they? Generally I only hear about Democrats doing it. A major reason I have a general distaste for Dems is that it seems they are always the ones like the ignorant red neck after a tornado saying stupid things for the world to see. It runs rampant on this forum.

You mean the same red neck buffons who voted for Bush ?

 

HBalzer

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: HBalzer


Do they? Generally I only hear about Democrats doing it. A major reason I have a general distaste for Dems is that it seems they are always the ones like the ignorant red neck after a tornado saying stupid things for the world to see. It runs rampant on this forum.

You mean the same red neck buffons who voted for Bush ?

It is one f'd up world we live in!
 

CrackRabbit

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"There is nothing wrong with holding an opinion and holding it passionately," Rice said, "but at those times when you are absolutely sure you're right, go find someone who disagrees."

I think this administration would do alot better if they followed Condi's advice...