Internet Accelerators.

Silversierra

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If this is in the wrong place, I apologize. I was wondering if internet accelerators actually work. I've seen several isp's that advertise 3x-5x faster surfing with an accelerator. Is it worth $3 more a month. One isp says it increases download speed 2x, but other isp's say that their accelerator will not affect actua ldownload speed. Anyone have any ideas, anyone use accelerated internet?
 

drag

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There full of crap.


What web accelerator does is compress files that you download... but all web traffic is already compressed before it goes down your 56k line. So you do stuff like compress compressed jpeg files.

At most you end up with 5% increase in performance, if that. Don't waste your money on stuff like that. If you want to pay a few extra bucks most DSL/Cable companies are offering slower versions of their normal speeds for a discount. Sometimes you can find them for pretty cheap.

Now there is one company in my area that offers DSL at around 26-30 bucks a month and that's what people paid for dial up a few years ago. Now that DSL would REALY give you 5-10X the speed and probably a bit more.
 

Looney

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No, it's all BS. I work for an ISP, but thankfully we don't resort to these deceptive marketing. What happens is that the ISP caches and compress the sites, so instead of actually visiting the site and getting the raw data, you're getting what the ISP has cached and compressed (if you visited a new site that we don't have cached, it does get compressed on the fly... but then gets cached in case other users visit that site). It still has to go through your modem, and that's where the bottleneck is. The compression is only 5x if the site is purely text... which VERY little sites are. And in reality you'll be lucky to get 2x the speed. Actual speed increase is probably closer to 20% on average.

And any ISP who claims it increases downloads are completely BSing. Downloads are normally already compressed, and we can't compress them any further.

 

Silversierra

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So it really isn't worth it. I don't think we can get dsl in our area, we also don't have cable on our road. So the only high speed option is sattelite, which I've heard is not very fast, unreliable, and expensive. At least we have a telephone line. lol
 

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Originally posted by: Silversierra
So it really isn't worth it. I don't think we can get dsl in our area, we also don't have cable on our road. So the only high speed option is sattelite, which I've heard is not very fast, unreliable, and expensive. At least we have a telephone line. lol

I'm in the same boat as you. I live in a very rural area and will never have any option but satellite for broadband. You listed 3 cons for satellite, only one of which is correct. I have had starband for about 6 months and it's been more reliable than the dsl or cable they have in the nearest town, my download speeds are the same as their dsl (surfing is faster on dsl due to the lag time of satellite), the only drawback is the price (and that is a large drawback). If you spend any time at all online, I don't see any way to avoid it. When I had dialup I couldn't even update drivers, game patches, etc.. Other than the price, I'm very satisfied with satellite. BTW, do some research and you can cut down on the equipment and installation prices drasticly;)
 

jadinolf

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I have it and I love it. Pages load almost instantly.
I pay $3.00 a month for the feature and to me it is worth every penny.
 

ShadowBlade

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all dialup accellerators do is compress the images...some even go as far as to make the images 4-bit color (grayscale)...this increases page loading speed but not download speed or ability to run large internet games, they demonstrated this on techTV
 

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Some of the ISP that offer accelerators actually state that picts and video/audio are not affected by the "speed" increase.

Only text.
 

Silversierra

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The isp I have now says that it WILL increase download speed 2x. I don't think that is possible. 112k dialup? Anyway, why don't my downloads download at my connection speed? Like if I connect at 46k, I can only download a file at 5k.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: Silversierra
The isp I have now says that it WILL increase download speed 2x. I don't think that is possible. 112k dialup? Anyway, why don't my downloads download at my connection speed? Like if I connect at 46k, I can only download a file at 5k.

Because you're connecting at BITS per second, and you're downloading at BYTES per second.
 

Silversierra

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Originally posted by: Hardcore
Originally posted by: Silversierra
The isp I have now says that it WILL increase download speed 2x. I don't think that is possible. 112k dialup? Anyway, why don't my downloads download at my connection speed? Like if I connect at 46k, I can only download a file at 5k.

Because you're connecting at BITS per second, and you're downloading at BYTES per second.

Oh, I get it now, I didn't realize that my connection speed was in bits. Yeah 8 kbits per kbyte =46 divided by 8 = 5.75 kbytes per second. Pretty close to download speed.
 

Malak

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Get Opera The latest version in beta right now will have built-in web accelerator. So even if it's a minor boost, at least you get it for free. Pay for whichever ISP is cheapest.
 

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Originally posted by: Silversierra
So it really isn't worth it. I don't think we can get dsl in our area, we also don't have cable on our road. So the only high speed option is sattelite, which I've heard is not very fast, unreliable, and expensive. At least we have a telephone line. lol
actually, you can get a second phone line and use a dual-line modem to parallel the 2 lines . . . 56K+56K (more like 106K total on two good lines) . . . . i have been toying with this as my only other alternative to dial-up is satellite . . . . which is (in fact) fast, reliable (unless you have lots of storms) and expensive (2 out of 3 aint bad if there is nothing else)
:roll:
 

DaveSimmons

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Originally posted by: malak
Get Opera The latest version in beta right now will have built-in web accelerator. So even if it's a minor boost, at least you get it for free. Pay for whichever ISP is cheapest.
That isn't actually possible using just the client software -- you have to compress the data on the ISP server, before sending it on the phone line, to effectively increase bandwidth. The only way it could work is if the Opera folks pay to set up proxy servers to do page compression and the Opera browser is set to use those servers instead of connecting directly to websites.

They might have other optimizations like not downloading all of the page, but that's not web acceleration it's something else.

As stated above, web accelerators help a lot for text (on websites not already using zlib compression) and for images if the ISP degrades image quality to reduce size, but has no effect on music, movies, game patches and demos.
 

