Discussion Intel's past, present and future

[yottabit]

Wonder how the conversation went that led to Holthaus leaving.

LBT: Why isn't there HT in Arrow Lake?

Holthaus: The architects decided it wasn't worth wasting time over.

LBT: Do you have any idea how it makes Intel look to have only 24 threads vs. 32 from AMD?

Holthaus: But ours are real cores. Half of their compute threads are virtual SMT threads.

LBT: Optics matter!

Holthaus: Umm, maybe they do. Maybe they don't. Sales have been good. People acknowledge that we have a strong product.

LBT: Sales have been good??? Not being in the top ten of Amazon sales is good???

Holthaus: *silence*

LBT: I have to do what's good for the company's future. Pack your stuff up!

LBT: What do you mean you aren’t respinning Pentium 4 on 18A?

Engineering Team:…

LBT: You’re fired!

</ IGOR’S DREAM>

 

[Fenixgoon]

Intel top management was littered by cringe DEI female executives. LBT is cleaning the house. Michelle Johnston Holthaus being the latest to go.

PS: Other executive appointments:

PPS: Intel future is no longer technology, but politics now?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1965145150063325469

Anyone using "DEI" these days immediately loses credibility in their arguments.

If you can point to specific decisions made by her that were (obviously) in error, then go ahead at level criticism on the technical merits (or lack of) in that decision.

Otherwise, you're steeping your argument in misogyny.

There are a bazillion incompetent (white) male CxOs and yet we never call them DEI hires.

Shit, I'll run Tesla for a fraction of what Musk is being paid and I'm pretty sure I could get better results.

 

[Thunder 57]

Ouch! Surprised this post wasn't blastest into the ether. I thought she was qualifified but perhaps not. There is no shortage of (usually) women posting on Tik Tok "A Day in The Life" while doing almost no work. "Adult day care" I've heard it called.

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Anyone using "DEI" these days immediately loses credibility in their arguments.

If you can point to specific decisions made by her that were (obviously) in error, then go ahead at level criticism on the technical merits (or lack of) in that decision.

Otherwise, you're steeping your argument in misogyny.

There are a bazillion incompetent (white) male CxOs and yet we never call them DEI hires.

Shit, I'll run Tesla for a fraction of what Musk is being paid and I'm pretty sure I could get better results.

To hell with DEI. If I need a surgeon I want them to be merit based, not some fill a quota person. If the person falls into the DEI crowd, great! If not, also great. I get the best care possible either way.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Wonder how the conversation went that led to Holthaus leaving.

Probably didn't end with -

 

[511]

Wonder how the conversation went that led to Holthaus leaving.

LBT: Why isn't there HT in Arrow Lake?

Holthaus: The architects decided it wasn't worth wasting time over.

LBT: Do you have any idea how it makes Intel look to have only 24 threads vs. 32 from AMD?

Holthaus: But ours are real cores. Half of their compute threads are virtual SMT threads.

LBT: Optics matter!

Holthaus: Umm, maybe they do. Maybe they don't. Sales have been good. People acknowledge that we have a strong product.

LBT: Sales have been good??? Not being in the top ten of Amazon sales is good???

Holthaus: *silence*

LBT: I have to do what's good for the company's future. Pack your stuff up!

I don't think it's only due to ARL it's also due to moving Tile to TSMC N2 from Intel 18AP as well

 

[Fenixgoon]

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To hell with DEI. If I need a surgeon I want them to be merit based, not some fill a quota person. If the person falls into the DEI crowd, great! If not, also great. I get the best care possible either way.

"No DEI"
Ok, so fewer (white) men in positions of privilege and power
"No, not like that!"

"Merit" as it is currently used is basically a proxy for wealth.

Who do you think will score better in school and lead a "successful " life? A child who has access to infinite resources including study tutors for every possible topic, or a child who is wondering whether they will have breakfast on the table tomorrow?

The current POTUS and RFKJr. are literally posting children for the real "DEI hires" being rich, incompetent white men.

 

[itsmydamnation]

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To hell with DEI. If I need a surgeon I want them to be merit based, not some fill a quota person. If the person falls into the DEI crowd, great! If not, also great. I get the best care possible either way.

Man I'm so disappointed in people....

How are we this shit as a species?

 

[brycejones]

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To hell with DEI. If I need a surgeon I want them to be merit based, not some fill a quota person. If the person falls into the DEI crowd, great! If not, also great. I get the best care possible either way.

Evidence of surgical positions being handed out to "fill a quota person"? Medical schools and then specialty residencies are incredibly competitive.

 

[Thunder 57]

"No DEI"
Ok, so fewer (white) men in positions of privilege and power
"No, not like that!"

"Merit" as it is currently used is basically a proxy for wealth.

