Interstellar

[CZroe]

Welp I disagree I think they should have cut all that Matt Damon stuff out and also I don't agree with Zimmer is a genius, he is talented but most importantly extremely wealthy which is why he's able to afford a team of sound designers and composers who do the majority of the bulk work for him and yeah the organ was cool, a big feature of Zimmer's productions is using intruments only obtainable by the super rich.

You do realize that "composers" are called "composers" because they assemble and direct the talents of others into a complete piece, right? No composer performs every aspect of their composition. He's an excellent composer.

 

[futurefields]

You do realize that "composers" are called "composers" because they assemble and direct the talents of others into a complete piece, right? No composer performs every aspect of their composition. He's an excellent composer.

No, I mean he literally has people writing this music for him.

Zimmer himself acts as more of a producer/editor. He is like Dr. Dre after The Chronic 1992. Great beats but we know he didn't make them.

 

[CZroe]

No, I mean he literally has people writing this music for him.



Zimmer himself acts as more of a producer/editor. He is like Dr. Dre after The Chronic 1992. Great beats but we know he didn't make them.

In the Interstellar documentary I see him making requests and suggestions and asking to hear them to make further requests and suggestions. This goes right down to the specific sounds, not just the notes and music.

He does this right there with the directors that he works with. If they didn't think he was pulling his weight then he wouldn't continue to have work.

The same documentary clearly shows his studio and shows him working on new material in said studio.

 

[Eug]

Finally got to see this movie (Netflix).

The plot does not make much sense, yet ironically a few things were still predictable. And yeah, the science was extremely wonky, like a dumbed down cheesy B sci-fi flick.

That said, the main cast acted well and the visuals were stunning.

So despite the fact that it didn't make much sense, overall I still enjoyed it enough to justify using those 3 hours. It won't be a movie I'll buy for my collection though.

 

[CZroe]

Finally got to see this movie (Netflix).



The plot does not make much sense, yet ironically a few things were still predictable. And yeah, the science was extremely wonky, like a dumbed down cheesy B sci-fi flick.



That said, the main cast acted well and the visuals were stunning.



So despite the fact that it didn't make much sense, overall I still enjoyed it enough to justify using those 3 hours. It won't be a movie I'll buy for my collection though.

While there certainly was some "wonky science," most of the people who say this pick the wrong aspects to pick apart. What seemed "wonky" to you?

 

[Eug]

Various aspects of time dilation, small ships escaping the gravity well, among other things. But that didn't really bother me as much as the plot overall.

It was the whole

Spoiler

Cooper is the ghost cuz love conquers all

thing that was the biggest letdown, yet one that I eventually predicted. I spent the better part of the last third of the movie hoping this wouldn't be the case.

If it wasn't for this I would have enjoyed the movie much more. Sort of was like a Hallmark plot device tacked onto a $165 million sci-fi blockbuster. I can suspend belief like everyone else, but schlock like this in a movie really kills the feel.

 

[Jeff7]

Various aspects of time dilation, small ships escaping the gravity well, among other things. But that didn't really bother me as much as the plot overall.

It was the whole

Spoiler

Cooper is the ghost cuz love conquers all

thing that was the biggest letdown, yet one that I eventually predicted. I spent the better part of the last third of the movie hoping this wouldn't be the case.

If it wasn't for this I would have enjoyed the movie much more. Sort of was like a Hallmark plot device tacked onto a $165 million sci-fi blockbuster. I can suspend belief like everyone else, but schlock like this in a movie really kills the feel.

Spoiler

Falling into a black hole without being torn apart and converted into a brief puff of plasma and x-rays

also seemed a bit odd.


I was glad that they didn't fall back on the old "let's include an evil robot" trope.



Other weird scriptwriting: When they go down to the planet with the time differential and really need to hurry up, why not

Spoiler

send out the robot that has a sophisticated sensor suite and can move very quickly in shallow water?

 

[CZroe]

Various aspects of time dilation, small ships escaping the gravity well, among other things. But that didn't really bother me as much as the plot overall.



It was the whole

Spoiler

Cooper is the ghost cuz love conquers all

thing that was the biggest letdown, yet one that I eventually predicted. I spent the better part of the last third of the movie hoping this wouldn't be the case.



If it wasn't for this I would have enjoyed the movie much more. Sort of was like a Hallmark plot device tacked onto a $165 million sci-fi blockbuster. I can suspend belief like everyone else, but schlock like this in a movie really kills the feel.

Yeah. I thought it strange that they needed a Saturn V-class multi-stage rocket to get the crew from Earth to their ships already waiting in space but they could go down to the surface and back willy-nilly on ~1G planets in another galaxy.

