Interstellar

[zinfamous]

ok, saw Interstellar.

WTF ending?!

future humans built the time capsule in the black hole?
it was cooper himself that was knocking the books over in his house?

recursive paradox much?

1) After the black hole time capsule dissolved, how did Cooper and the Ranger1 shuttle end up in normal space near Saturn?
they were ejected from the blackhole and sent thru the wormhole back to Saturn???

2) what happened to Edmund's on his planet? yeah, he's dead but what happened?

3) how did Amelia land on Edmund's planet? Shuttle1 was destroyed by Mann. Shuttle2 was used by Copper who flew it into the blackhole.
There was a 3rd shuttle?

4) After earth established their massive space station near Saturn, why didn't they send people thru the wormhole to search for Amelia? or one of the other 9 Lazarus astronauts?
why did it take cooper to steal a shuttle to do it?

5 dimensions, bro.

You just don't understand 5 dimensions.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

5 dimensions, bro.

You just don't understand 5 dimensions.

Why do there need to be 5 dimensions? And what part of going through a black hole would make humans able to experience life in 5-D?

 

[CZroe]

http://youtu.be/ZQRjHRPNUWU

Anyone think this sounds familiar?
Hint: Skip ahead to 4:16.

Amelia's space station also contained a lander like the Lazarus missions?
oh.. I missed that part.

so she started to populate her planet with the embryos?
if so, I see this:

intersteller 2: cooper and Amelia re-unite but something happens and they were put to deep sleep

intersteller 3: cooper and Amelia awake 100yrs later. civilization is on the brink of war between the humans in the Saturn space station and the humans on Edmunds planet

Yep. As I recall, the shuttle was called "The Jumper" to distinguish it.

 

[zinfamous]

Why do there need to be 5 dimensions? And what part of going through a black hole would make humans able to experience life in 5-D?

it's all about 5 dimensions, that's why.

 

[CZroe]

Why do there need to be 5 dimensions? And what part of going through a black hole would make humans able to experience life in 5-D?

That was never what it was saying. He was experiencing a 3D construct. Going through the black hole simply allowed them to get the data needed to solve the gravity problem and get the lifeboat station into orbit. Survival of the human race allowed eventual understanding of the 5th dimension and influence across time by humans vastly more advanced in the future. Those humans created the tessaract inside of the gravity well which represented this in 3 dimensions, facilitating older Cooper's communication with young Murph/Cooper. They implied that gravity is the only message which could affect time and that this is how they would communicate. Black holes have an awful lot of that! They used gravity to make the wormhole same as they used gravity to communicate.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Just watched the movie and can someone explain this to me? If humans evolved to the 5th dimension to create the tessaract, that means they lived past the blight. Why would they need Cooper to go back to warn the past to get humans off Earth if they already survived it?

 

[Franz316]

Just watched the movie and can someone explain this to me? If humans evolved to the 5th dimension to create the tessaract, that means they lived past the blight. Why would they need Cooper to go back to warn the past to get humans off Earth if they already survived it?

Because that is the biggest plot hole in the movie. There was an original, first time for this disaster to happen and there was no wormhole there to save them. Hence, everyone on Earth dies and that's that. I don't know who this group of humans was that somehow survived the dying of Earth, somehow stayed around for another thousand or whatever years, found out how to manipulate wormholes, and finally the 5th dimension. How is this plot even feasible?

 

[Grooveriding]

Couple ideas for that.

1 - Even with Cooper in the tesseract within the black hole area saying 'we made this', you never see any real evidence that it was constructed by humans. It's made evident that everything taking place in his daughter's room across different times was caused by him inside there, but you never see anything to indicate his statement that humans made it is accurate.

2 - If it was humans and they are able to interact and manipulate all the dimensions including time, they could still not be from the same timeline as the humans on the Earth that suffer the blight. They could be aware of them and still intercede but not have experienced those events in their timeline.

 

[Mayne]

finally watched it last night. My mind was blown. Probably watch it a couple more times.

 

[Anubis]

Comes out on BR in march
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/187-o...62482-interstellar-arrives-blu-ray-march.html

 

[destrekor]

Because that is the biggest plot hole in the movie. There was an original, first time for this disaster to happen and there was no wormhole there to save them. Hence, everyone on Earth dies and that's that. I don't know who this group of humans was that somehow survived the dying of Earth, somehow stayed around for another thousand or whatever years, found out how to manipulate wormholes, and finally the 5th dimension. How is this plot even feasible?

Couple ideas for that.

1 - Even with Cooper in the tesseract within the black hole area saying 'we made this', you never see any real evidence that it was constructed by humans. It's made evident that everything taking place in his daughter's room across different times was caused by him inside there, but you never see anything to indicate his statement that humans made it is accurate.

2 - If it was humans and they are able to interact and manipulate all the dimensions including time, they could still not be from the same timeline as the humans on the Earth that suffer the blight. They could be aware of them and still intercede but not have experienced those events in their timeline.

If it was future-humans, there is also the possibility that, thanks to certain unknowns about the true realities of higher-dimensions, including that of multi-dimensional time, it may be possible to actually create paradoxes.

