Interesting Acura RL long-term review at C&D

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Hmmm, if this had been a GM or a Ford, they would have stoned it
Twenty years ago, Honda launched the Acura Legend, the first Japanese sedan to challenge the European luxury establishment. In 1996, the Legend evolved into the RL. Built through 2004, the RL posed no serious threat to its German rivals until the redesigned model appeared in 2005. That RL wound up on our 10Best list. And last May, it beat up some serious German middleweights ? the Mercedes E350, BMW?s 530i, an Audi A6 4.2 ? but still came up short to an Infiniti, the impressive M45. In 2006, the Acura fell off our 10Best list.

We acquired an ?05 RL in February of that year. It cost $49,670 and came in only one form, no options: four-wheel drive, sunroof, a navigation system, xenon headlamps, and a Bose sound system with a six-CD changer. But now you can add run-flat tires and adaptive cruise control (with a collision-mitigation feature that automatically applies the brakes).

We hit the road and started piling on the miles. Unfortunately, after only two weeks and 3456 miles on the clock, we found ourselves at the dealer?s door because the RL?s sunroof got stuck with its rear edge open in the vent position. The dealer couldn?t fix it, but we had to be in New Orleans pronto, so we took the MacGyver route, spending $1.68 for the sticky silver stuff and duct-taping the thing shut.

Back home at 5222 miles, we got our Michigan dealer to fix the sunroof properly by replacing the motor assembly. There was no charge, as the RL comes with a four-year/50,000-mile warranty. The dealer also performed recalls involving the stereo speakers in the doors and updated the real-time traffic-control unit and the onboard computer. Just 600 miles later we found ourselves back at the dealer when the right-front window and outside-mirror mechanisms stopped working. The dealer ordered a new master switch to get them working again, but we kept driving the car and forcefully adjusted the mirror manually.

The service intervals on the RL are determined by an oil-life monitoring system, and your style of driving determines when and what gets serviced. Our first service came at 7032 miles and consisted of an oil and oil-filter change for a frugal $34. The maintenance computer called for subsequent services every 7000 to 8000 miles. Most were just oil and oil-filter changes, except for the work done at 29,748 miles, which involved a thorough inspection of the RL and new air filters in the cabin and engine. All five scheduled services over 40,000 miles set us back $427. Not much, but there are luxury automakers ? BMW, Audi ? who offer this maintenance as part of the purchase price.

We were back at the dealer two weeks and 1400 miles after our first scheduled service because the master power switch had arrived by carrier pigeon, apparently, and soon our faulty window and mirror were working again. Two thousand miles later the sunroof quit a second time. The dealer blamed it on a loose electrical wire. A month and a half and 5000 miles later, we were once again enhancing our budding relationship with the man from Acura. This time the side-view mirrors and both power outlets weren?t working, and the interior trim on the B-pillar was loose because it hadn?t been properly reattached at the previous visit. The trim was put back in place. The power-outlet problem turned out to be a blown fuse, but the dealer had to order a new mirror switch. That switch took more than a month to arrive and required two days at the dealership to replace it. All these minor failures were fixed under warranty.

Maybe we should have moved in with Mr. Acura, because at just over 33,000 miles, the left rear headrest wouldn?t stay up, the power outlets were once again on the blink, the driver?s-side washer-fluid nozzle needed realignment, and the navigation system was rebooting itself while in use. The dealer dutifully cured all these ailments and took care of three factory recalls that involved reprogramming the OnStar and AcuraLink software and the transmission for a fourth-gear-upshift problem.

Still, all these dealer visits didn?t reduce the RL?s popularity around the office, and the Acura continued to be the chariot of choice for long-distance trips. The logbook was full of testimony concerning its quality seats, deemed not only comfortable but also supportive when the driving grew spirited. The combination of a relaxing interior and superb sound system made long grinds easier to take in one sitting.

