Discussion Intel's past, present and future

[igor_kavinski]

Probably something to do with the Portland area being a liberal hell hole, amirite?

No idea about that honestly.

 

[hal2kilo]

No idea about that honestly.

Should have put an /s in there. Anyway, I used to work on a sub base, sailors get used to working all kinds of screwed up hours, one of the first places some of the sailors who got out, or retired, went to the Intel fab in Beaverton (Portland suburb) because they would offer oodles of overtime for not that great of pay to work at that fab.

 

[brycejones]

Probably something to do with the Portland area being a liberal hell hole, amirite?

Portland still exists? I thought it was sacked and burned by the antifas.

 

[manly]

Its not. GlobalFoundries have fabs in Vermont and New York.

In addition;

IIRC the U.S. is still top 5 in semiconductor manufacturing volume, despite Taiwan's leadership. Older process nodes are perfectly adequate for the chips used in those critical industries you quoted.

But older nodes don't really cut it if you want to sell CPUs and GPUs, which has been one of Intel's problem for a while.

 

[Pens1566]

Portland still exists? I thought it was sacked and burned by the antifas.

It's been destroyed and rebuilt at least 3 times over by now.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Researcher downloaded the data of all 270,000 Intel employees from an internal business card website — massive data breach dubbed 'Intel Outside' didn't qualify for bug bounty

Eaton Z made sure Intel had closed up all the unearthed security gaps before divulging this research.

www.tomshardware.com

Shameful. Not only did Intel not pay this person for the outstanding work done in exposing their lax website security, they took months to plug the breach.

 

[marees]

Softbank reportedly considered buying Intel's foundry division outright before investing $2 billion into the company as equity​

News
By Hassam Nasir published 15 hours ago
Softbank already owns ARM.

the Financial Times reports that just days before the deal was inked, Softbank actually considered buying Intel's foundry division outright.

Intel received that CHIPS Act money on the promise of never spinning off the fabs the funds directly impacted, as they serve an important geopolitical role in the race for bleeding-edge semiconductors.

Intel is one of the last companies in the cutting-edge process race with TSMC, whose roots in Taiwan have provoked long-simmering concerns about its vulnerability and the stability of leading-edge semiconductor supply in the event that China should invade the island in pursuit of reunification.

Softbank reportedly considered buying Intel's foundry division outright before investing $2 billion into the company as equity

Softbank already owns ARM.

www.tomshardware.com

Apparently, Softbank was stonewalled by Intel's CHIPS Act funding. In 2024, Intel entered an agreement with the US Department of Commerce to receive funding under the Biden Administration's CHIPS and Science Act. The company was granted $7.86 billion in funds on condition that Intel will maintain at least 50.1% stake in IFS if it ever sought to spin it off as a separate company.

Softbank Wanted to Buy Intel's Entire Foundry Division Before Settling for $2B Stake

Softbank wanted to buy out the entire foundry division of Intel, which the company refers to as Intel Foundry Services (IFS), but settled for a $2 billion equity stake in the company, Tom's Hardware reports citing Financial Times. This aligns with a long-held industry view that Intel is spinning...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[UNCjigga]

If I were Trump, flexing his newfound unitary executive power, I’d force Intel to divest all fabs and foundries to a wholly US-owned joint venture with TSMC. Then I’d give visa “gold cards” to every single Taiwan-based TSMC employee to provide permanent residence for them and their families in the US, in order to staff up this joint venture.

By the time China takes over Taiwan, TSMC would be a US-based company. Sure, they’d lose all the established fabs, but their intellectual property and human capital would be preserved.

 

[marees]

If I were Trump, flexing his newfound unitary executive power, I’d force Intel to divest all fabs and foundries to a wholly US-owned joint venture with TSMC. Then I’d give visa “gold cards” to every single Taiwan-based TSMC employee to provide permanent residence for them and their families in the US, in order to staff up this joint venture.

By the time China takes over Taiwan, TSMC would be a US-based company. Sure, they’d lose all the established fabs, but their intellectual property and human capital would be preserved.

There is a third party here. The Taiwan govt. They are not on board with the plan to take over Intel foundries

 

[DZero]

There is a third party here. The Taiwan govt. They are not on board with the plan to take over Intel foundries

Also, their own people... if they feel that China AND US acts hostile to them (even with the Golden visas, the US can't avoid the potential hostilities of their own trumpist cult), they will flee to countries that support them like Paraguay or go to Europe.

