Interesting piece of Led Zeppelin trivia

Fritzo

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In the late 70's, punk music was taking over, and the younger bands looked upon groups like Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones as "old, bloated, rich dinosaurs". To prove that they could out rock any punk band, Jimmy Page and Robert Plant recorded the song Wearing and Tearing. The track was left off of their last album In Through the Out Door due to space contraints, so the band planned to release it as a single under a promoted fake "punk band" name to see what would happen.

With the death of their drummer John Bonham, these plans never came to be, but man- what an awesome joke that would have been.

Here's the song- it does rock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPkS2lXoYKQ
 
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mmntech

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Arguably, Communications Breakdown was one of the earliest punk styled songs. That was 1969. Zeppelin rules.
 

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Reminds me of how the song "Who Are You?" by the Who is about Pete Townshend getting wasted one night and bumping into members of The Sex Pistols at the height of their fame.
 

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Awesome!

Never heard of it... but I knew it was Robert Plant 2sec. into the lyrics.
 

Fritzo

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Arguably, Communications Breakdown was one of the earliest punk styled songs. That was 1969. Zeppelin rules.

That's what pissed them off so much about it- they invented that sound and the punk bands were going around saying they sucked :)
 
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That's what pissed them off so much about it- they invented that sound and the punk bands were going around saying they sucked :)

I'm not sure what the problem is. A lot of Zeppelin's stuff was different from that. You listen to most punk bands, and even their sappy stuff still sounds very punk-ish, while Zeppelin's stuff changed.

What I'm saying is, the punk people wanted a certain sound, and Zeppelin and other bands weren't doing that sound, so they did it themselves. This is pretty much typical in music. I mean, people trash on bands for not changing their sounds, but they also get trashed when they do.

Neither one is correct, they're just opinions. I don't think they questionned that Zeppelin could still rock but rather were criticizing them for changing. And let's face it, people speak in hyperbole a lot (so I don't like it becomes it totally sucks), and punk by its nature is anti-establishment, and by then Zeppelin was established.

You might as well point out that plenty of punk bands found financial success or that older people now like them (because they did when they were kids).

I really need to lay off the pontificating.
 

BUTCH1

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Awesome track, let's see if any of Zep's criticizers still have the following Zep still has today, I highly doubt it..
 

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Nice attempt, but the only thing releasing that song would have accomplished would have been to increase The Clash's following.
 

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Bullshit. MC5 released Kick Out The Jams in 1968 and is much closer to punk than the thing posted in the OP or Commincations Breakdown and this does not even go farther back to the garage bands like The Seeds which were really the pre-cursors to punk, well as far as I'm concerned anyway.

Led Zeppelin was a rock band that swiped blues songs and turned them into rock, plain and simple. They did it very well and there is no doubt about their place in history, but they have nothing to do with punk except providing a motivting force to unite punk bands.

KT
 

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Fritzo, this is much better:

Excerpt: 'Roadwork'

