Interesting info about the "civilians" killed during Cast Lead

[SamurAchzar]

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"The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights" (PCHR) published the list of "civilians" - casualties of Operation Cast Lead. This Centre which is based in Gaza Strip, gathered comprehensive details regards the casualties - Although, chose to distort the findings. Instead of filing militants of terror organizations as "Militants" - it chose to file them as "Civilians".

It's the same Centre which claims: "The Zionist Occuption Forces Murder Civilians"; It's definitely not surprising for such Centre to spread lies for the purpose of demonizing the Israel Defense Forces. Until this very day, the media and human rights organizations, completely ignore IDF's statement regards the sum of militant casualties, and keep spreading the lie - "Most casualties were civilians".

Cross-checking the claim with the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, Reveals quite a bit of the truth. Nevertheless, it is only one of Hamas's militant wings. The Hamas has three militant wings: the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the Executive Police Force, and the "Morbiton". Not only the three militant wings of Hamas participated in the combat: the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades - participated as well."

Am I the only one not surprised? I stumbled into this site after reading an article saying PCHR (Palestinian Council for Human Rights -if there ever was an oxymoron..) claimed IDF killed 3 innocent Palestinians who looked to enter Israel for finding jobs.

Apparently, they had very interesting professions, as IDF recovered from the scene no less than 3 high power explosive charges and a rope ladder.

I'm beginning to feel Cast Lead fiasco is exactly like the Jenin operation in 2002, when the Palestinians claimed 2000 dead, at the end after doing a UN count they admitted it was about 50. I'm not disputing the 1300-odd dead in Cast Lead, I'm just saying they were predominately combatants. It is expected that there will be some civilians - more and less innocent, but civilians - in there, but not nearly as many as claimed by the Palestinians and Goldstone.

 

[FaaR]

What exactly is the point of your post? Why all this indignant outrage?

If you just discovered that partisan propaganda is partisan, then all I can say is, "hello! welcome to the real world! glad you could join us finally."

 

[SamurAchzar]

What exactly is the point of your post? Why all this indignant outrage?

If you just discovered that partisan propaganda is partisan, then all I can say is, "hello! welcome to the real world! glad you could join us finally."

Some parts of the public might have a skewed perception of Cast Lead as a slaughter of civilians because of such false information spread around by the Palestinians, for whom deception and lies is just another weapon.
Neither Goldstone or the Palestinians is really credible when it comes to civilian body count, which is a laughable concept anyway in a place where no one hardly wears uniform, regardless of activities.

 

[Red Dawn]

Some parts of the public might have a skewed perception of Cast Lead as a slaughter of civilians because of such false information spread around by the Palestinians, for whom deception and lies is just another weapon.

Actually most of the public couldn't give a shit one way or another.

 

[sandorski]

I wish both sides would STFU and(more importantly) the News Media would just leave the area and quit wasting my time on this unimportant nonsense.

 

[Borealis7]

i see your point, but still its an israeli site, so who do you believe?

its hard to tell who's really telling you the truth these days.

pictures lie, videos lie, the internet has the least amount of credibility, UN reports condemning israel are compiled with the "assistance" of Hamas' spokesperson.

those youtube videos the IDF put up during Cast Lead were somewhat convincing, but they only showed "good hits".

 

[FaaR]

Some parts of the public might have a skewed perception of Cast Lead as a slaughter of civilians because of such false information spread around by the Palestinians, for whom deception and lies is just another weapon.

Yes, yes. Those dastardly filthy lying palestinians... They should all be exterminated, like the vermin they are!

Please.

Who exactly does NOT spread skewed perceptions, misinformation and lies in regards to armed conflicts?

Perhaps you'd have a little more understanding for their situation if you mentally put yourself in their place. The average palestinian is forced to live in squalor and misery entirely due to israeli oppression. No wonder they try to generate sympathy any way they can. You would too, in the same situation.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Actually most of the public couldn't give a shit one way or another.

That`s just your opinion...I sure hope you didn`t appoint yourself spokesperson for the general public.....

 

[JEDIYoda]

Yes, yes. Those dastardly filthy lying palestinians... They should all be exterminated, like the vermin they are!

Please.

Who exactly does NOT spread skewed perceptions, misinformation and lies in regards to armed conflicts?

Perhaps you'd have a little more understanding for their situation if you mentally put yourself in their place. The average palestinian is forced to live in squalor and misery entirely due to israeli oppression. No wonder they try to generate sympathy any way they can. You would too, in the same situation.

obviously you know nothing about the Op or others of us who are from that region of the world.......

What`s obvious is the Op has quite a bit more understanding than you do of that region and the politics that play out everyday....

 

[ebaycj]

Actually most of the public couldn't give a shit one way or another.

Exactly. SamurAchzar is nothing more than a pro-Israeli tool. His words should carry no meaning to any who hear them. Everyone knows this, it cannot be denied.

 

[FaaR]

obviously you know nothing about the Op or others of us who are from that region of the world.......

"Obviously", how?

Besides, my knowledge of the OP as a person is quite irrelevant, as I wasn't talking about him personally, but rather his post. So please, find another victim to try out your strawman arguments on, I'm tired of you now.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

That`s just your opinion...I sure hope you didn`t appoint yourself spokesperson for the general public.....

I think he's right though.

Here is what "we" care about in no particular order. Sex, beer, sex, cheap gas, sports, sex, more beer, cars, sex, being oblivious, sex, money, a nice house, TV, sex.


