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Interesting VP choices....what would turn everything upside down!?

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hellod9

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What VP picks do you think could completely change the presidential race?

Here are some interesting ideas:

McCain & Bloomberg
McCain & Lieberman
McCain& Condoleeza

Obama & Hagel
Obama & Hillary
Obama & Bloomberg

There are so many very interesting options...

What would is the craziest plausible outcome!?
 
If it must be plausible, I think you swap out C. Rice and exchange for Carly Fiorina (or whatever). IIRC, she's his national campaign manager.

Fern
 
Obama & Hillary would definately change it, right to McCain's favor. Hillary brings nothing to Obama's ticket except a trove of scandal's that havent been widely exploited by her opponents yet.
 
Condi is absolutely positively not going to run for VP.

McCain/Bloomberg might actually be vote-worthy, but I've heard that the only job Bloomberg is interested in is Sec. of State, which he can't possibly be construed as even remotely qualified for.
 
McCain/Bloomberg would be an interesting option but, for my fantasy VP picks, I'd like to see McCain/Colin Powell. Probably not gonna happen but I'd like to see a qualified minority candidate.

On the Dem side, I'd like to see Judas Richardson or Kathleen Sebelius. Both are in the running and either would stir the Clinton holdouts.
 
Leiberman's a pathetic loser who even looks like a pathetic loser, and Condi is just a Bushwhacko traitor in a skirt. Either of them would make a lovely anchor for McShame's trainwreck in progress.

I think Bloomberg's too smart to involve himself with McShame. I don't know whether Obama would consider him., but he could. Bloomberg was a Democrat who only changed parties to run for mayor against the Democratic candidate.
 
Barak and Ralph,, Al Gor Dept of Interior,, Edwards Attorney General,, Powell Chief of Staff,, Bill Foreign Affairs,, and Hillary atalking to the press.
 
McCain is obviously going to need a person that knows how to change diapers. Carly Fiorina would be a good choice.

McDepends-Fiorina 2008!!!
 
Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
Obama & Hillary would definately change it, right to McCain's favor. Hillary brings nothing to Obama's ticket except a trove of scandal's that havent been widely exploited by her opponents yet.
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Tapping HRC as his veep would be a death knell for Obama. It wouldn't lure many of the Hillary supporters and the Hillary haters, which are legion, would abandon BHO in droves.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
Obama & Hillary would definately change it, right to McCain's favor. Hillary brings nothing to Obama's ticket except a trove of scandal's that havent been widely exploited by her opponents yet.
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Tapping HRC as his veep would be a death knell for Obama. It wouldn't lure many of the Hillary supporters and the Hillary haters, which are legion, would abandon BHO in droves.
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but it would never, ever happen.
 
Originally posted by: cumhail
I've love to see an Obama-Hagel ticket.
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This.

It would make Obama's inevitable assassination almost worthwhile.



Completely over the line. Take a week off to ruminate over what you just posted.


esquared
Anandtech Senior Moderator
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
Obama & Hillary would definately change it, right to McCain's favor. Hillary brings nothing to Obama's ticket except a trove of scandal's that havent been widely exploited by her opponents yet.
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Tapping HRC as his veep would be a death knell for Obama. It wouldn't lure many of the Hillary supporters and the Hillary haters, which are legion, would abandon BHO in droves.
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but it would never, ever happen.
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Hopefully not. One reason I'm voting for Obama is that I think he's smarter than that.

Then again, smart people often make very stupid decisions. If they didn't then the smart people would be the de facto ruling class. They aren't.
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
the problem with picking a republican VP would pose is how would the Dems run against him in 2016?
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I see your point and how it would seem a problem for their party... But two things:

1) Chuck Hagel can be asked to switch from being a Republican to a Democrat... or even better, in my opinion, an Independent.
2) Personally, I'm less concerned with what's good Democratic party than I am with what's good for America. While I tend, at least recently, to vote for their candidates (because they scare me less than the Republicans do), I am no less disgusted by the Democrats who've failed to do anything to better this country in the time since they ostensibly "took control" than I am by the Republicans who rubber stamped anything the Bush admin wanted to do for six years. And don't even get me started on either side's staunchest supporters...

I don't think Obama would do it, mind. And I don't think the Democratic party would let him if he wanted to. But I do think it would be good for the country and would love to see it be the first step toward the end of two-party rule in this country.
 
Originally posted by: Fern
If it must be plausible, I think you swap out C. Rice and exchange for Carly Fiorina (or whatever). IIRC, she's his national campaign manager.

Fern
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Yeah I'm glad she's in that position, her track record is great for the opposition. It's clear that her strategy is to torpedo McCain's campaign, just like she tried to torpedo HP and got the boot.