Malak

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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Originally posted by: malak
Get Opera The latest version in beta right now will have built-in web accelerator. So even if it's a minor boost, at least you get it for free. Pay for whichever ISP is cheapest.
That isn't actually possible using just the client software -- you have to compress the data on the ISP server, before sending it on the phone line, to effectively increase bandwidth. The only way it could work is if the Opera folks pay to set up proxy servers to do page compression and the Opera browser is set to use those servers instead of connecting directly to websites.

They might have other optimizations like not downloading all of the page, but that's not web acceleration it's something else.

As stated above, web accelerators help a lot for text (on websites not already using zlib compression) and for images if the ISP degrades image quality to reduce size, but has no effect on music, movies, game patches and demos.

Read about it here
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: malak
Get Opera The latest version in beta right now will have built-in web accelerator. So even if it's a minor boost, at least you get it for free. Pay for whichever ISP is cheapest.

Nowhere on the Opera site and in the Key Feature section does it list Opera as having web acceleration... and it would be impossible, because it would need to go through a server to have the things compressed.
 

Malak

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Originally posted by: Hardcore
Originally posted by: malak
Get Opera The latest version in beta right now will have built-in web accelerator. So even if it's a minor boost, at least you get it for free. Pay for whichever ISP is cheapest.

Nowhere on the Opera site and in the Key Feature section does it list Opera as having web acceleration... and it would be impossible, because it would need to go through a server to have the things compressed.

Read post above.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Originally posted by: malak
Get Opera The latest version in beta right now will have built-in web accelerator. So even if it's a minor boost, at least you get it for free. Pay for whichever ISP is cheapest.
That isn't actually possible using just the client software -- you have to compress the data on the ISP server, before sending it on the phone line, to effectively increase bandwidth. The only way it could work is if the Opera folks pay to set up proxy servers to do page compression and the Opera browser is set to use those servers instead of connecting directly to websites.

They might have other optimizations like not downloading all of the page, but that's not web acceleration it's something else.

As stated above, web accelerators help a lot for text (on websites not already using zlib compression) and for images if the ISP degrades image quality to reduce size, but has no effect on music, movies, game patches and demos.

Read about it here

So i guess you didn't bother reading it yourself? It says it's for Slipstream ISP... so it does the same thing as every other 'high speed dialup' out there.
 

Malak

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Originally posted by: Hardcore
Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Originally posted by: malak
Get Opera The latest version in beta right now will have built-in web accelerator. So even if it's a minor boost, at least you get it for free. Pay for whichever ISP is cheapest.
That isn't actually possible using just the client software -- you have to compress the data on the ISP server, before sending it on the phone line, to effectively increase bandwidth. The only way it could work is if the Opera folks pay to set up proxy servers to do page compression and the Opera browser is set to use those servers instead of connecting directly to websites.

They might have other optimizations like not downloading all of the page, but that's not web acceleration it's something else.

As stated above, web accelerators help a lot for text (on websites not already using zlib compression) and for images if the ISP degrades image quality to reduce size, but has no effect on music, movies, game patches and demos.

Read about it here

So i guess you didn't bother reading it yourself? It says it's for Slipstream ISP... so it does the same thing as every other 'high speed dialup' out there.

Yes it does the same thing as any other, it uses what other ISP's use, it's the same thing. But you don't need a specific ISP to use it.
 

Malak

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Founded in 2000 in Waterloo, Ontario, SlipStream Data Inc. is a privately-owned software development company that delivers on the need to increase the speed of Internet access - regardless of network connection - by providing unparalleled compression.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: Hardcore
Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Originally posted by: malak
Get Opera The latest version in beta right now will have built-in web accelerator. So even if it's a minor boost, at least you get it for free. Pay for whichever ISP is cheapest.
That isn't actually possible using just the client software -- you have to compress the data on the ISP server, before sending it on the phone line, to effectively increase bandwidth. The only way it could work is if the Opera folks pay to set up proxy servers to do page compression and the Opera browser is set to use those servers instead of connecting directly to websites.

They might have other optimizations like not downloading all of the page, but that's not web acceleration it's something else.

As stated above, web accelerators help a lot for text (on websites not already using zlib compression) and for images if the ISP degrades image quality to reduce size, but has no effect on music, movies, game patches and demos.

Read about it here

So i guess you didn't bother reading it yourself? It says it's for Slipstream ISP... so it does the same thing as every other 'high speed dialup' out there.

Yes it does the same thing as any other, it uses what other ISP's use, it's the same thing. But you don't need a specific ISP to use it.

No, because you can't 'pay for whichever is the cheapest ISP' like you claimed earlier. Not all ISPs have 'web acceleration', and infact most don't.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: malak
Founded in 2000 in Waterloo, Ontario, SlipStream Data Inc. is a privately-owned software development company that delivers on the need to increase the speed of Internet access - regardless of network connection - by providing unparalleled compression.

So? Do you even comprehend what you're reading? It just means this would work over dialup, LAN, WAN, or Wireless.
 

Malak

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Originally posted by: Hardcore
Originally posted by: malak
Founded in 2000 in Waterloo, Ontario, SlipStream Data Inc. is a privately-owned software development company that delivers on the need to increase the speed of Internet access - regardless of network connection - by providing unparalleled compression.

So? Do you even comprehend what you're reading? It just means this would work over dialup, LAN, WAN, or Wireless.

No... honestly, you bash me for not reading it but apparently you didn't either. Web acceleration is used in every major dialup ISP, from Netzero to AOL. Slipstream is not an ISP, they simply make the technology. I don't know the specifics on how it'll work, the latest version of opera isn't out yet, but obviously there is going to be a benefit to having it built into the browser instead of getting it through the ISP, otherwise they wouldn't have integrated it.