Interesting view on why America hates George Bush

Citadel535

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This article is from a man named Tom Wolfe who has written a great amount of highly acclaimed literature. He makes a great statement that I agree with on why everyone hates Bush.

You can find the article here.

In a nutshell he shows that the reason why the media giants and most of America do not like Bush is due to their moral views. Most opponents to Bush view the American lifestyle of sex, drugs, and more sex to be the lifestyle they are entitled to. Wolfe states "In the 60s they talked about a sexual revolution, but it has become a sexual carnival." They adamantly defend this non-morality and shows why all things Christian in the country are being removed.

There are a few definitions to religion such as a cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion, but in a nutshell it is a shared community belief. This secularist, non-moral belief is itself a religion as it is taught not by a religious institution but by the public schools themselves and groups such as the ACLU.

You cannot deny that religion is not a fundamental part of American history. The country was founded from individuals seeking to escape injustices in the Roman Catholic faith but many communities followed strict Christian grounded beliefs. Anyone who argues we were founded with separation of church and state is correct, but what if noone recognizes a new religion is taking over the state? This new religion is doing everything in its power to prevent any threats to it, and that includes making America hates conservatives and especially George Bush.
 

FuzzyBee

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Originally posted by: TranceNation


let's not forget that most think he is clueless

Oh, yeah - I saw that poll.

Funny how his books sell like crazy for a clueless man.
 

cwjerome

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I read that off Drudge a few days ago, and I appreciate his attitude. I can relate to what seems like a conservative nature without the partisan politicism. And not being religious, I also can feel for the plight of those who are.



 

jackschmittusa

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I'm curious about how you define religion. And how did the public schools and the ACLU get into this assumption? Sounds like you picked up an idea from the author and ran far afield with it whils using the author's name to lend weight to you argument.
 

bozack

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I posted an article about how those in the entertainment biz were virtually frothing at the mouth hoping that the Heniz-Kerrys would get into the white house because they "better" embody what mainstream America aspires to be....upper class socialities who fancy fashion, botox, expensive haircuts and what not....

Now contrast that with the contry esque nature of Laura Bush and compare with the shows which gain prominance in mainstream media....
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: bozack
Now contrast that with the contry esque nature of Laura Bush and compare with the shows which gain prominance in mainstream media....

She's been first lady for the past four years and we've had the same old superficial commercial materialistic crap on tv.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
But the truth is everyone hates Kerry, so whats the point?

Some people want to know why America hates GWB. This thread is for them. Don't be afraid to not post. :)
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: Infohawk

She's been first lady for the past four years and we've had the same old superficial commercial materialistic crap on tv.

Everything has to be spoon fed to you doesn't it info?

I am not saying the Whitehouse nor who inhabits it control what is pushed upon society via the media, what I am saying is that the media will better be able to associate with the Heinz-Kerry's lifestyle as it is what they are trying to push on the US....socalite society, high fashion, expensive and often feminist grooming for men (See Kerry's expensive haircuts and botox treatments)..wheras with the Bush white house they got none of that, no big social events, a wife that didn't buy or display $10,000 handbags...etc etc etc.
 

FelixDeCat

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
But the truth is everyone hates Kerry, so whats the point?

Some people want to know why America hates GWB. This thread is for them. Don't be afraid to not post. :)

So they want to know a lie? They must be moveon.org people. Theyre a lost cause anyway. Carryon.
 

naddicott

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Being anti-sex is a very dangerous position! :shocked:

My distaste for Bush (could be considered "hate" depending on how loose your definition is) is entirely based on his systematic dismantling of our nation's environmental protections.

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Infohawk

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Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: Infohawk

She's been first lady for the past four years and we've had the same old superficial commercial materialistic crap on tv.

Everything has to be spoon fed to you doesn't it info?

I am not saying the Whitehouse nor who inhabits it control what is pushed upon society via the media, what I am saying is that the media will better be able to associate with the Heinz-Kerry's lifestyle as it is what they are trying to push on the US....socalite society, high fashion, expensive and often feminist grooming for men (See Kerry's expensive haircuts and botox treatments)..wheras with the Bush white house they got none of that, no big social events, a wife that didn't buy or display $10,000 handbags...etc etc etc.

