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Interesting ATI forecast at FS

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R300:Chip of many names?

Of course, ATI is rumored to be ready for this contingency, should it occur. The pipelines within the X800 graphics core can be disabled without affecting the rest of the chip. Because of this, it?s believed ATI may answer the GeForce 6800 with an 8-pipeline X800 SE board of their own. For right now though, the GeForce 6800 is the king of the lower half of the high-end segment.
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What would the difference between this and the 9800/9800Pro/9800XT be? Different RAM and core speed?
 
No, it will share the model naming scheme.
We WOULD NOT let them keep the R360 and just give it a X??? name.

People bought the FX 5200 thinking they were getting a good deal.
People bought the GF4MX thinking they were getting a good deal.
People bought the 9600SE thinking they were getting a good deal.
etc.
 
Um
F-Buffer2(rotflmao)
3dc compression(virtually worthless)

That alone makes it worth like 100 dollars more than the 9800 🙂
 
Presumably, it would hit much higher core speeds than a 9800XT, and would have somewhat improved SM2.0 performance (along with the other relatively minor new features in the X800 core, like 3DC). It may also be equipped with faster RAM than a 9800XT. Of course, it will also have ATI's adapative trilinear filtering, which offers a noticeable performance increase (and a slight IQ hit in some applications).

Also, this is not 'news' by any means. The X800SE has been talked about for quite a while.
 
It seems to me that rather than putting out a midrange card based on the same core (like a 9500), ATi is just putting out different cards with different.....apellations (is that the right word). So, instead of a X800SE, they should have a X600Pro instead of this garbage where the X600Pro is just a 9600Pro with PCI-E. Doesn't it seem to anyone that ATi and Nvidia just seem to be concentrating on their high-end cards right now? Heck, I haven't even heard about any mid-range cards from Nvidia based on the same core as the 6800. I mean, all cards of the 9800/9600 or the 5900/5600/5200 cards are all based on the same cores, just crappier with some features removed. Why is ATi using last-gen cores for their next-gen midrange and low-end cards?
 
This is usually how it works. it is much easier to build the top of the line first and then scale back to create the budget cards. Also, the budget cards my bring home the bacon, but the performance crown is the head turner that will make people buy a brand X video card over brand Y. it is good to be the overall performance leader for sales at all levels.
 
I wonder if there is a market for 4 6800 variants (vanilla, GT, U, UE) above a $300 price level. But then again, I said I would never pay $30,000+ for a car.
 
Not very impressive at all. It actually looks like Nvidia's new architecture does less work per clock compared to it's old NV3X - as the 12 pipelines have trouble going against 4. This is some massive BS.
 
Originally posted by: VIAN
Not very impressive at all. It actually looks like Nvidia's new architecture does less work per clock compared to it's old NV3X - as the 12 pipelines have trouble going against 4. This is some massive BS.
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Why do you say that Vian? This is their value card that's MSRP $300.. Do you know of some other cards that are MSRP $300 right now that will be a better value?
 
Rumor has it that the SE will be 128bit memory bus. So, if that is true, the SE is probably a slightly faster card than X600pro in normal situation and is a little bit faster than 9800 pro in shader-intensive and shadow-intensive(ala Doom3) games.
 
Why do you say that Vian? This is their value card that's MSRP $300.. Do you know of some other cards that are MSRP $300 right now that will be a better value?
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I'm not talking about value. And if it was about value, the 9800 Pro at 200 gives that card competition in the value sector. The price alone plus a simple OC can overtake that card that sports 4 more pipelines and can't OC for it's life.

Anyway, I'm not talking about value. From a technical standpoint, next gen cards always do more work per clock cycle, but it doesn't seem to be the case here.
 
All I can say is that the 6800GT would be the card of choice for me if I was in need of a vid card, but even at that I can't walk-out and buy one today.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Um
F-Buffer2(rotflmao)
3dc compression(virtually worthless)

That alone makes it worth like 100 dollars more than the 9800 🙂
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Oh, you've played with 3Dc to make that statement?
 
