Interesting tidbit about 9/11...

[ViviTheMage]

 

[BeauJangles]

20 seconds into this video shows you what Ventura's expertise is when it comes to demolitions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIegZ1nWWQ4

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I can debunk these conspiracy theories in one sentence. Our government can not keep a secret, if it was a conspiracy it would have to have been a massive one and somebody would have talked about it by now.

That is EXACTLY what they want you to think.

Why would it have to be a huge group of people? It would just take a couple key people or just luck at the airports...then a few guys to wire up the buildings over how ever long they needed.

I could give one building falling like that, but two and then the third one is just crazy from a physics standpoint as well as construction.

To the other poster, when you learn to blow up things you are also learning how to have them fall...thinking otherwise is moronic. Demolition is more about the control of the structure than utterly decimating it.

Really? Do you honestly think this stuff through?

First it would require high up people in the government to decide to do 9/11. Second it would then take people to execute the plan. At MINIMUM you need 5-10 people to be able to wire each building in a timely fasion. Then you have to wire it the day of, because if you wire it a day or two in advance it has a higher % chance at being noticed by an employee. Then you need however many total hijackers they had (who are willing to kill themself). Not to mention the logistics of it are just way too complex and make no sense. Why would we go blow our buildings up? To go to war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Why? For oil? Yeah that's obviously not it. Okay so how about WMD's? Yeah that was a bs reason, but we could have gone in saying WMD's without 9/11. So can you give me one reason to kill our own people, and bring down 3 buildings?

Next for the "I could give one building falling like that, but two and then the third one is just crazy from a physics standpoint as well as construction." you aren't in the engineering field are you? Towers 1 and 2 were built the same way, why do you think they WOULDN'T fall the same way? If you really want to see how you're wrong, look at the structures and how they were built. The way they fell is completely possible. The area they were hit was weakend by the impact and further weakend by the fire. Both towers collapsed from those points. Take the amount of weight from the tower and drop it close enough to vertical 30-40 ft+ (each had 3-4 stories minimum hit by each plane) and see what happens. It will collapse it vertically, not falling sideways. If you want it to fall sideways (or any other way then how it did) you would have to hit it in the middle/bottom of the tower.

Controlled demolition is just that controlled. I would argue that Towers 1 and 2 were not very controlled, just well engineered.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Deadtrees


A good shooter knows far more than just how to shoot.
UDT guys sure have to know about 'physics and how they burn/fall down,' otherwise they wouldn't really make it.

So a good shooter can look at a crime scene and tell me where the bullets were fired from? Hitting a target and reconstruct a shooting are two very different skills and the same goes for being able to blow things up and being able to reconstruct or understand a demolition. Put it this way -- there's nobody else I'd want to go in ahead of me and clear a beach of obstacles / enemy bunkers than a Navy SEAL, but that doesn't mean I want a Navy SEAL running a controlled demolition of a building in downtown Vegas.

 

[Beev]

People who think the entirety of 9/11 was all about a few planes crashing into buildings are stupid. Likewise, anyone who thinks the entirety was orchestrated by our government is equally stupid.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
The thing about 9/11 is that everyone seems to have taken a position of either the whole thing is exactly as it seems, or the whole thing was a giant government conspiracy. If you watch the footage of the towers collapsing, something seems off. They seem to fall too quickly and perfectly. Yet if you start to think that maybe things aren't exactly as has been presented, the hardcore tinfoil-hat-wearing conspiracy theorists try to suck you in and make you believe a million other improbable things. This, of course, leads to the characterization of anyone who doesn't 100% agree with the official story as a nut-job.

I, for one, do not think everything happened exactly as it appeared. I'm not speculating as to what did happen, but I do think the official story is wrong. But there's almost no way of further investigating it, and no way of convincing anyone with access to the right information to do a serious inquiry.

I think it goes beyond that. It is either that the towers were brought down by planes, and so the conspiracy involved only a couple dozen people, or it was brought down by explosives and hundreds are involved. There really are no other options.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
The thing about 9/11 is that everyone seems to have taken a position of either the whole thing is exactly as it seems, or the whole thing was a giant government conspiracy. If you watch the footage of the towers collapsing, something seems off. They seem to fall too quickly and perfectly. Yet if you start to think that maybe things aren't exactly as has been presented, the hardcore tinfoil-hat-wearing conspiracy theorists try to suck you in and make you believe a million other improbable things. This, of course, leads to the characterization of anyone who doesn't 100% agree with the official story as a nut-job.

I, for one, do not think everything happened exactly as it appeared. I'm not speculating as to what did happen, but I do think the official story is wrong. But there's almost no way of further investigating it, and no way of convincing anyone with access to the right information to do a serious inquiry.

