Internal water cooling?

RockGuitarDude

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I have a few questions about water cooling. Any answers would be greatly appreciated! :

What are some good internal water coolers? How much do they run?
Is it worth it? How much better is it than a high end after market fan?
What water cooler provides most bang for the buck?
Are there any problems associated with transporting them from place to place?

Thanx...
 

Dman877

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Originally posted by: RockGuitarDude
I have a few questions about water cooling. Any answers would be greatly appreciated! :

What are some good internal water coolers? How much do they run?
Is it worth it? How much better is it than a high end after market fan?
What water cooler provides most bang for the buck?
Are there any problems associated with transporting them from place to place?

Thanx...

Any "good" water cooling system is custom-configured. I like DangerDen. While water cooling IS more efficient then air cooling, it has to be installed and setup correctly, and it will cost 4 or 5 times as much as a good hsf. As for transportation, how you install the equipment has a lot to do with how transportable the system is. Something to think about, water cooling gear generally adds a good bit of weight to a comp case.

IMO, only reason to use water cooling is if you want good cooling performance and low noise. A high noise water cooling system is kinda useless imo, still bound by ambiant temps and performance really won't be that much better then a good hsf consequently.
 

Falloutboy

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water is great. installed saturday a rad from WA261, Demonic Watercooling block and a L30 pump....keeps my chips under 40C when I'm not pushing the volage past 1.8V and still keeps me under 50C at 2.1V not many HSF's can do that.
 

Jaxidian

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Water cooling is DEFINITELY not for everybody. In my opinion, use water cooling only for the following reasons:

Choose 1 of these and water cooling MIGHT be right for you: (there may be others but these are the main reasons)
? You want it for looks (UV-dyed water looks cool)
? You want a quiet computer
? You are overclocking by 400MHz and you want another 50MHz
? You want to one-up somebody else on temps (say a roommate)
? You're paranoid about heat damaging your CPU over time
? You have an extra $200 to blow

ALL of the following are requirements:
? You are confident you can successfully become a plumber inside of your computer without leaking any water, ever.
? You don't mind spending an extra $200 on the water cooling.
? You don't mind spending an extra few hours setting it up the first time.
? You don't mind checking up on the entire system somewhat regularly (checking water levels, adding chemicals, checking clamps, etc)
? You don't mind spending an extra few hours researching things.

Water cooling might NOT be right for you if ANY of the following apply: (there may be others but these are the main reasons)
? None from the first list apply
? Any from the second list don't apply
? You don't care about a noisy computer
? You don't feel comfortable working inside your computer regularly.
? You do feel comfortable unplugging and plugging in PCI or AGP cards while your computer is running.
? Temps are not a problem for you.
? You think you're going to double your speed from before water-cooling to after water-cooling.

FACTS:
? Top-end air-cooling can be just as effecient, and often, more effecient than water-cooling (unless you're doing something crazy like putting your radiator in a freezer)
? Water-cooling is a significant money and time investment
? There is a significant risk involved! If one of your tubes crack, you're probably out several hundred dollars of computer equipment and potentially all of it, including data.
? I think water cooling is cool, still. :)
 

Ackmed

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Originally posted by: Jaxidian
FACTS:
? Top-end air-cooling can be just as effecient, and often, more effecient than water-cooling (unless you're doing something crazy like putting your radiator in a freezer)


That is far from a fact. Is common knowledge a well setup watercooling system has lower temps than any heatsink/fan combo.
 

Jaxidian

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: Jaxidian
FACTS:
? Top-end air-cooling can be just as effecient, and often, more effecient than water-cooling (unless you're doing something crazy like putting your radiator in a freezer)


That is far from a fact. Is common knowledge a well setup watercooling system has lower temps than any heatsink/fan combo.

I disagree, in a sense, but agree in a sense. I do agree with your point, if a properly setup, good watercooling system will almost always have slightly higher performance than a properly setup, good aircooling system. However, if you take all of the watercooling systems in existance, I bet you a good, reasonable (no box fans sitting in front of an air conditioner on full blast) aircooling system can match or beat the temps of over 2/3's of those water cooling systems. Maybe I should have added "Usually" to the beginning of that statement.
 

Ackmed

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I would agree that a quality heatsink/fan combo can beat a poorly setup watercooled CPU. Maybe even a decent one watercooled setup. But a good watercooled setup will beat any air cooling setup.
 

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
I would agree that a quality heatsink/fan combo can beat a poorly setup watercooled CPU. Maybe even a decent one watercooled setup. But a good watercooled setup will beat any air cooling setup.

I agree, but I think most watercooling systems out there probably don't fall into the "good" category and that was the point I was trying to make. If you want water cooling to be better than air cooling (and good air cooling is easy to do, good water cooling isn't so easy), you better do it well. I've seen some water cooling setups that are comparable to an AMD stock HSF.
 

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I have a Koolance 601 and I love it. I've had it for 8 months, stays at 30 degress celsuis.

ROJAS