Rather than making dumbass crippled value cards, I think ATI should concentrate on a refresh of the R420 that incorporates SM 3.0 and possibly some media encoding/decoding capabilities to get their feature list up to par with nVidia's.
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Rather than making dumbass crippled value cards, I think ATI should concentrate on a refresh of the R420 that incorporates SM 3.0 and possibly some media encoding/decoding capabilities to get their feature list up to par with nVidia's.
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SM 3.0 support will likely entail more than a refresh, 60mil transisitors IIRC for NV4x.

R420 has media encoding/decoding features. Have you seen (or anybody) a review of 6800x or X800 media features?, I've yet to see a comprehensive analysis of either cards multimedia feature set....still waiting.
 
Originally posted by: rbV5
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Rather than making dumbass crippled value cards, I think ATI should concentrate on a refresh of the R420 that incorporates SM 3.0 and possibly some media encoding/decoding capabilities to get their feature list up to par with nVidia's.
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SM 3.0 support will likely entail more than a refresh, 60mil transisitors IIRC for NV4x.

R420 has media encoding/decoding features. Have you seen (or anybody) a review of 6800x or X800 media features?, I've yet to see a comprehensive analysis of either cards multimedia feature set....still waiting.
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I haven't read anything hinting that the x800 will be able to encode MPEG2 or MPEG4, which is all anybody really cares about right now.
 
I haven't read anything hinting that the x800 will be able to encode MPEG2 or MPEG4, which is all anybody really cares about right now.
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I think WMV decoding is pretty high on many lists considering HD WMV 1080p pretty much brings all but the stoutest rigs to their knees.

Hardware assisted MPEG-2 encoding was introduced with r300, but was only enabled on AIW cards and amounts to only able to offload about 10-20% of the total MPEG-2 encode from the CPU Link but also offered hardware filtering using Video Soap, this is also enabled for MPEG-4 encoding.

ATI relies on the Pixel Shader pipeline for video acceleration Link and ATI claims:
With VIDEOSHADER? HD, RADEON? X800 graphics technology takes advantage of its advanced shader processing engine for user programmable video effects, video quality enhancement, and encoding and decoding of many video standards, including MPEG1/2/4, Real Media, DivX and WMV9. Link

Enough with the claimed features already. Myself, I want to see the respective implementations, how they perform and which software is required to exploit the functionality. ATI cards have been around for a bit now, and the NV cards are slowing showing up now....where's the reviews?
 
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
only the 4200 wasn't targeted at the $400 range... 4200 of the future? well not quite, more like the 9700 np
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Err, MSRP on 6800s is $300, not $400.

Oops I see you were talking about GTs, but GTS aren't comparable to 4200s. (they're comparable to 4400s) (I don't consider the Extreme a big part of the product line, 6800>GT>Ultra is what most people will have an opportunity to buy. If I'm wrong on this, someone point it out please)

When you consider MSRP on the GF4s in 2001 was$200>$300>$400, and the GF6s in 2004 is $300>$400>$500, it seems about right.

(someone has to pay for all those burned up OCd RMAs) 😉
 
Its the 4200 of the future.
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That's what they said about the 5900, and then the 5900 XT, but we are still referring to it as the 4200. There will probably never be anything like it again.
 
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
only the 4200 wasn't targeted at the $400 range... 4200 of the future? well not quite, more like the 9700 np
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Err, MSRP on 6800s is $300, not $400.

Oops I see you were talking about GTs, but GTS aren't comparable to 4200s. (they're comparable to 4400s) (I don't consider the Extreme a big part of the product line, 6800>GT>Ultra is what most people will have an opportunity to buy. If I'm wrong on this, someone point it out please)

When you consider MSRP on the GF4s in 2001 was$200>$300>$400, and the GF6s in 2004 is $300>$400>$500, it seems about right.

(someone has to pay for all those burned up OCd RMAs) 😉
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He said the 6800 GT was the 4200 of the future, not the 6800. His point stands.
 
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