Interesting quote from Democrat Harry Truman

[IndieSnob]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Really, you mean civilians sometimes die in wars? Wow, I didn't know that. :roll:

I wasn't talking about the civilians that were killed, but instead the way we were treating innocent prisoners. How does something like that just 'happen in a war?" These were prisoners, in a controlled enviroment, who also happened to be innocent. So again, tell me how this is "a sad and unfortunate thing"? Or are you just trying to twist this into something else and not addressing what I actually said?

As to the Serbian thing, I'm glad you know what I thought. Don't be so absurd to think that just because I'm liberal I would defend anything Clinton did. Generelazations like that are a crock of BS, and you know it.

You Libs really get your jollies out of blowing the Abu Ghraib situtation way out of proportion, don't you? You really need to start finding better retorts.

I figured as such that you couldn't answer me with any reason. Thanks for proving my point.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Crimson

All of your arguments for starting a war in Iraq can be applied to N. Korea as well. Should they be next on the list?

 

[chess9]

Rip:

It would be mostly speculation, but HST was a cooperative and practical man because of his modest roots. He probably would have been more like #41 or #42 in his approach. BTW, I think Ike would have done the same thing.

Bush's approach to Iraq is RADICAL and dangerous and suggests an impatient man without an adequate understanding of the nature of diplomacy and our relationship to the rest of the world. In my view, this criticism of Bush will be THE big black stain on his administration's dress.

But, getting back to HST, you should "read" this book:

http://www.audible.com/adbl/store/product.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1752482868.1088070218@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccgadclldeeefgcefecegedfhfdfom.0&uniqueKey=1088070237718&pageType=preliminaryResults&productID=BK_SANS_000311

It's one of many audible books I've "read" while on long runs or training rides. If you're busy or prefer listening to reading, you'll enjoy it. Or, just buy the book.

Truman was a very special guy and is woefully underappreciated by the general public.

-Robert

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Zephyr106

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Really, you mean civilians sometimes die in wars? Wow, I didn't know that. :roll:

I wasn't talking about the civilians that were killed, but instead the way we were treating innocent prisoners. How does something like that just 'happen in a war?" These were prisoners, in a controlled enviroment, who also happened to be innocent. So again, tell me how this is "a sad and unfortunate thing"? Or are you just trying to twist this into something else and not addressing what I actually said?

As to the Serbian thing, I'm glad you know what I thought. Don't be so absurd to think that just because I'm liberal I would defend anything Clinton did. Generelazations like that are a crock of BS, and you know it.

You Libs really get your jollies out of blowing the Abu Ghraib situtation way out of proportion, don't you? You really need to start finding better retorts.

So it's perfectly fine to sodomize and beat to death innocent people in jails?

Zephyr

Really, how much mileage are the Libs planning on getting from the behavior of a handful of rogue soldiers?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Zephyr106

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Really, you mean civilians sometimes die in wars? Wow, I didn't know that. :roll:

I wasn't talking about the civilians that were killed, but instead the way we were treating innocent prisoners. How does something like that just 'happen in a war?" These were prisoners, in a controlled enviroment, who also happened to be innocent. So again, tell me how this is "a sad and unfortunate thing"? Or are you just trying to twist this into something else and not addressing what I actually said?

As to the Serbian thing, I'm glad you know what I thought. Don't be so absurd to think that just because I'm liberal I would defend anything Clinton did. Generelazations like that are a crock of BS, and you know it.

You Libs really get your jollies out of blowing the Abu Ghraib situtation way out of proportion, don't you? You really need to start finding better retorts.

So it's perfectly fine to sodomize and beat to death innocent people in jails?

Zephyr

Really, how much mileage are the Libs planning on getting from the behavior of a handful of rogue soldiers?

You'd think they'd be better off railing against the ill conceived invasion and occupation of Iraq and trying to bring Democracy to a people who on a whole aren't willing to sacrifice anything for it themselves.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Zephyr106

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Really, you mean civilians sometimes die in wars? Wow, I didn't know that. :roll:

I wasn't talking about the civilians that were killed, but instead the way we were treating innocent prisoners. How does something like that just 'happen in a war?" These were prisoners, in a controlled enviroment, who also happened to be innocent. So again, tell me how this is "a sad and unfortunate thing"? Or are you just trying to twist this into something else and not addressing what I actually said?

As to the Serbian thing, I'm glad you know what I thought. Don't be so absurd to think that just because I'm liberal I would defend anything Clinton did. Generelazations like that are a crock of BS, and you know it.