There is also zero proof everyone on Earth would die. They could have been set back to pre-modern or even pre-civilized populations, and with enough time, surviving that could have been the very thing that sparked further evolution.

Another paradox of sorts, it could have all be sparked by going into the black hole. A human interacting with a zenith of multiple dimensions could have sparked numerous realities in time, or made it possible for multiple timelines to become aware of each other, or... something. lol

There is the paradox that Cooper made the messages in the tesseract, which were the very messages HE saw that convinced him to go. He accidentally convinced his past self to go to NASA, where he would wind up later being able to convince himself to go... to NASA. If he hadn't left that message, would he have ever made it?


Last but not least, there is no plot hole. It is a paradox, which is different. And paradoxes can be quite intentional, and make for more entertainment. We only have scientific debate as to the notion of paradoxes being possible or not, we have no evidence it cannot happen when time is manipulated, if it can be manipulated.

 

[DigDog]

this is a fantasy film, thats it. the "wormhole" was "created" by "future people". none of that is scientifically plausible. it ceases to be rational, and it could be a gingerbread house for all it matters.
the story that they go in a black hole to alter the past is not what actually happens in the film, and it also doesnt because you couldn't fly your film as "totally scientifact, man". i'm personally annoyed at michio kaku and all his crew for presenting the conceptual theory of what happens to light under relativistic conditions as being directly applicable to solid, living matter. If you wind up in a black hole you die, thats it. You don't cease to experience time, your observer ceases to be able to observe your information.

What actually happens is not known... and not just by me, but by anyone, NDT included.

 

[destrekor]

this is a fantasy film, thats it. the "wormhole" was "created" by "future people". none of that is scientifically plausible. it ceases to be rational, and it could be a gingerbread house for all it matters.
the story that they go in a black hole to alter the past is not what actually happens in the film, and it also doesnt because you couldn't fly your film as "totally scientifact, man". i'm personally annoyed at michio kaku and all his crew for presenting the conceptual theory of what happens to light under relativistic conditions as being directly applicable to solid, living matter. If you wind up in a black hole you die, thats it. You don't cease to experience time, your observer ceases to be able to observe your information.

What actually happens is not known... and not just by me, but by anyone, NDT included.

You aren't speaking concrete fact. Just so you know, there is plenty of disagreement on the nature of black holes. I'm not saying it is possible to traverse one, but factually, that has not been ruled out. Science has discussed it. The possibility that blackholes are nothing but wormholes has been around for awhile, and has not been debunked. Note, I don't say this in the means of "well you can't disprove god, so therefore..." - there is legitimate science on this.

Some science takes to the very solid, very defined narrative of the universe, the speed of light cannot be broken, ever, blackholes eat and grow, wormholes may or may not exist (probably not), there are no strings, etc.

Other science tries to make sense of the many inconsistencies when trying to make that story hold true. A flat possibly hollow sphere of a universe is within the realm of possibility, thanks to multidimensional theory and what may be incorrectly termed as holographic projection of lower dimensions.
I'm not saying whatever we believe in might just be real, or that the plot devices in Interstellar are grounded in fact. Simply, you speak so concretely as to the facts of our universe as if it is as accepted as gravity or, more concretely, the fact that light travels as light speed when unimpeded. And that couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[Grooveriding]

I think if you're ever going to be discussing humans managing to meaningfully explore the universe, meaning manned voyages beyond our solar system, you're going to be getting into areas that don't sound plausible. The only way that is ever happening is with us discovering something that right now today would sound like science fiction. So the movie can get some allowances for that

 

[DigDog]

I'm not saying it is possible to traverse one, but factually, that has not been ruled out. Science has discussed it. The possibility that blackholes are nothing but wormholes has been around for awhile, and has not been debunked. Note, I don't say this in the means of "well you can't disprove god, so therefore..." - there is legitimate science on this.

Some science takes to the very solid, very defined narrative of the universe, the speed of light cannot be broken, ever, blackholes eat and grow, wormholes may or may not exist (probably not), there are no strings, etc.

Other science tries to make sense of the many inconsistencies when trying to make that story hold true. A flat possibly hollow sphere of a universe is within the realm of possibility, thanks to multidimensional theory and what may be incorrectly termed as holographic projection of lower dimensions.
I'm not saying whatever we believe in might just be real, or that the plot devices in Interstellar are grounded in fact. Simply, you speak so concretely as to the facts of our universe as if it is as accepted as gravity or, more concretely, the fact that light travels as light speed when unimpeded. And that couldn't be further from the truth.

I admit this is true. But Interstellar (and some square-headed asian physicists who make a living out of selling dreams on TV) make it seem as if, being able to (possibly) interact with "light which is in a quantistic state", while inside a black hole, is equivalent to affecting reality outside of said black hole.

This is a similar issue with shoredinger's cat - while a state cannot be determined until it is observed, there is no definition of observed. Anything which can be observed is observed whether you, personally, observe it or not. Unless you are speculating individual realities for each individual human :/

And so light - in any state that it might exists inside a black hole - is already being interacted with; this isn't affecting the world outside it.

