interesting political cartoon
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Hmmm... I can't make it out... but it loox like a small amount of plastic explosives fell outta the dead kids hand... Glad the soliders killed him before he blew up a bus or something....:Q 
Lethal
Lethal
A suicide bomber killed five people just yesterday. It happens every day. Meanwhile, we're preparing to fight a war which has even less meaning (by ourselves, if things stay the way they are now), and was planned before the President took office.
A fight with less meaning? We have been bombing iraq every week for the past 10 years. It is time to either stop the bombing or take care of the real root of the problem. For those that complain about the cost of regime change in iraq, think about the cost of keeping iraq in check the past 10 years.
I can't agree more.
I read at least once a week how Iraqi air defenses either targeted planes or actually targeted and fired at them, it is time to take care of the problem once and for all.
If you ask me, it should have happened in '91, but they didn't soooo ..... here we are.....
Damn straight. I think that's part of the reason Bush Sr. lost re-election, he didn't go all the way. I was in high school (and almost up for the draft, a few more months and I'd have been 18) in '91 and I was saying we should go "All the way" and get Saddam. Hell taking care of him then might even have prevented 9/11.
Or it would have caused something similar sooner. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. It was caused by America fvcking around with other countries while having no regard for the welfare of the actual citizens. Sooner or later people will reach their thresh hold.
And we were suppose to let Saddam and his thugs rape, murder and pillage Kuwaitt and maybe even Saudi Arabia. Now I agree Saddam is partly our fault (we gave him tons of weapons in the 80's), which is far as I'm concerned is all the more reason for us to go get him. If we had a hand in creating Saddam, let's have the balls to own up to it and go clean up our mess by taking him out.
Before you say "It's only about Oil." Check out this website: http://www.kuwaitthanksamerica.org/
We saved alot of people, our fault was not going far enough to save more lives.
Everyone. Talk to people in Europe (forget the middle east) and see how they perceive the average American. Look at the steel tariffs. Look at the disreguard for previously established treaties (ABM I think it was, not entirely sure). Look at what we're about to do. We're going to adopt a strike first defense policy. Did you read this one? Let me make it easier:
A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack on Iraq to secure 'regime change' even before he took power in January 2001.
The PNAC report also:
- refers to key allies such as the UK as 'the most effective and efficient means of exercising American global leadership';
- describes peace-keeping missions as 'demanding American political leadership rather than that of the United Nations';
- reveals worries in the administration that Europe could rival the USA;
- says 'even should Saddam pass from the scene' bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait will remain permanently -- despite domestic opposition in the Gulf regimes to the stationing of US troops -- as 'Iran may well prove as large a threat to US interests as Iraq has';
- spotlights China for 'regime change' saying 'it is time to increase the presence of American forces in southeast Asia'. This, it says, may lead to 'American and allied power providing the spur to the process of democratisation in China';
- calls for the creation of 'US Space Forces', to dominate space, and the total control of cyberspace to prevent 'enemies' using the internet against the US;
- hints that, despite threatening war against Iraq for developing weapons of mass destruction, the US may consider developing biological weapons -- which the nation has banned -- in decades to come. It says: 'New methods of attack -- electronic, 'non-lethal', biological -- will be more widely available ... combat likely will take place in new dimensions, in space, cyberspace, and perhaps the world of microbes ... advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool';
- and pinpoints North Korea, Libya, Syria and Iran as dangerous regimes and says their existence justifies the creation of a 'world-wide command-and-control system'.
We're about to invade Iraq without international support in a pre-emptive strike. F*ck the UN; we'll do it ourselves if we have to, right?
But how long can we afford to strike against any nation which we deem a threat without the help of other nations? What about the costs of peacekeeping and security after the fact? We're already running a defecit because of increased spending (much of which is well needed; something had to be done about the air security checkpoints) and now we're going to start a costly war without the approval or even the lack of disapproval from the UN and possibly the Senate?!? It just seems frightening to see so many established systems bypassed in the need for 'security'.
ABM is relic of the cold war. Its time has passed.
Strike first policy. WE have always looked out after our interest abroad, nothing new to see here.
Was A new iraq regime in the plans before he entered office. Unlikely.
So secret it was published.....
Allies with common interest working together? no kidding.
The UN has no leadership. Duh.
Once again, another Duh. The EU could grow to be an economic power/military power.
Nothing ground breaking here.
Yup for the same reason we still have bases in japan, europe,korea. We have interests in the area. Saudi arabia for the most part is quite happy to keep us there.
China could be a threat in next 20-50 years. Another Duh.
DUH. Europe could create Space forces, but they are not. Is that our fault?
More weapons development. What else is new.YOu will notice these are going to smart targeted weapons, not dumb untargeted ones.
I thought we already had one of those.
They are irrelevent if they dont act. Passing resolutions may feel good, but it does not do anything.
We cant take on every country. We can take Iraq, but we will probably have to increase forces after that.
WE will have senate approval by the end of next week, if not sooner. The UN can act if they wish.
No systems have currently been bypassed. IN current actuallity, we have UN approval from resolutions that have gone unenforced and senate resolution after 9/11 last year.