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We took delivery of the RL at the outset of winter and promptly threw on a set of snow tires to make maximum use of the SH-AWD (Super-Handling All-Wheel-Drive) system. On slippery surfaces, the RL accelerated hard and oversteered a bit in corners. Summer or winter, the car had a nice blend of all-wheel-drive traction and rear-wheel-drive handling dynamics. The navigation system also got considerable praise. Finding ourselves hungry in strange locales, we could easily find a Zagat-endorsed restaurant.

Complaints, yes, we got complaints. The ignition knob on the steering-wheel column seemed a dumb idea and left at least two editors stranded with a dead battery because they hadn?t turned the knob all the way off. In a car with a traditional ignition, they wouldn?t have been able to remove the key and kill the battery. Several folks here also barked about the programmable driver preferences for the seat and steering-wheel positions, door lock and unlock settings, and lighting choices. Confusingly, some of these were accessed via the navigation screen, and others were controlled through a screen in the instrument cluster by buttons on the steering wheel.

As usual, we took the RL back to the test track after 40,000 miles, and it had gotten a tick slower over time. Its 0-to-60 run went from 6.3 to 6.4 seconds, and the quarter-mile pace went from 14.8 to 14.9 seconds at 95 mph. Skidpad grip was unchanged at 0.87 g.

There was no retribution by C/D staff for the eight unscheduled visits to the dealer. The Acura RL continued to be a staff favorite for comfy trips, short or long. The Acura suffered from a lot of minor problems ? dare we reach for the ?teething? metaphor? ? that would nonetheless rate as a major pain to a ?real life? owner, even though this swift, adroit cruiser benefited from a faultless and slick powertrain. Eliminate the small stuff, and the RL compares quite favorably with its German and Japanese rivals.

Rants and Raves

SCOTT MOSHER
The seats in the RL can make a 10-hour haul a pleasure. They wrap around you wonderfully and are not as stiff as their German competitors, and yet they offer just as much support and grip.

TONY QUIROGA
Ignition knob is unnecessary. Should have a starter button.

PATTI MAKI
This is a beautiful car. I get a lot of compliments and people wanting to know how I like it. I happily take the compliments and pretend it?s my own car.

PHILIP MOSHER
Vehicle driven approximately 1300 miles around Lake Michigan. Very nice on the road. GPS is fantastic.

K.C. COLWELL
How very unlike Acura: We ran out of room in the service section of the logbook. Great stereo, though.

DAVE VANDERWERP
The front seats are great! Seem to have the perfect balance?comfy enough for the long haul or daily grind and supportive enough to have a chance of keeping you in place when attacking on-ramps.

TONY SWAN
I have to say keyless ignition is ridiculous, particularly this example. You still have the column lock, plus the question of where to stow the key fob. What?s the benefit?


Baubles and Bolt-Ons
BLOCK HEATER: A block heater is an electrical device used to reduce wear and tear of cold start-ups in freezing weather by keeping your car?s engine somewhat warm overnight, but without running the engine. This system is a dealer-installed accessory ($212). It has a small glow-plug-like probe that threads into the engine block to heat the coolant. Unlike other setups, such as Webasto?s BlueHeat ($1500) that burns gasoline to provide engine heating, this block heater uses an ordinary extension cord that plugs into an opening just beyond the grille. Plug it in at night, and the next morning, make sure you don?t forget to unplug it. We weren?t able to measure its wear-and-tear effect, but the engine did start smoothly and produce cabin heat more quickly than without it.

DVD-AUDIO: Our RL was equipped with DVD-Audio, a six-channel surround-sound setup, rather than the usual two-channel stereo. Long the equipment of the home stereophile, DVD-Audio promises sound quality far superior to that of a CD. (Like a lot of people, we didn?t realize our CDs needed improvement.) For sunny days, with the windows and sunroof open and the wind whipping past your head, DVD-Audio is worth a try. As expected, the gap between a CD and DVD-Audio is proportional to volume. DVD-Audio shows its guts at cochlea-bruising levels, with sound details that normally don?t make it out of the recording studio. If you want the ultimate sound experience when you travel, this technology is for you. Just be prepared to search for DVDs. When we inquired at Best Buy and Circuit City, we got blank stares. You?ll likely have better luck on the Web. These special discs generally cost $2 to $5 more than CDs, and beware?they can only be played on systems designed for them.