 
Originally posted by: cumhail
Originally posted by: loki8481
the problem with picking a republican VP would pose is how would the Dems run against him in 2016?
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I see your point and how it would seem a problem for their party... But two things:

1) Chuck Hagel can be asked to switch from being a Republican to a Democrat... or even better, in my opinion, an Independent.
2) Personally, I'm less concerned with what's good Democratic party than I am with what's good for America. While I tend, at least recently, to vote for their candidates (because they scare me less than the Republicans do), I am no less disgusted by the Democrats who've failed to do anything to better this country in the time since they ostensibly "took control" than I am by the Republicans who rubber stamped anything the Bush admin wanted to do for six years. And don't even get me started on either side's staunchest supporters...

I don't think Obama would do it, mind. And I don't think the Democratic party would let him if he wanted to. But I do think it would be good for the country and would love to see it be the first step toward the end of two-party rule in this country.
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so would the needed constitutional convention immediately follow the election? We have a two party system in the country because it is the only plausible option for people looking to maximize their vote.
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: cumhail
Originally posted by: loki8481
the problem with picking a republican VP would pose is how would the Dems run against him in 2016?
Click to expand...

I see your point and how it would seem a problem for their party... But two things:

1) Chuck Hagel can be asked to switch from being a Republican to a Democrat... or even better, in my opinion, an Independent.
2) Personally, I'm less concerned with what's good Democratic party than I am with what's good for America. While I tend, at least recently, to vote for their candidates (because they scare me less than the Republicans do), I am no less disgusted by the Democrats who've failed to do anything to better this country in the time since they ostensibly "took control" than I am by the Republicans who rubber stamped anything the Bush admin wanted to do for six years. And don't even get me started on either side's staunchest supporters...

I don't think Obama would do it, mind. And I don't think the Democratic party would let him if he wanted to. But I do think it would be good for the country and would love to see it be the first step toward the end of two-party rule in this country.
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so would the needed constitutional convention immediately follow the election? We have a two party system in the country because it is the only plausible option for people looking to maximize their vote.
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No, and I think it fairly clear that I was suggesting nothing of the kind. Rather, I'd be hopeful that it would be a gradual, and natural, evolution toward two things: 1) A future where third party candidates have the chance of being more than just "spoilers;" and 2) One where more of the citizenry starts voting for candidates based on their merits and their stands on issues rather than on their political party affiliations.

In another thread, forum members were asked how they could voted for Bush in 2004. At other times, we've similarly been asked how or why anyone would vote for Kerry... or Gore... or Obama. And for those of us who think equally little of both parties, the answer is clear: with precious few exceptions, Democrats will vote for their party's candidate, Republicans will vote for theirs, and those who are unaffiliated will help tip the scales in one direction or the other.

It wouldn't matter if the Republicans ran David Duke and the Democrats ran Louis Farrakhan... the die-hards of each party would be in these forums, and others like them, explaining to us all at great length why their candidate is still the best possible choice and/or that no matter how bad he is, the other guy is worse. And while they make these arguments, the rest of us who actually are unaffiliated voters end up trying to figure out who's the lesser of the evils... if either is.

Why did Kerry lose in 2004? Because he was a shitty candidate, yes, and so he failed to sway enough of the undecided to win by 3% instead of losing by the same margin. But if he was Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and Roosevelt, all rolled into one, the Republicans still would have attacked and voted against him; and if he was the second coming of Adolf Hitler, the Democrats would have defended and supported him.

 
Originally posted by: cumhail
Originally posted by: loki8481
the problem with picking a republican VP would pose is how would the Dems run against him in 2016?
Click to expand...

I see your point and how it would seem a problem for their party... But two things:

1) Chuck Hagel can be asked to switch from being a Republican to a Democrat... or even better, in my opinion, an Independent.
2) Personally, I'm less concerned with what's good Democratic party than I am with what's good for America. While I tend, at least recently, to vote for their candidates (because they scare me less than the Republicans do), I am no less disgusted by the Democrats who've failed to do anything to better this country in the time since they ostensibly "took control" than I am by the Republicans who rubber stamped anything the Bush admin wanted to do for six years. And don't even get me started on either side's staunchest supporters...

I don't think Obama would do it, mind. And I don't think the Democratic party would let him if he wanted to. But I do think it would be good for the country and would love to see it be the first step toward the end of two-party rule in this country.
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there's the rub.

picking a candidate from outside the tent, despite whatever merits it has and would bring to a ticket, would incite a riot on the convention floor and pushing the vote would be like pulling teeth if you get every democratic party figure telling their people to vote against it.

nominating Hagel could ensure Vice President Clinton. lol.
 
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