 

[IronWing]

Also, their own people... if they feel that China AND US acts hostile to them (even with the Golden visas, the US can't avoid the potential hostilities of their own trumpist cult), they will flee to countries that support them like Paraguay or go to Europe.

Or build their own nuclear weapons capability and tell the rest of the world to go f’ themselves.

 

[Thunder 57]

Or build their own nuclear weapons capability and tell the rest of the world to go f’ themselves.

How'd that work out for Iran?

 

[brycejones]

How'd that work out for Iran?

How has it worked out for North Korea? Iran never got the bomb

 

[Thunder 57]

How has it worked out for North Korea? Iran never got the bomb

That was my point. Iran tried to develop them as a deterrance but before they could the one's who can do no wrong attacked them. If they had them no way they would've gone in.

 

[cytg111]

I'm sorry but I don't have the time or inclination to try to reach you with logic and the history of failed liberal socialist states and the corruption liberalism and it's ideas produce. Just look at every liberal run city in the US if you need another example of the destruction it causes. While I don't know you, by your remarks I'm pretty sure you are unreachable so further debate is pointless.

Be well my friend.

Scandinavia.

Game, Set and Match.

Least corrupt place on the planet. And according to your definitions is probably straight up communism.

 

[cytg111]

How'd that work out for Iran?

No. How did that work out for Israel?

It worked out fine for Israel after putting in the billions into something like the AIPAC, you know to make American politics it's bitch.

 

[Hulk]

Scandinavia.

Game, Set and Match.

Least corrupt place on the planet. And according to your definitions is probably straight up communism.

You are still unreachable but I will try once again.

Scandinavia is a region not a country but I assume you are talking about countries like Denmark. Denmark is a free market capitolist state with a heavy welfare system. The funds needed for it's welfare state are generated from... capitolism. Yes that's right. And people own land.

Danes pay an effective marginal tax rate of 56 percent plus a 25% VAT tax on every item plus some goods like coffee, beer, and chocolate have additional taxes! Denmark has billionaires and they can pass along their wealth without inherantance tax. Hardy socialist.

In short the Scandinavian countries are not socialist, they are market capitolists with huge tax rates that support a big welfare system.

Why don't you mention Cuba, Venezuela, or the multitude of of other failed actually socialist states? Capitolism IS the only things that feeds the people, keeps the hospitals and schools open, and drives innovation, production, and wealth for everybody.

Keep ranting against the system that provided you with the phones, computers, food, and other things that allow you to live and rant against it. That makes a lot of sense.

 

[Fenixgoon]

You are still unreachable but I will try once again.

Scandinavia is a region not a country but I assume you are talking about countries like Denmark. Denmark is a free market capitolist state with a heavy welfare system. The funds needed for it's welfare state are generated from... capitolism. Yes that's right. And people own land.

Danes pay an effective marginal tax rate of 56 percent plus a 25% VAT tax on every item plus some goods like coffee, beer, and chocolate have additional taxes! Denmark has billionaires and they can pass along their wealth without inherantance tax. Hardy socialist.

In short the Scandinavian countries are not socialist, they are market capitolists with huge tax rates that support a big welfare system.

Why don't you mention Cuba, Venezuela, or the multitude of of other failed actually socialist states? Capitolism IS the only things that feeds the people, keeps the hospitals and schools open, and drives innovation, production, and wealth for everybody.

Keep ranting against the system that provided you with the phones, computers, food, and other things that allow you to live and rant against it. That makes a lot of sense.

Capitalism, left to its own devices, would keep you just fed enough, just clothed enough, and just healthy enough to work as much as possible before you finally die. Any debt you accumulate would be passed to your children, who then have to work until they die, and so on. In short, unregulated capitalism will result in wage slavery.

Capitalism, on its own, does not care about the health of the world. If there's money to be made, and toxic waste needs to be dumped into rivers and oceans, well, that's not capitalism's problem.

This is why heavy regulation and taxation are needed for capitalism to work in the long run. And even then, modern capitalism is inherently unsustainable. It expects infinite growth. We are estimated to be using 1.6 Earth's worth of resources. A new system needs to emerge that puts sustainability and environmental preservation at the forefront

 

[marees]

Capitalism, left to its own devices, would keep you just fed enough, just clothed enough, and just healthy enough to work as much as possible before you finally die. Any debt you accumulate would be passed to your children, who then have to work until they die, and so on. In short, unregulated capitalism will result in wage slavery.