Who do you think will score better in school and lead a "successful " life? A child who has access to infinite resources including study tutors for every possible topic, or a child who is wondering whether they will have breakfast on the table tomorrow?

The current POTUS and RFKJr. are literally posting children for the real "DEI hires" being rich, incompetent white men.

Massive inequality sucks.

Man I'm so disappointed in people....

How are we this shit as a species?

Thank you for reminding me why I don't post here.

Evidence of surgical positions being handed out to "fill a quota person"? Medical schools and then specialty residencies are incredibly competitive.

I would hope so, but not all fields are. Hell Joe Biden himself said his supreme court pick had to be a black woman. Why make it political? Just appoint a qualifed black soman and be done with it.

 

[511]

At least we are on Page 69 for this discussion

 

[brycejones]

I would hope so, but not all fields are. Hell Joe Biden himself said his supreme court pick had to be a black woman. Why make it political? Just appoint a qualifed black soman and be done with it.

So you agree your DEI surgeon example was baseless?

Why be political in a political campaign is an interesting question........

 

[cytg111]

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To hell with DEI. If I need a surgeon I want them to be merit based, not some fill a quota person. If the person falls into the DEI crowd, great! If not, also great. I get the best care possible either way.

So DEI is a short term effort for increasing the pool long term, you get that right? For a target demographic - for example; establishing a culture among white people of operating an abacus too so not ALL the stem jobs goes to Asians forever.

We know you been called dumb and stupid, real dumb and real stupid, your hole life "white boys cant count" and so on, you probably havent even had a chance to finish school real good either.

But we know you as good at counting as anyone else - if you just get the chance to prove it. So we going to help you break this circle we put your people in. Poor white people. Will help you count again.

(see? I *AM* a comedian).

 

[igor_kavinski]

I wish Intel would appoint me as CEO due to DEI. Never been an Igor_Kavinski CEO at Intel. Give me my chance, Intel!

Anyhow, I will only work remotely. They can provide me with StarLink. And give me a satellite phone for urgent calls.

They will have a six hour window every day to interact with me. Outside of that, I'll fire off emails and stuff but they have to wait for the communication window to be sure to get an instant reply back from me.

 

[itsmydamnation]

Thank you for reminding me why I don't post here.

Accepting stupidity is why America is currently butt fucking its own citizens.

There is always inherent bias, The fact you guys run to DEI not the far more prevalent ones like nepotism which for example is basically the entire US fraternity structure is the tell.....

 

[Thunder 57]

Accepting stupidity is why America is currently butt fucking its own citizens.

There is always inherent bias, The fact you guys run to DEI not the far more prevalent ones like nepotism which for example is basically the entire US fraternity structure is the tell.....

Nepotism is the worst. It never ends well and I've seem some boneheaded examples. I'm wary of family owned businesses. But what is worse, nepotism or stock buybacks like Intel? They all suck.

 

[cytg111]

Hey what about shorting and high frequency trading?

 

[regen1]

Intel Is Losing Its Second Xeon Chief Architect This Year​

https://www.crn.com/news/components-peripherals/2025/intel-is-losing-its-second-xeon-chief-architect-in-eight-months

 

[hal2kilo]

Heck, this is a company that thought Rambus was a revolution in memory so there's that also.

 

[GunsMadeAmericaFree]

How do you guys think that the government's partial ownership of Intel will impact it long term? Do you think it will overall help or harm the company?

 

[511]

How do you guys think that the government's partial ownership of Intel will impact it long term? Do you think it will overall help or harm the company?

It's entirely in Intel's hand Hand the government is just one of the way to keep the fabs alive.
And if you ask me there is no leading edge fab in the world without Favourable policy and government support.

 

[511]

How do you guys think that the government's partial ownership of Intel will impact it long term? Do you think it will overall help or harm the company?

Nice name btw

 

[Panino Manino]

Heck, this is a company that thought Rambus was a revolution in memory so there's that also.

What was the problem with Rambus?

 

[UNCjigga]

What was the problem with Rambus?

In a word, greed. In 2 words, greed and latency. DDR/2 solved the bandwidth issues without introducing as much latency and was cheaper to make without those pesky licensing fees.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Rambus still somehow made its way into the PS3 though. I guess they either fooled the PS3 architects (maybe bribed even?) or the needed bandwidth couldn't be delivered to the PS3 Cell CPU any other way.

Rambus Technology is Adopted in PLAYSTATION®3 Computer Entertainment System

XDR™ and FlexIO™ interface solutions deliver unprecedented performance in latest computer entertainment system Rambus Developer Forum, Tokyo,

www.rambus.com

 

[fastandfurious6]

Intel Is Losing Its Second Xeon Chief Architect This Year​

https://www.crn.com/news/components-peripherals/2025/intel-is-losing-its-second-xeon-chief-architect-in-eight-months

RIP Intel 🪦