Note that neither Palestine nor Israel make that list.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Actually most of the public couldn't give a shit one way or another.

That's why most of the international public does have an opinion on this conflict, or why it gets so much media coverage? Unless you claim media editors don't know what interests the public. And then I'll claim you're stupid.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Yes, yes. Those dastardly filthy lying palestinians... They should all be exterminated, like the vermin they are!

Please.

Who exactly does NOT spread skewed perceptions, misinformation and lies in regards to armed conflicts?

Perhaps you'd have a little more understanding for their situation if you mentally put yourself in their place. The average palestinian is forced to live in squalor and misery entirely due to israeli oppression. No wonder they try to generate sympathy any way they can. You would too, in the same situation.

How understanding of their situation you need to be, exactly, to accept them pulling crap as shown in the link I gave? Or do you think propaganda like this is a right way of struggle.

 

[SamurAchzar]

I wish both sides would STFU and(more importantly) the News Media would just leave the area and quit wasting my time on this unimportant nonsense.

Well, for such "time-wasting unimportant nonsense" you do seem to show great deal of activity in threads discussing this subject. When things aren't to your liking everyone should STFU and go home?

 

[Dari]

That's why most of the international public does have an opinion on this conflict, or why it gets so much media coverage? Unless you claim media editors don't know what interests the public. And then I'll claim you're stupid.

Most international opinion is anti-Israeli. That sentiment is starting to filter into the United States. Of course, the occasional terror strike pushes it back. So, instead of having one propaganda piece expose another propaganda piece, it'd be in your (political) interest to have a bomb go of in Jerusalem or somewhere in Israel so it can get in the way of my football games.

Yeah, there's nothing better than enjoying a good game with my fiancee then seeing blood, ambulances, tears, and men with long beards rushing past the camera on my new HDTV.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Most international opinion is anti-Israeli. That sentiment is starting to filter into the United States.

Where did you get this information? For all that I know, the public opinion of Israel today, in the Al Qaeda era, with the Islamization of Europe, is much better than it has ever been.

Of course, the occasional terror strike pushes it back. So, instead of having one propaganda piece expose another propaganda piece, it'd be in your (political) interest to have a bomb go of in Jerusalem or somewhere in Israel so it can get in the way of my football games.

When you have Muslims blowing US airplanes out of the sky, that is hardly needed. You people get your own job done very well there.

 

[Dari]

Where did you get this information? For all that I know, the public opinion of Israel today, in the Al Qaeda era, with the Islamization of Europe, is much better than it has ever been.

People aren't stupid. They know how to separate the Palestinian-Israeli conflict from the Al Qaedas of the world. They know who the 'bad' guys are in that conflict and it's usually the guys that are the aggressors and have a kill ratio of 10 to 1.

When you have Muslims blowing US airplanes out of the sky, that is hardly needed. You people get your own job done very well there.

Again, some may combine the two but for most (Americans), it is the terrorists that are the aggressors. Of course, in Europe, they blame us for all the terrorism in the world. Either way, things aren't good for your Israeli side. Believe it or not but we can actually think for ourselves and don't need you telling us who to believe.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Believe it or not but we can actually think for ourselves and don't need you telling us who to believe.

Sure, sure, yet some people around the world are too stupid for their own good, and buy the Palestinian propaganda in bulk. For them I made this thread. It's always nice to know well informed people like you exist, though. Enjoy your new HDTV.

 

[Lemon law]

Lets see what has been proven so far, a whole three probable terrorists wrongly classified as civilians were found to possess explosives after death.

Which therefore excuses all those children and pregnant woman Israel killed because they were probable terrorists too.

But wait, I forgot, Palestinian propaganda is biased and so is Israeli propaganda. Another amazing revelation.

But hey happy new year, soon we will enter year sixty two of the long running Israel Palestinian conflict without a glimmer of a just settlement in sight. Some things are just very reliable, almost like ants at a picnic or mosquito after dark.

 

[FaaR]

How understanding of their situation you need to be, exactly, to accept them pulling crap as shown in the link I gave? Or do you think propaganda like this is a right way of struggle.

I didn't give any moral judgement to their practice at all. I just said it's to be expected they act like this, because it is. If you're desperate, you try anything.

Besides, propaganda lies are pretty harmless, so what are you REALLY so outraged about? It's not like it killed anyone, unlike, say, bombing cities with white phosphor weapons.

 

[Patranus]

If only the USA would use these tactics to secure its borders.

 

[FaaR]

Most international opinion is anti-Israeli.

Anti-Israeli government, I would hope, although the world is still full of antisemitic prejudice.

Israel's government is of course largely to blame for this, with its draconian policies towards the occupied territories. It could become problematic in the future; Israel is needed as a good example of the west in the middle east, but with crackpot hardliners like Netanyahu running the show that's never going to happen.

 

[theflyingpig]

If only the USA would use these tactics to secure its borders.

Mexicans, believe it or not, are a step above Palestinians on the human-o-meter. We have to treat them with a little more dignity. Just a little though. Everyone knows this.

 

[JEDIYoda]

"Obviously", how?

Besides, my knowledge of the OP as a person is quite irrelevant, as I wasn't talking about him personally, but rather his post. So please, find another victim to try out your strawman arguments on, I'm tired of you now.

thats nice....the situation is very simple...
some of us are from that part of the world and know first hand what is and is not true in that bregion of the world. some of us have relatives and family still living in israel and surrounding countries.
So you lack of knowledge concerning the OP is very relevant. in fact lets say -- Check mate!!