Capitalism, on its own, does not care about the health of the world. If there's money to be made, and toxic waste needs to be dumped into rivers and oceans, well, that's not capitalism's problem.

This is why heavy regulation and taxation are needed for capitalism to work in the long run. And even then, modern capitalism is inherently unsustainable. It expects infinite growth. We are estimated to be using 1.6 Earth's worth of resources. A new system needs to emerge that puts sustainability and environmental preservation at the forefront

Simply put

• Capitalism = not for the people. It is capital for its own sake
• Democracy = in theory it has "for the people" — but this bit is actually socialism
• State = the entity that has monopoly on all violence
• Elections = the bread & circus that has replaced "for the people" in a democracy. in practice you get to choose who gets to wield the monopoly of violence

 

[dank69]

You are still unreachable but I will try once again.

Scandinavia is a region not a country but I assume you are talking about countries like Denmark. Denmark is a free market capitolist state with a heavy welfare system. The funds needed for it's welfare state are generated from... capitolism. Yes that's right. And people own land.

Danes pay an effective marginal tax rate of 56 percent plus a 25% VAT tax on every item plus some goods like coffee, beer, and chocolate have additional taxes! Denmark has billionaires and they can pass along their wealth without inherantance tax. Hardy socialist.

In short the Scandinavian countries are not socialist, they are market capitolists with huge tax rates that support a big welfare system.

Why don't you mention Cuba, Venezuela, or the multitude of of other failed actually socialist states? Capitolism IS the only things that feeds the people, keeps the hospitals and schools open, and drives innovation, production, and wealth for everybody.

Keep ranting against the system that provided you with the phones, computers, food, and other things that allow you to live and rant against it. That makes a lot of sense.

Part of the problem here is that you don't understand what socialism is. If you did, you wouldn't bring up inheritance tax in relation to it. I'm reminded of a very well-known meme:

 

[brycejones]

You are still unreachable but I will try once again.

Scandinavia is a region not a country but I assume you are talking about countries like Denmark. Denmark is a free market capitolist state with a heavy welfare system. The funds needed for it's welfare state are generated from... capitolism. Yes that's right. And people own land.

Danes pay an effective marginal tax rate of 56 percent plus a 25% VAT tax on every item plus some goods like coffee, beer, and chocolate have additional taxes! Denmark has billionaires and they can pass along their wealth without inherantance tax. Hardy socialist.

In short the Scandinavian countries are not socialist, they are market capitolists with huge tax rates that support a big welfare system.

Why don't you mention Cuba, Venezuela, or the multitude of of other failed actually socialist states? Capitolism IS the only things that feeds the people, keeps the hospitals and schools open, and drives innovation, production, and wealth for everybody.

Keep ranting against the system that provided you with the phones, computers, food, and other things that allow you to live and rant against it. That makes a lot of sense.

Maybe you can point to anyone here who is talking about implementing policies like Cuba or Venezuela?

Can we take from your comments you are in favor of a Danish style solution?

 

[dank69]

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the P&N forums are infamous for not harboring conducive discussions


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This is because exactly one side is not interested in having an actual discussion.

 

[cytg111]

You are still unreachable but I will try once again.

Scandinavia is a region not a country but I assume you are talking about countries like Denmark. Denmark is a free market capitolist state with a heavy welfare system. The funds needed for it's welfare state are generated from... capitolism. Yes that's right. And people own land.

Danes pay an effective marginal tax rate of 56 percent plus a 25% VAT tax on every item plus some goods like coffee, beer, and chocolate have additional taxes! Denmark has billionaires and they can pass along their wealth without inherantance tax. Hardy socialist.

In short the Scandinavian countries are not socialist, they are market capitolists with huge tax rates that support a big welfare system.

Why don't you mention Cuba, Venezuela, or the multitude of of other failed actually socialist states? Capitolism IS the only things that feeds the people, keeps the hospitals and schools open, and drives innovation, production, and wealth for everybody.

Keep ranting against the system that provided you with the phones, computers, food, and other things that allow you to live and rant against it. That makes a lot of sense.

Damn dude, that was a level 1 trap you just walked straight into. I dont think you're built for this. Ill get back to you in a min, just wanted to quote this for prosperity.