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2005 ACURA RL
Vehicle type: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
Price as tested: $49,670 (base price: $49,670)
Engine type: SOHC 24-valve V-6, aluminum block and heads, port fuel injection

Displacement: 212 cu in, 3471cc
Power (SAE net): 290 bhp @ 6200 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 256 lb-ft @ 5000 rpm
Transmission: 5-speed automatic with manumatic shifting
Wheelbase: 110.2 in
Length/width/height: 193.6/72.7/57.2 in
Curb weight: 4015 lb

Performance: new, 40,000
Zero to 60 mph 6.3 sec 6.4 sec
Zero to 100 mph 16.3 sec 16.6 sec
Street start, 5?60 mph 6.9 sec 7.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile 14.8 sec 14.9 sec
@ 95 mph @ 95 mph
Braking, 70?0 mph 169 ft 179 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad 0.87 g 0.87 g
Top speed (governor limited) 133 mph 133 mph
EPA fuel economy, city driving 18 mpg
C/D-observed fuel economy 21 mpg
Unscheduled oil additions 0 qt
Service and repair stops:
Scheduled 5
Unscheduled 8
Operating costs (for 40,000 miles):
Service $427
Normal wear $0
Repair $0
Gasoline (@ $2.55 per gallon) $4857
Life expectancies
(estimated from 40,000-mile test):
Tires 60,000 miles
Front brake pads 70,000 miles
Rear brake pads more than 100,000 miles

http://www.caranddriver.com/longroadtes...ng-term-test-review-2005-acura-rl.html
 

ElFenix

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i wonder how much honda advertising is in their mag?
 

sindows

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Have any of you ever driven a RL? Besides the power deficiency, its a great car. For an "old man" suspension setup, it does remarakbly well when pushed hard(little body roll despite it being a "cushy" car). If they firmed up the suspension a bit, they'll have a winner in the handling department. The V6, although not that torquey, delivers its power extremely smoothly (more so than BMW's I6s IMO which are considered some of the smoothest engines around). The engine loves to reach for its upper range and makes a wonderful noise while doing so. I've always felt that Acuras made some of the better sounding cars and this is no exception. Overall, I think I like it because its just so refined and precise.
 

FeuerFrei

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I see no undue praise. I guess Acura isn't ready to be a serious luxury brand yet.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: sindows
Have any of you ever driven a RL? Besides the power deficiency, its a great car. For an "old man" suspension setup, it does remarakbly well when pushed hard(little body roll despite it being a "cushy" car). If they firmed up the suspension a bit, they'll have a winner in the handling department. The V6, although not that torquey, delivers its power extremely smoothly (more so than BMW's I6s IMO which are considered some of the smoothest engines around). The engine loves to reach for its upper range and makes a wonderful noise while doing so. I've always felt that Acuras made some of the better sounding cars and this is no exception. Overall, I think I like it because its just so refined and precise.

way to not at all respond to the criticism leveled at the car.
 

Thegonagle

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I've been reading Car and Driver pretty religiously since I was 15. They like BMWs and Hondas. Their BMWs tend to have a lot of problems, too, and they still pile on the praise.

I'm not left with the impression that they criticize cars very much, even American cars, for needing to go to the dealership for unscheduled repairs, especially if it's covered by warranty. They're just very factual about it, much like they are in this article. But since you seem to think otherwise, why not dig up some evidence to support your hypothesis?
 

paulney

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I was checking out RL while picking up the new TL at the dealership. Man, that's one cluttered center console.
 

Kelvrick

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Seems like they had some repair problems and aside from that, only the lack of push button start.

