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Interesting Firefox/YouTube issue

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destrekor said:
Did you ever run it in Windows?



Did you ever run it in Linux?
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I've used it in both. In Windows until 2008 in Windows and GNU/Linux until 2009, and GNU/Linux exclusively until present. I get your point about O/Ss though, and I imagine it affects it to some extent, but I've never had a memory issue. and LoL at Ichinisan. Hundreds of megabytes to a gigabyte? That's called normal operation on the modern web. VirualBox is a real piece of shit. When I was running Win8 in it, it used 2gb+, and you wouldn't believe the disk space used! :^D
 
lxskllr said:
I use the userscript version of YoutubeCenter, and everything plays in html5 for me. Sometimes I have to refresh the page to get the video to play, but they always play.
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Interesting. I do have Greasemonkey and will give that a try.

Edit- Tried the script version and I get the same problem using HTML5. I'm just wondering if HTML5 is supported in FF 19?

Edit 2- This told me HTML5 works in FF19. http://html5test.com/index.html

Edit3- LOL! I enabled allow the googlevideo scrip and now it seems to work!
 
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lxskllr said:
I've used it in both. In Windows until 2008 in Windows and GNU/Linux until 2009, and GNU/Linux exclusively until present. I get your point about O/Ss though, and I imagine it affects it to some extent, but I've never had a memory issue. and LoL at Ichinisan. Hundreds of megabytes to a gigabyte? That's called normal operation on the modern web. VirualBox is a real piece of shit. When I was running Win8 in it, it used 2gb+, and you wouldn't believe the disk space used! :^D
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The problem is, you could close all your tabs, and all of that RAM was still taken up on the system!

I had this problem with SeaMonkey. I used to heavily "persistently browse". Hundreds of tabs open, sometimes for weeks at a time. And eventually, it would consume all physical RAM in Win2K. I only had 768MB at the time. Then I would attempt to close some tabs, and it would actually even get worse. Trying to close the browser entirely, would then take literally hours.

The problem was in the design, which worked AGAINST modern VM / paging systems. It would frob the entire memory heap, etc., every time you closed a tab or opened one, in a misguided attempt to find memory to free up. It would have been better to just allocate the RAM and leave it be. Let it get paged out to disk, and keep the "active" tabs' data in RAM.
 
the newest firefox does have problems like that but chrome outright cant play some youtube videos, you just get stuttering.
 
VirtualLarry said:
The problem is, you could close all your tabs, and all of that RAM was still taken up on the system!

I had this problem with SeaMonkey. I used to heavily "persistently browse". Hundreds of tabs open, sometimes for weeks at a time. And eventually, it would consume all physical RAM in Win2K. I only had 768MB at the time. Then I would attempt to close some tabs, and it would actually even get worse. Trying to close the browser entirely, would then take literally hours.

The problem was in the design, which worked AGAINST modern VM / paging systems. It would frob the entire memory heap, etc., every time you closed a tab or opened one, in a misguided attempt to find memory to free up. It would have been better to just allocate the RAM and leave it be. Let it get paged out to disk, and keep the "active" tabs' data in RAM.
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Hundreds of tabs open at the same time? For weeks on end? That um...seems a little amped up compared to your average user.
 
OBLAMA2009 said:
the newest firefox does have problems like that but chrome outright cant play some youtube videos, you just get stuttering.
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I've had youtube videos play just fine today, maintaining 53 tabs open like I have now across two Chrome windows.
I've actually not suffered stuttering in a long while. Last time I did, it was because I had like over a hundred tabs in Chrome, and probably around 50 open in firefox. Most of those firefox tabs were high in media or interactive content. Some in Chrome likely were too, especially once the flash ads are factored in.

That, plus the computer having an uptime of a few days, with all those tabs persistent, started to cause streaming video stuttering, oh, and also a GPU kernel panic (display driver crash) though, like that instance, things usually pop up a split second afterward as the driver recovers 2D acceleration potential... yeah, all of that kind of caused Windows/the display driver/both browsers to start freaking out over resources and fail to reach any deals with each other. A reboot and all was well in the world, even loading up those very same sessions in both browsers.


If you get video stuttering, I urge you to look into your GPU driver and see if a fresh clean install of the latest version doesn't help solve that problem. It's absolutely not a Chrome issue.
 
Ichinisan said:
I do not believe you. I used no plugins for years and years, but I always knew what was up when my system was thrashing. I would open about:blank in a new tab and close all other tabs; and still find that firefox.exe was still using several hundred MB or even 1GB+ of RAM. This persisted through several major updates over multiple years.

It was notorious for doing this because it did this to EVERYONE. You were simply ignorant of it, or your browsing habits prevented it from reaching that point (completely closing out of Firefox every time you load a new page?).
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I never noticed it either from a performance standpoint. I was aware of the problem from forums and news sites, and I observed firefox using quite a bit of memory in my own computer, but it never used enough to impact my user experience I suppose. Not saying it wasn't a problem, but since it didn't do anything noticeable I didn't see a reason to get bent out of shape over it.
 
destrekor said:
I've had youtube videos play just fine today, maintaining 53 tabs open like I have now across two Chrome windows.
I've actually not suffered stuttering in a long while. Last time I did, it was because I had like over a hundred tabs in Chrome, and probably around 50 open in firefox. Most of those firefox tabs were high in media or interactive content. Some in Chrome likely were too, especially once the flash ads are factored in.