by Tom Wright
Chapter 17: The Grande
For destitute hillbillies, blacks, and immigrants, Detroit was the promised land of jobs, jobs, and more jobs. For young guys my age, it looked like a breeding ground for robots. A huge, dirty, mechanized world divided into eight-hour shifts, nothing to look forward to, but sweat, bondage, old age, and cancer. Turns out, everybody was right.
In Detroit, the urge to be different became the demand. Kids there knew from birth the strength and power of the group strike. Now, these kids were ready to join forces because the enemy was so obvious. It was simply Them.
In other cities, everyone was sneaking around smoking pot. In Detroit, they were rolling joints on the street. They went after pot-smoking like it was baseball, and at that time, there was more music per square inch in Detroit than anywhere in the country. So what started as the idealistic musical dream of beat poets and entrepreneurs on the West Coast surfaced in Detroit as assembly-line revolt, the birthplace and nursery for heavy metal. And the Grande Ballroom was the hatchery.
The Grande was special. It'd opened a year or so before the stock market crash, and from pictures found in its basement, you could see it'd once been suitable for royalty—all roses, white linen tablecloths, ball gowns, and tuxedos. All the big orchestras played there, including Louis Armstrong. Detroit had a lot of elegant ballrooms, many of them bigger, but the Grande was the last one built from that era of grand occasions, when weekends in a factory town meant elegance and élan.
By the 1950s, the neighborhoods near the Grande were ghettos, and the ballroom was boarded up, braced for the apocalypse. Soon, a slumlord who'd been buying up recently ghetto-ized properties bought the Grande at auction and rented the upstairs on weekends as a black skating rink. The oak dance floor held up, but everything else in the building was trashed. Eventually the landlord boxed up hundreds of roller skates in the basement, kicked everyone out, and hung plywood over all the windows and doors, inside and out. Nothing happened for ten years.
In the late '60s, Russ Gibb, a full-time high school teacher and part-time radio deejay, unshuttered the ballroom and brought music back to the Grande.
The shows were designed to nail your a— to the wall. Julie Driscoll, Joe Cocker, and Chuck Berry in one night. You knew as soon as you saw that lineup that you could get as high as you wanted and wouldn't be let down.. ...
Then there was Led Zeppelin's first two-night stand at the Grande on their debut American tour. Russ had talked up the band on the radio, calling them the "re-formed" Yardbirds and playing old Yardbirds records that were ho-hum at best. Nevertheless, a huge crowd arrived that Friday night for the "Led Birds," underestimating everything.
The band, their 300 pound manager, and a pair of roadies had shown up for soundcheck at four that Friday afternoon. Their equipment had not. It was still back at the airport in Boston. All they had was their guitars and a bass, which they'd hand-carried on the plane.
On the stage, testing their equipment, was the opening act, a four-piece pop band, kids from the suburbs setting up for their first big gig. Their mom-and-pop management team was down on the dance floor, coaching these raw kids through a squeaky version of "Good Rockin' Tonight."
Back in my office, the catering room in the ballroom's heyday, the huge English manager was making calls and hanging up on God-knows-who, while the Yardbirds retreads stood around chain-smoking and looking like they were about to face a firing squad. Eventually, it was determined that the gear would never arrive in time for the show and that all the music stores in Detroit had just closed, were about to close, and, no, they didn't know who Led Zeppelin was. Soon the managers-parents were in deep negotiations with the giant Englishman flanked by the spaced-out musicians from England. From across the dance floor, it looked like a mugging waiting to happen.
The kiddie band equipment was just that, Sears Roebuck-type stuff. Turns out, it wasn't even paid for; they were buying it on time. The parents' first reaction to the Led Zep proposition of borrowing their gear was no; they'd heard that bands from England break up their equipment. But after about thirty minutes of haggling, the Englishman finally gave them a deal they couldn't refuse: he'd pay them 300 bucks to use the drums and amps, and would give them a $1,000 deposit against any damages, and they could hold the cash. After all, Led Zeppelin would only play for an hour, and if they couldn't use the equipment, they'd have to cancel the show and the kids would lose their one big chance to play at the Grande.
The place was packed that night. I would never have guessed it, as the only thing the Yardbirds had going for them since Clapton had left was that they were from England. The kids played about half an hour and it was almost good, just bouncy, Top 40 stuff. They were so young, the audience loved them and were dancing along, smoking joints, laughing. During the break, the Zeppelin roadies went onstage and moved a couple of things, but there just wasn't much there. The vocal mics went into the house P.A.; Dave Miller fiddled with levels. The tiny amps and bright blue wedding reception drums would have to do.
As the band took the stage, strapping on guitars and adjusting things, Robert Plant apologized, humbly mumbling that their equipment was still in Boston, their record wasn't out, and generally setting up the packed crowd for a certified failure. The group was visibly scared as they launched their set, which amounted to their forthcoming album. But as Plant's voice and Jimmy Page's burning guitar filled the building, people were stunned, it was so good. No echo chambers, no wah-wah pedals. The band was on edge. They were using the same tools as the kids before them, yet everything about them was new. The look. The sound. The material. They didn't do one Yardbirds tune — and nobody even missed it.
The Grande audience emptied out into the city that night with news of the greatest band that had ever played the club.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9599650
 

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Bullshit. MC5 released Kick Out The Jams in 1968 and is much closer to punk than the thing posted in the OP or Commincations Breakdown and this does not even go farther back to the garage bands like The Seeds which were really the pre-cursors to punk, well as far as I'm concerned anyway.

Led Zeppelin was a rock band that swiped blues songs and turned them into rock, plain and simple. They did it very well and there is no doubt about their place in history, but they have nothing to do with punk except providing a motivting force to unite punk bands.