I think it goes beyond that. It is either that the towers were brought down by planes, and so the conspiracy involved only a couple dozen people, or it was brought down by explosives and hundreds are involved. There really are no other options.

What brought down the 3rd tower? magic?

 

[lyssword]

Yeah, but can he take Fedor in a street fist-fight to the death and then sprout wings and fly away ?

 

[Queasy]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

this nonsense again

 

[Steve]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I can debunk these conspiracy theories in one sentence. Our government can not keep a secret, if it was a conspiracy it would have to have been a massive one and somebody would have talked about it by now.

Yes, our government can keep a secret. They can keep a lot of secrets.

St. Michael's Church
Fort Walton, Kansas
Front pew, right leg
Hollow

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I can debunk these conspiracy theories in one sentence. Our government can not keep a secret, if it was a conspiracy it would have to have been a massive one and somebody would have talked about it by now.

That is EXACTLY what they want you to think.

Hey are those black helo's heading your way?

Make sure you replace your tinfoil every day, because daily wear can reduce its ability to block out those mind reading government waves and all....

http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
The thing about 9/11 is that everyone seems to have taken a position of either the whole thing is exactly as it seems, or the whole thing was a giant government conspiracy. If you watch the footage of the towers collapsing, something seems off. They seem to fall too quickly and perfectly. Yet if you start to think that maybe things aren't exactly as has been presented, the hardcore tinfoil-hat-wearing conspiracy theorists try to suck you in and make you believe a million other improbable things. This, of course, leads to the characterization of anyone who doesn't 100% agree with the official story as a nut-job.

I, for one, do not think everything happened exactly as it appeared. I'm not speculating as to what did happen, but I do think the official story is wrong. But there's almost no way of further investigating it, and no way of convincing anyone with access to the right information to do a serious inquiry.

I think it goes beyond that. It is either that the towers were brought down by planes, and so the conspiracy involved only a couple dozen people, or it was brought down by explosives and hundreds are involved. There really are no other options.

What brought down the 3rd tower? magic?

Oh, gee, I don't know, maybe the fucking fire burning in the building and two 110 story buildings collapsing nearby with enough of an impact to be noticeable on a seismograph? Why don't you propose a theory or stfu.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
The thing about 9/11 is that everyone seems to have taken a position of either the whole thing is exactly as it seems, or the whole thing was a giant government conspiracy. If you watch the footage of the towers collapsing, something seems off. They seem to fall too quickly and perfectly. Yet if you start to think that maybe things aren't exactly as has been presented, the hardcore tinfoil-hat-wearing conspiracy theorists try to suck you in and make you believe a million other improbable things. This, of course, leads to the characterization of anyone who doesn't 100% agree with the official story as a nut-job.

I, for one, do not think everything happened exactly as it appeared. I'm not speculating as to what did happen, but I do think the official story is wrong. But there's almost no way of further investigating it, and no way of convincing anyone with access to the right information to do a serious inquiry.

My own personal nutjob theory:

The towers were deemed dangerous after the impact and could have fallen and damaged more of the city. A controlled demolition was determined to be the best way to deal with the situation but, since people were still trapped inside, announcing this to the public would have created controversy.

That, or the structures were designed to fail in that way.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
The thing about 9/11 is that everyone seems to have taken a position of either the whole thing is exactly as it seems, or the whole thing was a giant government conspiracy. If you watch the footage of the towers collapsing, something seems off. They seem to fall too quickly and perfectly. Yet if you start to think that maybe things aren't exactly as has been presented, the hardcore tinfoil-hat-wearing conspiracy theorists try to suck you in and make you believe a million other improbable things. This, of course, leads to the characterization of anyone who doesn't 100% agree with the official story as a nut-job.

I, for one, do not think everything happened exactly as it appeared. I'm not speculating as to what did happen, but I do think the official story is wrong. But there's almost no way of further investigating it, and no way of convincing anyone with access to the right information to do a serious inquiry.

My own personal nutjob theory:

The towers were deemed dangerous after the impact and could have fallen and damaged more of the city. A controlled demolition was determined to be the best way to deal with the situation but, since people were still trapped inside, announcing this to the public would have created controversy.

That, or the structures were designed to fail in that way.

I hope you are being sarcastic with the "lets send a demo team into a burning building to do a controlled demolition of it when we have no clue how long it is going to stand, and then we will blow it up while people are still evacuating." *goes and checks sarcasm meter*

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
The thing about 9/11 is that everyone seems to have taken a position of either the whole thing is exactly as it seems, or the whole thing was a giant government conspiracy. If you watch the footage of the towers collapsing, something seems off. They seem to fall too quickly and perfectly. Yet if you start to think that maybe things aren't exactly as has been presented, the hardcore tinfoil-hat-wearing conspiracy theorists try to suck you in and make you believe a million other improbable things. This, of course, leads to the characterization of anyone who doesn't 100% agree with the official story as a nut-job.

