And yours does?? BTW, one word: Anthrax
There have been no attacks since No Child Left Behind was signed into law. NCLB stops the terrorists!
The Patriots have won 3 Super Bowls since 9/11. The Patriots' winning has stopped terrorist attacks!!
There have been no attacks since No Child Left Behind was signed into law. NCLB stops the terrorists!
The Patriots have won 3 Super Bowls since 9/11. The Patriots' winning has stopped terrorist attacks!!
That's interesting since I don't even listen to them. At least I presented points instead of just calling someone a liar.
Well, one of your points is a flat-out lie. Go do some research before you spout BS. Blanco DID issue a state of emergency well before the storm.
Your source of talking points failed you miserably.
Oh great professor, please explain to me the difference between a state of emergency and a national disaster. Can the president authorize the military to take over during a state of emergency? Or only a national disaster. Should the president just take over when the gov didn't ask for help? Had Bush sent troops in on day one, there would have been a cry that he's overstepping his bounds. He should mind his own business. We didn't ask for help. And they didn't ask for help. There are eye witness accounts prior to the hurricane that hundreds of buses were made available to evacuate those that couldn't afford to leave. They didn't go. But that's Bush's fault too.
I'm not a Bush fan nor do I listen to Lumberg, Hannity, or O'Reilley. But place blame where it goes.
I'm not a Bush fan nor do I listen to Lumberg, Hannity, or O'Reilley. But place blame where it goes.
Originally posted by: Scribe
As a 'letter to the editor' in a Reno newspaper..
I thought it was an interesting point, comparing the hurricane to a terrorist attack, and our preparedness should technically, have been the same for both. And it worries me it's this bad
Feel free to discuss.
If this were the case then maybe Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be running around the Middle East race baiting rather than doing it in Baton Rouge which would be a good thing.
How can a Gov. declare a National emergency? And, yes, the President has the authority, as spelled out in the National Response Plan, to send in military assistance after a Federal Disaster has been declared. AND, he can do it in such a way that it does not violate Posse Comitatus.
You are seriously ignorant of about any fact re: this whole situation. I highly recommend you go do some research before you continuing to embarrass yourself further.
Exactly! We'd enjoy the same sort of federal inneptitude that we experienced in New Orleans and Mississippi. Just think, all those billions upon billions of dollars on homeland security utterly wasted. We're no better prepared for a major terrorist attack than we were pre-9/11.
Pathetic.
I guess it's too much too expect you to see how Katrina can be seen as a "dress rehearsel" for our readiness and what can happen. I supported Afghanistan and getting OBL, but if Bush wasn't 100% positive of WMD's in Iraq, he should never have attacked them. It was a foolish thing to do and I expect more out of the leader of the free world then that.
Like I said we can debate our readiness but to use Katrina as proof we arent ready is foolish. Unless AQ lays waste to 90,000 square miles there will be little in common with how our reponse was to Katrina to a terrorist attack response.
The difference is that the hurricane is treated differently. The federal govt stays out of the state's business until the state requests it. If this were a terrorist attack it would be considered an act of war on the US and the federal govt would be involved from the get go. The response would be entirely different.
If Bush had gotten involved before the state requested it, the media would have said he should mind his own business.
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Scribe
As a 'letter to the editor' in a Reno newspaper..
I thought it was an interesting point, comparing the hurricane to a terrorist attack, and our preparedness should technically, have been the same for both. And it worries me it's this bad
Feel free to discuss.
I think the idiots in this country fail to realize that NO is but a small area of destruction that has been laid by this storm. I agree that the next time AQ lays waste to 90,000 square miles we will be completely unprepared to deal with the situation.
The media has sucessfully made people forget about the other 89000 square miles of destruction and focused in on a levee failure that was predicted days before the storm hit. Hell Discovery channel had a show on this very subject years ago. Everybody knew a CAT 5 hurricane would breach the levees.
I don't consider 80% of NO to be a small area, do you? That's right 80% of the city is flooded, is that small? Gen?
Actually, the Hurricane itself didn't cause that much damage it was a barge that crashed into to leeves and broke them.
How many square miles is 80% of the city?
Compare that to 90,000 square miles and tell me how big it is?
The city itself is about 122,200 and 80% of that is 97,760.
Not that what you've said has any relavance at all, the vast majority of the city is flooded contray to what you've said.
The county of Orleans is 182 square miles. Where did you come up with 122,000 square miles?
http://www.lapage.com/parishes/orlea.htm
Greater New Orleans is about 350 square miles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans
And yes what I have been saying has relevance on this subject. People are focusing on NO as if the rest of the area affected by this natural disater doesnt exist and doesnt calculate into the reponse by FEMA.
For reference of the destruction. Minnesota covers ~86000 square miles.
Okay? N.O is a high populated area, of course the news media is going go there first. Not mention, it's not like they're going to focus on the positive areas that didn't get hit, either. Why would they? The fact was that this is a disaster when you've got a major city in the united states that is now flooded, this isn't small by any means.