KT
this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM6nasmkg7A
 

LikeLinus

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I've always heard that LZ stole a bunch of their music, but I went and listen to some of the songs they ripped off and read something that talked about all of the lawsuits they lost or settled..it's freaking insane. I mean they straight up stole a bunch of music and called it their own. Something like 6 lawsuits resulted from their first album alone. They were flat out theives. I like LZ, but it's rather lame they were so unoriginal. Great musicians..but unoriginal.
 

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Bullshit. MC5 released Kick Out The Jams in 1968 and is much closer to punk than the thing posted in the OP or Commincations Breakdown and this does not even go farther back to the garage bands like The Seeds which were really the pre-cursors to punk, well as far as I'm concerned anyway.KT

Agreed. I wonder how many people here have ever heard MC5.

I've always heard that LZ stole a bunch of their music, but I went and listen to some of the songs they ripped off and read something that talked about all of the lawsuits they lost or settled..it's freaking insane. I mean they straight up stole a bunch of music and called it their own. Something like 6 lawsuits resulted from their first album alone. They were flat out theives. I like LZ, but it's rather lame they were so unoriginal. Great musicians..but unoriginal.

Considering how many albums they made that's a pretty lame assessment. You can fault them for not crediting the original composers - and they certainly weren't the first to do that, especially where blues tunes were concerned - but calling them unoriginal doesn't work. For one thing, many of the songs they 'stole' were heavily reworked. And how does that compare to, say, early Van Halen and all the covers they did? Or, to give another example, all the songs Eric Clapton has covered (with proper crediting, of course)?
 
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Agreed. I wonder how many people here have ever heard MC5.



Considering how many albums they made that's a pretty lame assessment. You can fault them for not crediting the original composers - and they certainly weren't the first to do that, especially where blues tunes were concerned - but calling them unoriginal doesn't work. For one thing, many of the songs they 'stole' were heavily reworked. And how does that compare to, say, early Van Halen and all the covers they did? Or, to give another example, all the songs Eric Clapton has covered (with proper crediting, of course)?

I remember MC5 back in the day, their music wasn't gonna get played on any top 40 AM station and AOR FM was just in it's infancy.
 

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Agreed. I wonder how many people here have ever heard MC5.



Considering how many albums they made that's a pretty lame assessment. You can fault them for not crediting the original composers - and they certainly weren't the first to do that, especially where blues tunes were concerned - but calling them unoriginal doesn't work. For one thing, many of the songs they 'stole' were heavily reworked. And how does that compare to, say, early Van Halen and all the covers they did? Or, to give another example, all the songs Eric Clapton has covered (with proper crediting, of course)?

Because they are thieves and liars. They flat out stole the music. Changing a riff here and there or in some cases almost nothing at all, then saying they totally wrote the whole thing?? You have no problem with that? They took credit for someone so the other person couldn't collect royalties from it. So not only were they stealing music, but they were also stealing money out of the hand of some poorer musicians that could have used the money.

No, there is a huge difference with Van Halen, Eric Clapton and Jimi Hendrix. Yes, they played and rewrote other musicians music, but they didn't STEAL it. They asked permission and gave credit where credit was due. LZ was trying to make themselves seem like great writers, when they really apparently were not. It's deception and flat out lame. There is a reason why the lost several court cases and had to settle out of court a bunch of times. They are thieves.

That said, I like LZ and always have, but it kind of sucks they were so unoriginal and stole so much. I'm cool with using other peoples music if you admit to it, but they denied it and lied. Even when Page was caught in some instances, he claims to have never heard the music.
 
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LOL, firefox meltdown. Weird.

Interesting.
 
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Marge: [On the London Eye] I don't think we'll find the kids from up here.
Homer: Let's just look. There's Big Ben; there's Piccadilly Circus; there's Jimmy Page, the greatest thief of American black music who ever walked the Earth; Oh, there's the kids.
 

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Marge: [On the London Eye] I don't think we'll find the kids from up here.
Homer: Let's just look. There's Big Ben; there's Piccadilly Circus; there's Jimmy Page, the greatest thief of American black music who ever walked the Earth; Oh, there's the kids.

Lol, awesome. :awe:

KT
 

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Never got into Zepplin. Bonham is nearly God-like but their music is just boring IMO. I'm a huge Stones fan though.

He might be 'god like' but my least favourite Zepplin tune of all time is Moby Dick , as soon as the drum solo starts it's fast forward time for me.