I, for one, do not think everything happened exactly as it appeared. I'm not speculating as to what did happen, but I do think the official story is wrong. But there's almost no way of further investigating it, and no way of convincing anyone with access to the right information to do a serious inquiry.

I think it goes beyond that. It is either that the towers were brought down by planes, and so the conspiracy involved only a couple dozen people, or it was brought down by explosives and hundreds are involved. There really are no other options.

What brought down the 3rd tower? magic?

Oh, gee, I don't know, maybe the fucking fire burning in the building and two 110 story buildings collapsing nearby with enough of an impact to be noticeable on a seismograph? Why don't you propose a theory or stfu.

thats weird that fires have never taken down buildings like that ever before. Also weird that no other buildings collapsed though there were others just as close. weird. Also weird that the man leasing the towers had huge terrorist insurance policies taken out on them just months beforehand. Also weird is that the towers will be rebuilt with tax payer money and he will profit billions from leasing the millions and millions of sq ft of office space....weird.

nothing to worry about just that guys lucky day I guess.....

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I can debunk these conspiracy theories in one sentence. Our government can not keep a secret, if it was a conspiracy it would have to have been a massive one and somebody would have talked about it by now.

That is EXACTLY what they want you to think.

Hey are those black helo's heading your way?

Make sure you replace your tinfoil every day, because daily wear can reduce its ability to block out those mind reading government waves and all....

http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

These amplified frequencies coincide with radio bands reserved for government use according to the Federal Communication Commission (FCC). Statistical evidence suggests the use of helmets may in fact enhance the government's invasive abilities. We speculate that the government may in fact have started the helmet craze for this reason.

Lulz. I need to read that at some point

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I can debunk these conspiracy theories in one sentence. Our government can not keep a secret, if it was a conspiracy it would have to have been a massive one and somebody would have talked about it by now.

This is exactly what I say to governmental conspiracy theorists. Clinton couldn't keep something as simple as a BJ a secret; how would it even be remotely possibly for the government to keep something like a 9/11 cover-up a secret with the amount of people that would be involved? Short answer, it's not.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I can debunk these conspiracy theories in one sentence. Our government can not keep a secret, if it was a conspiracy it would have to have been a massive one and somebody would have talked about it by now.

This is exactly what I say to governmental conspiracy theorists. Clinton couldn't keep something as simple as a BJ a secret; how would it even be remotely possibly for the government to keep something like a 9/11 cover-up a secret with the amount of people that would be involved? Short answer, it's not.

Who said the u.s. government had to be involved for it to be a conspiracy? There are private interest groups that wield enough power and influence to pull this off.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
If I said "Go away" would you?

You don't when I am with your mother and girlfriend, why should I?

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
The thing about 9/11 is that everyone seems to have taken a position of either the whole thing is exactly as it seems, or the whole thing was a giant government conspiracy. If you watch the footage of the towers collapsing, something seems off. They seem to fall too quickly and perfectly. Yet if you start to think that maybe things aren't exactly as has been presented, the hardcore tinfoil-hat-wearing conspiracy theorists try to suck you in and make you believe a million other improbable things. This, of course, leads to the characterization of anyone who doesn't 100% agree with the official story as a nut-job.

I, for one, do not think everything happened exactly as it appeared. I'm not speculating as to what did happen, but I do think the official story is wrong. But there's almost no way of further investigating it, and no way of convincing anyone with access to the right information to do a serious inquiry.

I think it goes beyond that. It is either that the towers were brought down by planes, and so the conspiracy involved only a couple dozen people, or it was brought down by explosives and hundreds are involved. There really are no other options.

What brought down the 3rd tower? magic?

Oh, gee, I don't know, maybe the fucking fire burning in the building and two 110 story buildings collapsing nearby with enough of an impact to be noticeable on a seismograph? Why don't you propose a theory or stfu.

thats weird that fires have never taken down buildings like that ever before. Also weird that no other buildings collapsed though there were others just as close. weird. Also weird that the man leasing the towers had huge terrorist insurance policies taken out on them just months beforehand. Also weird is that the towers will be rebuilt with tax payer money and he will profit billions from leasing the millions and millions of sq ft of office space....weird.

nothing to worry about just that guys lucky day I guess.....

It is possible that it was dumb luck he took out those policies, or maybe he thought "hey terrorists have attacked these buildings before, it's about time I get some insurance on it just in case."

Why would the government cover for this guy so he can make milliongs (maybe billions)? Seriously? Been snorting coke in the bathrooms with the strippers or something?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Every one of his ideas has been completely debunked by academics(and real engineers).