I'll reserve the bashing for a more widebased reliability report, this could have been an isolated incident.
 

Demon-Xanth

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I like C&D because they will ADMIT a bias, and give you the ability to read around it. They did a 5 sport coupe round up and awarded the Acura RSX the top spot even though it got it's ass handed to it in pretty much every performance test and knocked on the Neon w/ the autocross package for being tuned too much for an autocross. (ya think?) But if you read through the article you can spot which car suits you best, and what "adjustments" can be made to make a car much better (ie: the stock WRX tires sucked hard)
 

Nebor

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Not suprising. Luxury cars aren't meant to be trouble free, from Acura to Rolls Royce, they've all got problems.

The problem is, Acura's aren't fun to drive. So, a BMW with problems or an Acura with problems? Give me the Ultimate Driving Machine any day.
 

RichUK

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Not suprising. Luxury cars aren't meant to be trouble free, from Acura to Rolls Royce, they've all got problems.

The problem is, Acura's aren't fun to drive. So, a BMW with problems or an Acura with problems? Give me the Ultimate Driving Machine any day.

I like your BMW way of thinking ;)
 

TheAudit

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They said why they liked the car.
It would be a completely different story if they (or you) owned the car and had to put up with those issues.

And this was in last month's issue.
Someone crank out the Kia long term tester report from this month.
 

z0mb13

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Originally posted by: RichUK
Originally posted by: Nebor
Not suprising. Luxury cars aren't meant to be trouble free, from Acura to Rolls Royce, they've all got problems.

The problem is, Acura's aren't fun to drive. So, a BMW with problems or an Acura with problems? Give me the Ultimate Driving Machine any day.

I like your BMW way of thinking ;)

Did u find out if u are gonna get the new 3 series coupe?
 

SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: TheAudit
They said why they liked the car.
It would be a completely different story if they (or you) owned the car and had to put up with those issues.

And this was in last month's issue.
Someone crank out the Kia long term tester report from this month.



One of the major flaws with reviews of products is that the reviewer is never dependant on the item. This was not the only car the reviewers had, so having it in the shop every month (and missing a day of work) is never an issue.
 

fbrdphreak

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That's too bad, considering the RL is the only AWD sedan Acura makes (correct?). I'd rather not have a near 300HP FWD car, so that left only the RL. $50K, sporadic problems, and near 7-second 0-60? No thanks!
 

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Originally posted by: loup garou
Sounds like pretty typical new-model bugs to me. Especially with as many gizmos as that car has.

how many ways can honda really design a sun roof? or window and mirror controllers? or a head restraint? those should not have bugs, they've been doing those things for decades.
 

RichUK

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Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: RichUK
Originally posted by: Nebor
Not suprising. Luxury cars aren't meant to be trouble free, from Acura to Rolls Royce, they've all got problems.

The problem is, Acura's aren't fun to drive. So, a BMW with problems or an Acura with problems? Give me the Ultimate Driving Machine any day.

I like your BMW way of thinking ;)

Did u find out if u are gonna get the new 3 series coupe?

yeah unfortunately it is the older model, this car was ordered back in January. :(

Ohh well i have a brand new BMW 330CI + Sports Pack coming, and a fuel card. All for free, im still happy. :D

What I would have loved is a 645CI with sports pack, or an X5 + Sports pack .. **Drools**.

Unfortunately those models were not on the list.

Seriously that 6 series with the right alloys and paint job is just sex right there!

What I really really want to drive or have :)P) is the brand new Range Rover sport, now that is a mans car.
 

z0mb13

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Originally posted by: RichUK
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: RichUK
Originally posted by: Nebor
Not suprising. Luxury cars aren't meant to be trouble free, from Acura to Rolls Royce, they've all got problems.

The problem is, Acura's aren't fun to drive. So, a BMW with problems or an Acura with problems? Give me the Ultimate Driving Machine any day.