The problem is that this is will be a documnted change in policy, which is very new. (I realize that I sound like a jackass without the article documenting the exact policy but I can't find it right now)
Also, why didn't we allow the UN weapons inspectors to go back in? Now, I would have liked to see the two morons who jumped up behind Rumsfeld seated at the table with him and made fools of; but why not? How about while we're preparing to attack? Why just "no, too late?"
ABM- so we're allowed to just duck out of a treaty when we feel like it now? why don't we just tell the UN we're all set then?
Bush also stated earlier that he believed that he could proceed in invading Iraq under the resoultion in 1991, and would do so if necessary. that's bypassing.
I do think that Iraq may become a problem at some point, and a pre-emptive strike may be necessary; but as of right now, there is no evidence beyond the White House's word that Iraq even has these weapons, we don't have international support (we were likened to Hitler by a German cabinet member), and we don't have the money to do it right and worry about the economy at the same time.
We've f##ked w/a lot of countries. But if someone (or some country) hates us it's more likely because they are jealous or resentful of us than because of a steel tariff. And no, I'm not trying to get all "US is the best" kinda bullsh*t, but look at it this way. The US is just over 200 years old and it is the only Superpower left, and by far the most powerful country in the world. No one wants the US around because they (other nations) get inferiority complexes. The US has done in 2 centuries what other countries and cultures haven't been able to do in a millenium (or more) of existence (don't you think you'd be a littles pissed off if you spent, lets say, 85 years of your life playing chess day in and day out and you run into a 5yr old that beats yer a** six ways from Sunday every match....). Of course, when the s**t hits the fan (war, natural disaster, etc.,) who does everyone lean on to get involved, and send troops, and give more aide...
Of course this is an oversimplification, but it is part of the "why the world hates the US" puzzle.
Lethal
In a few hours the Brits are releasing a 60 page intelligence document on what Iraq has and that should clear up quite a few things. But you are foolish to beleive that Saddam has not been developing WMD or harboring and training terrorist.
It's rather like convincting a criminal before a fair trial, isn't it? He who holds that kind of power is dangerous.
There still is no proof Iraq was in any way involved in the 9/11 attacks.
There still is no proof Iraq is linked to al queda, other than hints of al queda members either traveling through or going to northern iraq.
There is only speculation as to Iraq's WMDs and their intent to use them to harm the US.
But, of course, they violated UN resolutions, so it's all good right?
WTF does Iraq have to do with 9/11... little or nothing. Is Bush blamming Iraq for 9/11? No. The hair up Bush's a@@ in regards to Iraq is that they've refused to follow the terms of their unconditional surrender from '91, and have been/still are developing weapons of mass desturction. Do you want to wait for "another 9/11", this time coming from Saddam, before we do something about him? Comparing this to a trial in a court of law is off base. If the police see someone w/a bunch of bombs run into a shopping mall do they have to wait for him to start blowing things up and killing people before they can act? No, of course not. Should we wait until Saddam bombs, invades, or chemically attacts another country before we do something to stop him? No (at least I don't think we should wait for him to attack again).
Lethal
OK dumbasses, lets see if a little plain english helps...
THE ONLY WAY TO "PROVE" THAT SADDAM HAS A NUKE IS TO WAIT UNTIL HE TESTS/USES ONE.
At that point, it's too late.
THE ONLY WAY TO "PROVE" THAT SADDAM HAS A NUKE IS TO WAIT UNTIL HE TESTS/USES ONE.
At that point, it's too late.
France. They're behind international terrorism, communism, hunger, AIDS and French. Let's put a stop to this once and for all and just nuke the hell out of that sh!thole!
(P.S. For all those French-speaking people who cannot distinguish between a joke and a serious remark, please move to France if you are not yet there before we nuke it!
)The UN has these people who used to ""inspect"" the munitions, or in simpler terms, ""weapons"", that Iraq has/had. They were kicked out, but have been offered re-entry now that we are ready to invade to find out. So, to put it in your plain english:
OR WE COULD USE THE FRIGGIN WEAPONS INSPECTORS AND SAVE AMERICAN LIVES AND MONEY.
It wasn't until today that Iraq offered "unfettered" access to UN inspectors. But when they'll let the inspectors in, and if they will really have unfettered access are two things that only time will tell... Personally, I'll believe it when I see it.
Lethal
Well here's the deal see: I can probably name a dozen rogue states who have WMD programs. Should I be waiting for attacks from them, too?
If our government can prove Saddum is an immediate, unequivocal threat to the United States, then I'm all for invasion. You simply can't prosecute countries on the fear the might do something bad to you in the future. Under that policy, every nation on earth would be at constant war with their neighbors.
I also understand Iraq's leadership is an enemy of my country's leadership but the Iraqi people are not enemies of American citizens. How can we be right to invade Iraq when Iraq was wrong to invade Kuwait?
Al Queda is my enemy because they inflicted mass random murder on the people of my country and sought to destroy it. There is no doubt, zero, that al queda must meet Allah. So lets focus on bringing those known criminals to justice, okay?
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