Spoiler

Falling into a black hole without being torn apart and converted into a brief puff of plasma and x-rays

also seemed a bit odd.


I was glad that they didn't fall back on the old "let's include an evil robot" trope.

Well, a robot DID blow up Romily. :hmm:

Other weird scriptwriting: When they go down to the planet with the time differential and really need to hurry up, why not

Spoiler

send out the robot that has a sophisticated sensor suite and can move very quickly in shallow water?

Uhh, they did.

 

[Jeff7]

Yeah. I thought it strange that they needed a Saturn V-class multi-stage rocket to get the crew from Earth to their ships already waiting in space but they could go down to the surface and back willy-nilly on ~1G planets in another galaxy.


Well, a robot DID blow up Romily. :hmm:

After it was somewhat lobotomized.

Uhh, they did.

Yes, but after slowly plodding around on foot for awhile. It was only after they saw the "emergency" approaching on the horizon that they thought "Oh yeah, we have a really fast robot," rather than "The passage of time is quickly screwing us over. Better hurry the hell up as soon as we touch down."

 

[CZroe]

After it was somewhat lobotomized.


Yes, but after slowly plodding around on foot for awhile. It was only after they saw the "emergency" approaching on the horizon that they thought "Oh yeah, we have a really fast robot," rather than "The passage of time is quickly screwing us over. Better hurry the hell up as soon as we touch down."

They were plodding around on foot for a while WITH the robot looking for it.That isn't what caused the problem. No one knew where it was or what had happened at that point.

Not sure what you mean. They were trying to leave early because of the impending waves that doomed the previous visitors, not because of the time dilation. The unexpected delay in getting back despite their attempt to leave early was due to water-logged engines, not due to humans being slower than robots.

They would have gladly spent more time than Brandt spent retrieving what they came for AND they would have been back sooner if not for the waves. Brandt disobeyed orders to abort and ended up forcing them to ride out a wave which stranded them for much longer.

Only Brandt still wanted to get the data by the time they figured out what had happened, which is also when they decided to leave. Sending a robot out when they are trying to leave and waiting for it to return only makes sense if they were trying not to leave her behind. It's not like time passes differently inside of the ship.

 

[Eug]

I must say the wave scenes on the water planet were way, way cooler than the wave scenes in The Perfect Storm. The visuals there took my breath away. The visuals of the event horizon of the black hole were also spectacular.

 

[JamesV]

The high points for me, as Eug posted above, were the water planet scenes, the entering of the wormhole, and I liked how the robots were portrayed/designed.

Everything else was a letdown. Personally, I had a hard time believing that any sane human being would be okay with "Don't worry, I'll figure out how to beat gravity by the time you are done"... really?

 

[Paratus]

For a large enough rotating black hole tidal forces are low enough that you could pass the event horizon in one piece.

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/BlackHoles/fall_in.html

 

[CZroe]

The high points for me, as Eug posted above, were the water planet scenes, the entering of the wormhole, and I liked how the robots were portrayed/designed.

Everything else was a letdown. Personally, I had a hard time believing that any sane human being would be okay with "Don't worry, I'll figure out how to beat gravity by the time you are done"... really?

You forgot the docking scene.

 

[Jeff7]

They were plodding around on foot for a while WITH the robot looking for it.That isn't what caused the problem. No one knew where it was or what had happened at that point.

Not sure what you mean. They were trying to leave early because of the impending waves that doomed the previous visitors, not because of the time dilation. The unexpected delay in getting back despite their attempt to leave early was due to water-logged engines, not due to humans being slower than robots.

They would have gladly spent more time than Brandt spent retrieving what they came for AND they would have been back sooner if not for the waves. Brandt disobeyed orders to abort and ended up forcing them to ride out a wave which stranded them for much longer.

Only Brandt still wanted to get the data by the time they figured out what had happened, which is also when they decided to leave. Sending a robot out when they are trying to leave and waiting for it to return only makes sense if they were trying not to leave her behind. It's not like time passes differently inside of the ship.

They were just all upset about the prospect of going down to the planet at all due to the time dilation effect. I guess I would've been wanting to move as quickly as possible once down there. Yes, waves approaching is a quick death, but time dilation can also be pretty damaging.

I must say the wave scenes on the water planet were way, way cooler than the wave scenes in The Perfect Storm. The visuals there took my breath away. The visuals of the event horizon of the black hole were also spectacular.

Agreed, those were nicely done.

The high points for me, as Eug posted above, were the water planet scenes, the entering of the wormhole, and I liked how the robots were portrayed/designed.

Everything else was a letdown. Personally, I had a hard time believing that any sane human being would be okay with "Don't worry, I'll figure out how to beat gravity by the time you are done"... really?