I like your BMW way of thinking ;)

Did u find out if u are gonna get the new 3 series coupe?

yeah unfortunately it is the older model, this car was ordered back in January. :(

Ohh well i have a brand new BMW 330CI + Sports Pack coming, and a fuel card. All for free, im still happy. :D

What I would have loved is a 645CI with sports pack, or an X5 + Sports pack .. **Drools**.

Unfortunately those models were not on the list.

Seriously that 6 series with the right alloys and paint job is just sex right there!

What I really really want to drive or have :)P) is the brand new Range Rover sport, now that is a mans car.

is it a company car? u sure u cant change it?
 

RichUK

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Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: RichUK
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: RichUK
Originally posted by: Nebor
Not suprising. Luxury cars aren't meant to be trouble free, from Acura to Rolls Royce, they've all got problems.

The problem is, Acura's aren't fun to drive. So, a BMW with problems or an Acura with problems? Give me the Ultimate Driving Machine any day.

I like your BMW way of thinking ;)

Did u find out if u are gonna get the new 3 series coupe?

yeah unfortunately it is the older model, this car was ordered back in January. :(

Ohh well i have a brand new BMW 330CI + Sports Pack coming, and a fuel card. All for free, im still happy. :D

What I would have loved is a 645CI with sports pack, or an X5 + Sports pack .. **Drools**.

Unfortunately those models were not on the list.

Seriously that 6 series with the right alloys and paint job is just sex right there!

What I really really want to drive or have :)P) is the brand new Range Rover sport, now that is a mans car.

is it a company car? u sure u cant change it?

Yeah it is a compnay car, im almost certain i can't change it. It's a 4 year or 70,000 mile ownership joby.
 

z0mb13

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Originally posted by: RichUK
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: RichUK
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: RichUK
Originally posted by: Nebor
Not suprising. Luxury cars aren't meant to be trouble free, from Acura to Rolls Royce, they've all got problems.

The problem is, Acura's aren't fun to drive. So, a BMW with problems or an Acura with problems? Give me the Ultimate Driving Machine any day.

I like your BMW way of thinking ;)

Did u find out if u are gonna get the new 3 series coupe?

yeah unfortunately it is the older model, this car was ordered back in January. :(

Ohh well i have a brand new BMW 330CI + Sports Pack coming, and a fuel card. All for free, im still happy. :D

What I would have loved is a 645CI with sports pack, or an X5 + Sports pack .. **Drools**.

Unfortunately those models were not on the list.

Seriously that 6 series with the right alloys and paint job is just sex right there!

What I really really want to drive or have :)P) is the brand new Range Rover sport, now that is a mans car.

is it a company car? u sure u cant change it?

Yeah it is a compnay car, im almost certain i can't change it. It's a 4 year or 70,000 mile ownership joby.

That is too bad.. anyways u will love it
I drive a 2003 330ci.. and the car is just a blast to drive!
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: RichUK
yeah unfortunately it is the older model, this car was ordered back in January. :(

Ohh well i have a brand new BMW 330CI + Sports Pack coming, and a fuel card. All for free, im still happy. :D

What I would have loved is a 645CI with sports pack, or an X5 + Sports pack .. **Drools**.

Unfortunately those models were not on the list.

Seriously that 6 series with the right alloys and paint job is just sex right there!

What I really really want to drive or have :)P) is the brand new Range Rover sport, now that is a mans car.

the US has joe 6-pack, the UK has edward 3-series
 

Thegonagle

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Originally posted by: ElFenix


how many ways can honda really design a sun roof? or window and mirror controllers? or a head restraint? those should not have bugs, they've been doing those things for decades.

You're right; these things really shouldn't have ploblems. However, if I may play Devil's advocate for a moment, what if the window and sunroof are integrated with the security/power lock system, and the mirrors and head restraints are integrated with the power seat memory? It appears to be old tech, but the implementation may be all-new.

It's like bloatware, but for cars--and we all know how buggy new bloatware tends to be. (But it'll get fixed in subsequent releases. ;) )