You can't expect the media to go ignore that bad news, it's not realistic at all.
I guess when you invest money you just take your stokebrokers word for what to invest in and don't bother looking at the fund's past preformance??
You exxageration of 90,000 square miles being laid to waste is also ridiculous. A large area was affected, but not laid to waste.
HA! I showed you to be ignorant of the facts. Only a fool would choose to remain ignorant. Are you a fool?
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Scribe
As a 'letter to the editor' in a Reno newspaper..
I thought it was an interesting point, comparing the hurricane to a terrorist attack, and our preparedness should technically, have been the same for both. And it worries me it's this bad
Feel free to discuss.
I think the idiots in this country fail to realize that NO is but a small area of destruction that has been laid by this storm. I agree that the next time AQ lays waste to 90,000 square miles we will be completely unprepared to deal with the situation.
The media has sucessfully made people forget about the other 89000 square miles of destruction and focused in on a levee failure that was predicted days before the storm hit. Hell Discovery channel had a show on this very subject years ago. Everybody knew a CAT 5 hurricane would breach the levees.
I don't consider 80% of NO to be a small area, do you? That's right 80% of the city is flooded, is that small? Gen?
Actually, the Hurricane itself didn't cause that much damage it was a barge that crashed into to leeves and broke them.
How many square miles is 80% of the city?
Compare that to 90,000 square miles and tell me how big it is?
The city itself is about 122,200 and 80% of that is 97,760.
Not that what you've said has any relavance at all, the vast majority of the city is flooded contray to what you've said.
The county of Orleans is 182 square miles. Where did you come up with 122,000 square miles?
http://www.lapage.com/parishes/orlea.htm
Greater New Orleans is about 350 square miles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans
And yes what I have been saying has relevance on this subject. People are focusing on NO as if the rest of the area affected by this natural disater doesnt exist and doesnt calculate into the reponse by FEMA.
For reference of the destruction. Minnesota covers ~86000 square miles.
Okay? N.O is a high populated area, of course the news media is going go there first. Not mention, it's not like they're going to focus on the positive areas that didn't get hit, either. Why would they? The fact was that this is a disaster when you've got a major city in the united states that is now flooded, this isn't small by any means.
You can't expect the media to go ignore that bad news, it's not realistic at all.
I never said they should, however they have apparently made many people forget the sheer magnitude of the disaster area. As witnessed by the letter to the editor that started this entire thread.
You cant say because our response to this was lackluster that the response to a terrorist attack will be also. We are talking about an area of destruction bigger than Minnesota. Quite simply it is very possible that the beuracracy was overloaded due to the sheer magnitude of the situation. I dont expect a terrorist attack to lay waste to the state of Minnesota. Thus I dont know if our system is any worse or better than pre-9-11 and using this as a basis for my decision would be foolish.
Still trying to figure out why you thought the land area of NO was 122,000 square miles.
And what do they call substanial damage? Some bridges out and power lines down? There are pockets of areas with substanial damage and they are spread out over a large area, but I don't believe for a minute that there are 90,000 square miles of substanial damage out there.
I also believe this event is a very good indicator of what would have went wrong if we had a real terrorist attack. Instead of arguing about it, we need to be learning from it.
Uh, yes I did. The Gov. issued a state of emergency on Aug. 26. Go look it up. All you posted was regurgitated talking points. But, go ahead and and keep posting to embarrass yourself. It's rather amusing.
That's pretty much why I started this thread, and as I figured it would happen, already people have jumped onto the Bush's fault vs. Local Government fault camps. And so the fight ensues. I think the most appropriate thing here to say is that at ALL levels of government, we are faced with UTTER INCOMPETENCE. The fact that government workers NEVER get fired is part of that, the fact that people get into politics to push their own agendas is another part of that, and the fact that some people are just fvcking stupid is ANOTHER part of it.
Either way, I digress... My concern here is pretty simple: Using Katrina as an example, would the US be prepared in any way to rescue and defend against terrorist attacks? And the answer here for me at least, is a resounding NO. I know the arguement "But we haven't had a terrorist attack in 4 years!!!" Well sorry buddy, but I think they are having a lot easier time killing our people in Iraq. Not to mention the fact that instead of targetting just the US (we aren't the ONLY country in the world you know...), they have targetted Spain, England, and many more places instead. The romantic idea that Osama hates only the US is lovely in the idiotic media we find nowadays, but the fact is that he's a nutjob that will do anything to cause harm to peaceloving people that just HAPPEN to live in democracies.
And there I go again, off topic... sorry about that. So much ignorance show in a thread open for only a little while and I'm amazed that some of these people are actually old enough to vote. Kind of scary when it comes down to it... just like the entire government -- municipal, state and federal -- because well... stupidity and incompetency run so deep at levels so high that to me, it's just frightening.
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