You Libs really get your jollies out of blowing the Abu Ghraib situtation way out of proportion, don't you? You really need to start finding better retorts.

So it's perfectly fine to sodomize and beat to death innocent people in jails?

Zephyr

Really, how much mileage are the Libs planning on getting from the behavior of a handful of rogue soldiers?

Really, how much mileage are the Bushies planning on getting from bleating this was only about a handful of rogue soldiers? It goes to the top.


--------------------
Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over America's eyes since 1980

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Zephyr106

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Really, you mean civilians sometimes die in wars? Wow, I didn't know that. :roll:

I wasn't talking about the civilians that were killed, but instead the way we were treating innocent prisoners. How does something like that just 'happen in a war?" These were prisoners, in a controlled enviroment, who also happened to be innocent. So again, tell me how this is "a sad and unfortunate thing"? Or are you just trying to twist this into something else and not addressing what I actually said?

As to the Serbian thing, I'm glad you know what I thought. Don't be so absurd to think that just because I'm liberal I would defend anything Clinton did. Generelazations like that are a crock of BS, and you know it.

You Libs really get your jollies out of blowing the Abu Ghraib situtation way out of proportion, don't you? You really need to start finding better retorts.

So it's perfectly fine to sodomize and beat to death innocent people in jails?

Zephyr

Really, how much mileage are the Libs planning on getting from the behavior of a handful of rogue soldiers?

Handful of rogue soldiers?

Well, since the color of the sky in your world is brown (from having your head shoved up your ass) I can understand why you'd think that.

Again, I point you to this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1305083&enterthread=y

Your personal attack was uncalled for. Enjoy a week off!

 

[0roo0roo]

hah rogue soldiers is bs. there was a culture of permisiveness. its not that i'm against torture, i'm sure its necessary in a ticking bomb kind of scenario, but in that case you send in black ops who know what they are doing, and know how to keep it secret... no? u don't send in the lowest level troops,....military police guarding a prison to do this if u have a controlled rational leadership

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
hah rogue soldiers is bs. there was a culture of permisiveness. its not that i'm against torture, i'm sure its necessary in a ticking bomb kind of scenario, but in that case you send in black ops who know what they are doing, and know how to keep it secret... no? u don't send in the lowest level troops,....military police guarding a prison to do this if u have a controlled rational leadership

You definately don't use the "Trailer Park" Brigade to do it!

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: chess9
Rip:

It would be mostly speculation, but HST was a cooperative and practical man because of his modest roots. He probably would have been more like #41 or #42 in his approach. BTW, I think Ike would have done the same thing.

Bush's approach to Iraq is RADICAL and dangerous and suggests an impatient man without an adequate understanding of the nature of diplomacy and our relationship to the rest of the world. In my view, this criticism of Bush will be THE big black stain on his administration's dress.

But, getting back to HST, you should "read" this book:

http://www.audible.com/adbl/store/product.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1752482868.1088070218@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccgadclldeeefgcefecegedfhfdfom.0&uniqueKey=1088070237718&pageType=preliminaryResults&productID=BK_SANS_000311

It's one of many audible books I've "read" while on long runs or training rides. If you're busy or prefer listening to reading, you'll enjoy it. Or, just buy the book.

Truman was a very special guy and is woefully underappreciated by the general public.

-Robert

Thanks, I'll pick up the book. I agree that Truman was a remarkable man.

 

[IndieSnob]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Zephyr106

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Really, you mean civilians sometimes die in wars? Wow, I didn't know that. :roll:

I wasn't talking about the civilians that were killed, but instead the way we were treating innocent prisoners. How does something like that just 'happen in a war?" These were prisoners, in a controlled enviroment, who also happened to be innocent. So again, tell me how this is "a sad and unfortunate thing"? Or are you just trying to twist this into something else and not addressing what I actually said?

As to the Serbian thing, I'm glad you know what I thought. Don't be so absurd to think that just because I'm liberal I would defend anything Clinton did. Generelazations like that are a crock of BS, and you know it.

You Libs really get your jollies out of blowing the Abu Ghraib situtation way out of proportion, don't you? You really need to start finding better retorts.

So it's perfectly fine to sodomize and beat to death innocent people in jails?

Zephyr

Really, how much mileage are the Libs planning on getting from the behavior of a handful of rogue soldiers?

I see you still can't refute what I said, but instead are leaning on your 'those damn liberals are blowing this out of proportion' crutch. Guess you're going to just cower in your corner.