That, plus the computer having an uptime of a few days, with all those tabs persistent, started to cause streaming video stuttering, oh, and also a GPU kernel panic (display driver crash) though, like that instance, things usually pop up a split second afterward as the driver recovers 2D acceleration potential... yeah, all of that kind of caused Windows/the display driver/both browsers to start freaking out over resources and fail to reach any deals with each other. A reboot and all was well in the world, even loading up those very same sessions in both browsers.

If you get video stuttering, I urge you to look into your GPU driver and see if a fresh clean install of the latest version doesn't help solve that problem. It's absolutely not a Chrome issue.
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its was a well known issue, maybe they fixed it, i havent used chrome in a while because of it. it didnt happen with every video every time
 
lxskllr said:
... and LoL at Ichinisan. Hundreds of megabytes to a gigabyte? That's called normal operation on the modern web. ...
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Do you recall that this is *after* opening a new tab to about:blank and closing all other tabs? There's not even a back buffer to occupy memory.
 
John Connor said:
I have a question. I have an addon for FF called YouTube Center and one of the options is to allow videos to play in HTML5. I have done that, but some videos won't play. I'm using FF 19 portable. I will update later and see if it's compatible with my addons. But in the mean time I was wondering if FF 19 had HTML5 in the first place and explains why some videos aren't working.
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Time to upgrade scro. FF portable changes every time a new version comes out. Older versions may make you susceptible to javascript drivebys and NSA/FBI holes over TOR just like Chrome.
 
destrekor said:
the point was trying to make a comparison. I had no idea if it was a cross-platform issue, thus i was trying to check. I knew lxskllr was a regular linux user, your habits were unknown to me. 😉
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why don't you know everything, insolent whelp?

😉 😀
 
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FelixDeCat said:
Time to upgrade scro. FF portable changes every time a new version comes out. Older versions may make you susceptible to javascript drivebys and NSA/FBI holes over TOR just like Chrome.
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Well, I'm not worried about Java script drive bays as I use Noscript.
 
John Connor said:
Well, I'm not worried about Java script drive bays as I use Noscript.
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yeah unfortunately nothing works with javascript disabled D:

I now use QuickJava to disable on the fly. You can also disable cookies, flash, cs styles, etc. with an on/off button.

I used to use noscript, but it was and pain in the asp having to whitelist 99,000 actions for every damn site, of which only 1 needs to be hacked for you to be done doggystyle by the Feds or Chinese/Russians.

That being said, only and idiot would use js over tor (or Chrome for anything).
 
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Ehh, it's just Flash sucking a big fat one. A Flash update made it so I had to rebuffer the video if I wanted to back track. Pain in the friggin ass since my internet isn't on the stable, nor fast side of things.

That said, I've been a Firefox user since 2008, through it's ups and downs. Had a pretty nasty memory leak for awhile, but I didn't want to lose some of the customizations I've made, so I stuck with it. Still a memory hog, but it doesn't slowly consume excessive amounts of RAM
 
Zodiark1593 said:
Ehh, it's just Flash sucking a big fat one. A Flash update made it so I had to rebuffer the video if I wanted to back track. Pain in the friggin ass since my internet isn't on the stable, nor fast side of things.

That said, I've been a Firefox user since 2008, through it's ups and downs. Had a pretty nasty memory leak for awhile, but I didn't want to lose some of the customizations I've made, so I stuck with it. Still a memory hog, but it doesn't slowly consume excessive amounts of RAM
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Yeah, flash updates always cause issues for a few days until Mozilla patches Firefox to fix it. That's the one thing I like about Chrome more than Firefox. In pretty much every other way I find Chrome worse, other than it might be speedier in some instances, but its usually the site or more local internet speed that's the issue as far as that goes (on PC at least).

Oddly, I never had a memory leak issue with Firefox even back when it was supposedly so prevalent, but I think I do now. I routinely find it hogging memory like a bastard, and even when I close tabs and things down to like 3 tabs it'll still be using over a GB of RAM. I watch quite a bit of video though and I think that's what causes it to balloon up (often find FlashPlayerPlugin using several hundreds of MB itself, killing it and then reloading the pages helps sometimes). A restart usually helps although it seems like it uses quite a bit of RAM from the getgo. I also had my stuff reset and had to reinstall add-ons after Sync f'ed up and wouldn't let me see the Captcha. But it didn't take long to get everything back to how it was.

Chrome uses memory quite a bit on me as well (I generally use Firefox for normal browsing and Chrome for watching Netflix and when I want to visit a site without trying to figure out which of the 100 scripts I need to enable to get the site to function right).
 
Jodell88 said:
Chrome ships with its own version of the flash plugin that uses PPAPI instead of the NPAPI.
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Yeah I know. That's great since it helps a lot with compatibility. Not a big problem for me since Mozilla updates and fixes whatever issue the Flash update caused within about a week, and its been less and less problematic each time. But for family that doesn't know what's going on I usually recommend Chrome. Now if I could just get my nephews to stop installing toolbars and other BS.
 
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FelixDeCat said:
yeah unfortunately nothing works with javascript disabled D:

I now use QuickJava to disable on the fly. You can also disable cookies, flash, cs styles, etc. with an on/off button.

I used to use noscript, but it was and pain in the asp having to whitelist 99,000 actions for every damn site, of which only 1 needs to be hacked for you to be done doggystyle by the Feds or Chinese/Russians.

That being said, only and idiot would use js over tor (or Chrome for anything).
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Well, I allow top level domains by default. So it lessens the cumbersomeness. It's a great addon and in fact when this site was hacked it blocked the script that was being used. I do have Quick java too, but I only use it to disable Java.
 
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