The robots were just so darn versatile, too. Versatile, durable, reasonably intelligent...good job on that.

For a large enough rotating black hole tidal forces are low enough that you could pass the event horizon in one piece.

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/BlackHoles/fall_in.html

Huh. Well I'll be.

Hopefully some day we figure out a way of teasing information out from beyond the event horizon.

 

[Gunbuster]

If only we could crack this gravity equation so we can boost large habitats into space. We need you to send us more datas! Dude gets into a car sized lander with the magical ability to boost to orbit multiple times with no visible fuel tanks searching for the solution...

 

[JTsyo]

Interstellar is now on Amazon Prime.

 

[CZroe]

If only we could crack this gravity equation so we can boost large habitats into space. We need you to send us more datas! Dude gets into a car sized lander with the magical ability to boost to orbit multiple times with no visible fuel tanks searching for the solution...

For some reason Ichinisan is annoyed when someone (often me) points this out.

 

[MongGrel]

The science is pretty solid actually.

Just depends on your knowledge of science.

I've still watched it a few times in the past.

Watched it again the other day when it did go on Prime.

 

[MongGrel]

For some reason I used to even ask as a Toolmaker a few times working with MIT Engineers what gravity actually is.

I had a few responses like "That is easy" then they could not actually explain it.

You can always record the results of it, that does not explain how it actually operates

I've had many interesting conversations with engineers in the past over beer and Goldschlager shots or home brewed hard cider in the past.

 

[CZroe]

The science is pretty solid actually.

Just depends on your knowledge of science.

I've still watched it a few times in the past.

Watched it again the other day when it did go on Prime.

Not the part Gunbuster just pointed out. It takes so much to get their little ship into orbit from Earth including multi-stage booster rockets and then the ship itself can just take off from a 1.3G planet under its own onboard power/fuel and do it again on other ~1G planets.

 

[destrekor]

Not the part Gunbuster just pointed out. It takes so much to get their little ship into orbit from Earth including multi-stage booster rockets and then the ship itself can just take off from a 1.3G planet under its own onboard power/fuel and do it again on other ~1G planets.

Is that the only point of failure for you when it comes to science? It's not the only one. Nolan even admitted some shortcuts were taken in the name of plot.


However, there exists a decent possibility: they have a newer propulsion system that, for it's type of fuel, can get to escape velocity a few times, but they needed to save it for where it mattered most. So they used conventional propulsion to escape Earth and get them to the wormhole.

 

[LucJoe]

Is that the only point of failure for you when it comes to science? It's not the only one. Nolan even admitted some shortcuts were taken in the name of plot.


However, there exists a decent possibility: they have a newer propulsion system that, for it's type of fuel, can get to escape velocity a few times, but they needed to save it for where it mattered most. So they used conventional propulsion to escape Earth and get them to the wormhole.

I guess if we're going to suspend reality enough to account for interaction with 5th dimensional beings and the magic spacetime transcending power of love, then sure. Seems legit.

 

[CZroe]

Is that the only point of failure for you when it comes to science? It's not the only one. Nolan even admitted some shortcuts were taken in the name of plot.





However, there exists a decent possibility: they have a newer propulsion system that, for it's type of fuel, can get to escape velocity a few times, but they needed to save it for where it mattered most. So they used conventional propulsion to escape Earth and get them to the wormhole.

Of course not. I have listed it with many others in the past. It's a pretty big one that others picking apart the movie usually miss even though it's staring them in the face and is much bigger than much of the stuff they chose to pick apart.

That explanation doesn't really it either because they had already made countless trips to have the rest in orbit and ready for them. He was testing it in atmospheric flight on Earth many years before he knew what they were training him for. Unless this stuff is suddenly unobtanium, they could have had an entirely fueled one or replacement fuel waiting with the station in orbit.

Almost all of their described fuel issues dealt with conserving fuel for getting from one planet to the next rather than being able to drop in and get back on a limited supply of unobtanium. Face it: getting to orbit was considered trivial even on a 1.3G planet even though it was depicted as non-trivial on a 1G planet (Earth). Scooting around to and from planet surfaces was big enough to break the immersion for me.

 

[rh71]

In the Interstellar documentary I see him making requests and suggestions and asking to hear them to make further requests and suggestions. This goes right down to the specific sounds, not just the notes and music.

He does this right there with the directors that he works with. If they didn't think he was pulling his weight then he wouldn't continue to have work.

The same documentary clearly shows his studio and shows him working on new material in said studio.

Late with this comment about the score, but if you listen to the entire soundtrack to the movie (the CD / MP3s that is), it is quite repetitive even though they are multiple tracks. If you re-watch the movie, you can see how it's basically the same 3 or 4 arrangements used in various parts.