Interesting article on Hawking Radiation and black holes:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/03/opinions/lincoln-hawking-black-holes/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/03/opinions/lincoln-hawking-black-holes/index.html
I listened to an astronomer giving a talk on the black hole paradox this summer when I was at Michigan State. The basic gist of the talk was that Einstein said that there were four things you had to take into account, and if you neglected one of them, you would be left with a paradox - Hawking neglected one, and that's why he created this paradox. But, when you account for that fourth thing, the paradox goes away. I was drinking beer, not taking notes, so I don't recollect exactly what those four things are.
I saw this earlier but got lost. Could someone be kind enough to give me the dummy version?
I'm not anti-beer, but I quickly found out that going to lunch during the work day and having a beer, was not conducive to doing detailed work, like spreadsheets and relational databases. I soon decided that beer drinking was best confined to after work activities. But thank you for your recollection, much as it is.I listened to an astronomer giving a talk on the black hole paradox this summer when I was at Michigan State. The basic gist of the talk was that Einstein said that there were four things you had to take into account, and if you neglected one of them, you would be left with a paradox - Hawking neglected one, and that's why he created this paradox. But, when you account for that fourth thing, the paradox goes away. I was drinking beer, not taking notes, so I don't recollect exactly what those four things are.
No, I was there a week before that though; at the Physics of Atomic Nuclei program. Got to see and learn really cool stuff, plenty of tours of the National Superconducting Cyclotron Laboratory, behind the scenes look at all the work they're doing on FRIB (Facility for Rare Isotope Beams). I spent a week in awe at so many of the things that weren't conceived of even a decade ago.Were you at State for the big Scout meeting?
The article:Hawking proposed that information is lost in black holes, and not preserved in Hawking radiation.[2] Susskind disagreed, arguing that Hawking's conclusions violated one of the most basic scientific laws of the universe, the conservation of information. As Susskind depicts in his book, The Black Hole War was a "genuine scientific controversy" between scientists favoring an emphasis on the principles of relativity against those in favor of quantum mechanics.[1] The debate led to the holographic principle, proposed by Gerard 't Hooft and refined by Susskind, which suggested that the information is in fact preserved, stored on the boundary of a system.
He is countering the claim that the black hole gobbles and destroys the information by positing that the information never actually falls into the black hole. Instead, the information is held on the black hole's surface -- the event horizon.
This is an intriguing thought and is analogous to how holograms are made. Holograms are two-dimensional sheets of, for example, plastic that can make three-dimensional images.
Black holes are to physicists as dinosaurs are to geologists. Not really any practical value to it.
There is better money if you devote your career to bombs or oil. Kind of sad really.
Black holes are to physicists as dinosaurs are to geologists. Not really any practical value to it.
There is better money if you devote your career to bombs or oil. Kind of sad really.
Preservation of matter and energy I've heard, what is their definition of information?
Why is it sad? Studying this shit is expensive as fuck and time consuming for no real return on that initial investment.
Black Hole stuff is a lot of intellectual circle jerking because there is very little actual experimentation that we can actually do, so we're mostly left with theoretical math and any random crazy idea that a physicist can manage to shove into the numbers.
Quantum state. Preservation of matter and energy at its core.
Also, so very relevant.
http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2075#comic
Hawking's statement avoids the black hole firewall problem w/o invoking wormholes as Susskind and I think Maldacena have proposed. But I thought that bh's were supposed to be singularities - iow, infinitely dense points in space-time. This seems to toss that idea out the window. So how do manage to get a singularity which isn't a singularity but a hollow sphere?
You really didn't have to go to the effort to post a real response to a guy who's regularly shown he already knows it all.Perhaps you should say, "no guaranteed return on that initial investment." Pure science research has tons of spin-off technologies that wouldn't exist without someone exploring the unknown. It wasn't much more than 100 years ago when pure science research led to the discovery of the electron. How important was that?? How about the pure research that led to an understanding of quantum mechanics? How many devices wouldn't we have today without the pure science research that was done? (Almost all technology). Who knows what technologies may be gained from a better understanding of the most basic physics? Hell, just exploring atomic nuclei has led to tons of medical equipment and procedures - radioactive isotopes used in treatments as well as scans, machines like MRIs, etc. - I mentioned above some of the stuff I had the ability to participate in earlier in the summer. It's ironic that someone might say to those researchers who are exploring atomic nuclei, "why don't you do something useful like learn to cure cancer?" And, the answer is, "why, yes, this research we're doing actually has spun off into a new way to treat cancer."