Sure you can always argue multiverse, in which case, cool, and the ending of interstellar is "in universe A, they went into the black hole and died, and so did everyone else because they didnt save them; in universe B, they saved everyone and never went into the black hole".

 

[GlacierFreeze]

If they were humans... IF

They mentioned the possibility that they *could be* humans from the future. Majority of the time they simply referred to them as "they." So, not really any plot holes on that part. "They" could be any type of being. They simply did not know and wasn't intended for the viewer to know either.

My guess is that they were not even close to humans. They were simply descendants from some race that evolved hundreds of millions of years before the first single celled organisms formed on Earth. They saw the human race was about to become extinct and used their vastly superior technology to give them a chance to save themselves. I think that's what they were going for but the slightest mention of humans from the future just... hmm... made some block everything else out.

 

[Braznor]

A fine movie except for that planet which is orbiting Gargantua at such a speed that every hour on that planet is seven years on Earth.

I wonder at what velocity would that planet be orbiting at? And if even such a mind boggling thing could exist, how the hell did their puny ship ever manage to match that velocity enough for them to land upon it?

Pretty dumb for a fine movie. But nevermind that, I enjoyed it very much nevertheless.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

A fine movie except for that planet which is orbiting Gargantua at such a speed that every hour on that planet is seven years on Earth.

I wonder at what velocity would that planet be orbiting at? And if even such a mind boggling thing could exist, how the hell did their puny ship ever manage to match that velocity enough for them to land upon it?

Pretty dumb for a fine movie. But nevermind that, I enjoyed it very much nevertheless.

That bothered you but the tessaract that allowed you to interact through the 4th dimension didn't? LoL.

 

[JTsyo]

A fine movie except for that planet which is orbiting Gargantua at such a speed that every hour on that planet is seven years on Earth.

I wonder at what velocity would that planet be orbiting at? And if even such a mind boggling thing could exist, how the hell did their puny ship ever manage to match that velocity enough for them to land upon it?

Pretty dumb for a fine movie. But nevermind that, I enjoyed it very much nevertheless.

Time dilation occurs due to gravity too, not just c-fractional velocity.

 

[CZroe]

A fine movie except for that planet which is orbiting Gargantua at such a speed that every hour on that planet is seven years on Earth.

I wonder at what velocity would that planet be orbiting at? And if even such a mind boggling thing could exist, how the hell did their puny ship ever manage to match that velocity enough for them to land upon it?

Pretty dumb for a fine movie. But nevermind that, I enjoyed it very much nevertheless.

It's not the planet's velocity, it's because Gargantua is spinning extremely fast and the planet is in it's ergosphere. The planet would appear almost still.

My main issues were a planet-hopping ship that has enough magic fuel to almost effortlessly visit and leave planets and a watch that can be programmed with gravity by morse code or something. It's one thing to make it twitch a signal once, it's another thing entirely to make it repeat it for years and years.

Oh yeah: Then there's the "love transcends time" crap. Ugh.

Still an excellent EXPERIENCE. I'm not sorry I saw it in IMAX and I will watch it again some day. I was not a fan of Inception, so I had lowered my expectations a little bit.

 

[Braznor]

If I got the formula and understood the result right, that water planet was orbiting at the speed of 299,792.45796 Km/s. Of course, this does not take into account the speed at which the planet was rotating around its own axis. Keep in mind that the speed of light is 299,792.458 Km/s. Therefore the planet was orbiting at the rate of 99.99999~ to the speed of light. :awe:

 

[destrekor]

If I got the formula and understood the result right, that water planet was orbiting at the speed of 299,792.45796 Km/s. Of course, this does not take into account the speed at which the planet was rotating around its own axis. Keep in mind that the speed of light is 299,792.458 Km/s. Therefore the planet was orbiting at the rate of 99.99999~ to the speed of light. :awe:

It's already been made clear that the time dilation has nothing to do with the planet's velocity.

 

[Braznor]

It's not the planet's velocity, it's because Gargantua is spinning extremely fast and the planet is in it's ergosphere. The planet would appear almost still.

My main issues were a planet-hopping ship that has enough magic fuel to almost effortlessly visit and leave planets and a watch that can be programmed with gravity by morse code or something. It's one thing to make it twitch a signal once, it's another thing entirely to make it repeat it for years and years.

Oh yeah: Then there's the "love transcends time" crap. Ugh.

Still an excellent EXPERIENCE. I'm not sorry I saw it in IMAX and I will watch it again some day. I was not a fan of Inception, so I had lowered my expectations a little bit.

Thanks, but even then it is pretty much stupid alongwith the love transcends all crap.

 

[KeithTalent]

Oh yeah: Then there's the "love transcends time" crap. Ugh.

Ugh, that was so awful and came from out of nowhere. There was some baaaad writing in this movie. Still enjoyed it overall, but it had some really dumb stuff.

KT

 

[Ns1]

Ugh, that was so awful and came from out of nowhere. There was some baaaad writing in this movie. Still enjoyed it overall, but it had some really dumb stuff.

KT

they did it for the womens aka 4 quadrant appeal.