Now contrast that with the contry esque nature of Laura Bush and compare with the shows which gain prominance in mainstream media....

Sorry I don't understand your sentence. What is that last clause really supposed to mean? Your writing isn't clear and I'm thinking the ideas behind it aren't either.
 

Moonbeam

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Religion in the US is a huge business that makes its living sucking the life blood out of a bunch of brainwashed chumps. But they loose lots of the children to education and culture. So they invented a bogeyman they call Secular Humanism to pin all their misery and fear of lost income on and spread word of this new evil all around. Ignorance depends on fear of evil to build an inescapable mental prison. The world is evil and only the Christian will go to heaven. Please increase your tithe. We have much missionary work to do to save the lost. We are the simple simple minded folk arrayed against evil.
 

cquark

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While Tom Wolfe was a great writer a quarter century ago, it sounds like he needs to get out and actually talk to the people who oppose Bush. The reasons that I hear in real life and on this forum include items such as:

[*]Reductions of US civil rights (Patriot Act, etc.)
[*]Failure to handle terrorism (9/11)
[*]Unnecessary and counterproductive war on Iraq
[*]Violations of human rights (Guantanamo Bay)
[*]Huge deficit spending
[*]Reduction of environmental protections
[*]Unprecedent secrecy of government, moreso than the Nixon administration

Also, let's honestly face the fact that while Bush II and his wife may do a good job of playing the part of a typical American family in public, they're descendents of a long line of wealthy and powerful New Englanders and live that lifestyle. Remember Bush addressing the wealthy: "Some would call you the elite, I call you my base" and expressing his comfort among the "haves and have-mores." The 2004 race is between two extremely wealthy men and their exceedingly wealthy supporters; there is no average American running for President on behalf of a major party.

 

Moonbeam

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Lunatic Fundie American Christianity is like a fish in the bottom of a boat. It flopps alot dying.
 

Ldir

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Originally posted by: Citadel535
This article is from a man named Tom Wolfe who has written a great amount of highly acclaimed literature. He makes a great statement that I agree with on why everyone hates Bush.

You can find the article here.

In a nutshell he shows that the reason why the media giants and most of America do not like Bush is due to their moral views. Most opponents to Bush view the American lifestyle of sex, drugs, and more sex to be the lifestyle they are entitled to. Wolfe states "In the 60s they talked about a sexual revolution, but it has become a sexual carnival." They adamantly defend this non-morality and shows why all things Christian in the country are being removed.

There are a few definitions to religion such as a cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion, but in a nutshell it is a shared community belief. This secularist, non-moral belief is itself a religion as it is taught not by a religious institution but by the public schools themselves and groups such as the ACLU.

You cannot deny that religion is not a fundamental part of American history. The country was founded from individuals seeking to escape injustices in the Roman Catholic faith but many communities followed strict Christian grounded beliefs. Anyone who argues we were founded with separation of church and state is correct, but what if noone recognizes a new religion is taking over the state? This new religion is doing everything in its power to prevent any threats to it, and that includes making America hates conservatives and especially George Bush.

Sounds like a strawman to me. It can not be Dubya's fault. It must be because Americans are heathens. :roll:
 

Todd33

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As if Religious people are more morals. Funny one.

They just hate more; hate guys, hate minorities, hate hate hate. It has nothing to do with morals.
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Sorry I don't understand your sentence. What is that last clause really supposed to mean? Your writing isn't clear and I'm thinking the ideas behind it aren't either.


Info it should have said "country", my bad on the spelling mistake....

My point is that the Bushes keep a closed whitehouse for the most part....their lifestyle and their personal affiars represent a time in American culture that has either passed or the media is working to move past...the Kerry's live the socialite life that the media today loves to glamorize (sp?) the media, especially entertainment media will have something to talk about with the Kerry's whereas with Bush and his family outside of his daughters there was little to talk about.
 

phantom309

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Most Americans hate Bush because he got 1000 soldiers killed in a war he justified with lies.