Not all engineers and professors though.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
If I said "Go away" would you?

You don't when I am with your mother and girlfriend, why should I?

What is this, fucking high school? Grow up.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I can debunk these conspiracy theories in one sentence. Our government can not keep a secret, if it was a conspiracy it would have to have been a massive one and somebody would have talked about it by now.

This is exactly what I say to governmental conspiracy theorists. Clinton couldn't keep something as simple as a BJ a secret; how would it even be remotely possibly for the government to keep something like a 9/11 cover-up a secret with the amount of people that would be involved? Short answer, it's not.

*sigh*

I don't have any specific beliefs as to what happened or did not happen on 9/11, other than a bunch of people were needlessly murdered.

But as to government being able to keep secrets :

Manhattan Project
RS-71 (and any number of Skunkworks projects)
MKULTRA
etc

Read 'SpyCatcher', it's an interesting view of intelligence agencies, written by a former British senior MI5/MI6 career officer.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
The thing about 9/11 is that everyone seems to have taken a position of either the whole thing is exactly as it seems, or the whole thing was a giant government conspiracy. If you watch the footage of the towers collapsing, something seems off. They seem to fall too quickly and perfectly. Yet if you start to think that maybe things aren't exactly as has been presented, the hardcore tinfoil-hat-wearing conspiracy theorists try to suck you in and make you believe a million other improbable things. This, of course, leads to the characterization of anyone who doesn't 100% agree with the official story as a nut-job.

I, for one, do not think everything happened exactly as it appeared. I'm not speculating as to what did happen, but I do think the official story is wrong. But there's almost no way of further investigating it, and no way of convincing anyone with access to the right information to do a serious inquiry.

I think it goes beyond that. It is either that the towers were brought down by planes, and so the conspiracy involved only a couple dozen people, or it was brought down by explosives and hundreds are involved. There really are no other options.

What brought down the 3rd tower? magic?

Oh, gee, I don't know, maybe the fucking fire burning in the building and two 110 story buildings collapsing nearby with enough of an impact to be noticeable on a seismograph? Why don't you propose a theory or stfu.

thats weird that fires have never taken down buildings like that ever before. Also weird that no other buildings collapsed though there were others just as close. weird. Also weird that the man leasing the towers had huge terrorist insurance policies taken out on them just months beforehand. Also weird is that the towers will be rebuilt with tax payer money and he will profit billions from leasing the millions and millions of sq ft of office space....weird.

nothing to worry about just that guys lucky day I guess.....

:roll:It's weird that large jetliners the size of a Boeing 767 don't normally hit buildings all the time while loaded with enough fuel to fly coast to coast to cause a fire of sufficient size and scope to bring down buildings the size of the twin towers. The world is just full of weirdness. :roll:

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
The thing about 9/11 is that everyone seems to have taken a position of either the whole thing is exactly as it seems, or the whole thing was a giant government conspiracy. If you watch the footage of the towers collapsing, something seems off. They seem to fall too quickly and perfectly. Yet if you start to think that maybe things aren't exactly as has been presented, the hardcore tinfoil-hat-wearing conspiracy theorists try to suck you in and make you believe a million other improbable things. This, of course, leads to the characterization of anyone who doesn't 100% agree with the official story as a nut-job.

I, for one, do not think everything happened exactly as it appeared. I'm not speculating as to what did happen, but I do think the official story is wrong. But there's almost no way of further investigating it, and no way of convincing anyone with access to the right information to do a serious inquiry.

I think it goes beyond that. It is either that the towers were brought down by planes, and so the conspiracy involved only a couple dozen people, or it was brought down by explosives and hundreds are involved. There really are no other options.

What brought down the 3rd tower? magic?

Oh, gee, I don't know, maybe the fucking fire burning in the building and two 110 story buildings collapsing nearby with enough of an impact to be noticeable on a seismograph? Why don't you propose a theory or stfu.

thats weird that fires have never taken down buildings like that ever before. Also weird that no other buildings collapsed though there were others just as close. weird. Also weird that the man leasing the towers had huge terrorist insurance policies taken out on them just months beforehand. Also weird is that the towers will be rebuilt with tax payer money and he will profit billions from leasing the millions and millions of sq ft of office space....weird.

nothing to worry about just that guys lucky day I guess.....

It is possible that it was dumb luck he took out those policies, or maybe he thought "hey terrorists have attacked these buildings before, it's about time I get some insurance on it just in case."

Why would the government cover for this guy so he can make milliongs (maybe billions)? Seriously? Been snorting coke in the bathrooms with the strippers or something?

who said the govt. is covering for him?

Haven't gotten a good explanation why the 3rd building apparently collapsed for no reason. All videos show relatively little damage.