Discussion Intel's past, present and future

[Moonbeam]

The complication here is TSMC is Taiwan & thus can be taken over by China any time they want to

Intel is a strategic US Asset

The obvious answer is for US to nationalize Intel foundry

How that is going to happen now is the question

Not really sure that's a good answer. Seems to me a nationalized industry will still employ people who will only work for money with all the corruption and self centered interest that implies. I would imagine that if the interest in building the best computer chips was tied to the welfare of the world and considering all that could be done with artificial intelligence that served that same interest, I can't imagine anything but that progress would slow to a crawl as there are few interested in anything very much beyond themselves. Who would give their creative genius to anything that didn't offer to make you rich. Probably the best answer then would be forced labor camps, and genetically engineered engineers.

 

[marees]

Trump administration reportedly mulls investing in Intel to bolster national security — direct cash assistance would speed Ohio fab build out​

News
By Anton Shilov last updated 2 hours ago
A lot of money is coming Intel's way?


buying a stake in Intel would not be the first time the Trump administration has entered into a direct business partnership with a private company. Recent examples include a 'golden share' in United States Steel Corp. to facilitate its sale to a Japanese buyer. Also, the Department of Defence recently acquired a $400 million preferred equity position in MP Materials, a major rare earth producer in America, and became its largest shareholder.

Officials are reportedly considering a model similar to the MP Materials arrangement, potentially combining government equity with guaranteed purchase agreements, loans, private investment, and formal public-sector collaboration. Such a package is designed to give investors confidence in the stability of the project while ensuring that taxpayer funds are tied to strategic outcomes.


https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...n-intel-to-speed-up-ohio-campus-fab-build-out

 

[HurleyBird]

@HurleyBird I'm sorry but you ARE in P&N now. Check the top of the page.

Welp, came in through my alerts and looks like the thread was recently moved. No comment on that decision, but for myself I'm gonna go ahead and unwatch now since I have little desire to mix tech with cancer.

 

[brycejones]

Isn’t that the picking winners and losers Republicans are supposedly against?

 

[marees]

Isn’t that the picking winners and losers Republicans are supposedly against?

Trump likes winners tho. So MAGA = pick & choose winners, I guess

Fascism had a complex relationship with capitalism, both supporting and opposing different aspects of it at different times and in different countries. In general, fascists held an instrumental view of capitalism, regarding it as a tool that may be useful or not, depending on circumstances.[9][10] Fascists aimed to promote what they considered the national interests of their countries; they supported the right to own private property and the profit motive because they believed that they were beneficial to the economic development of a nation,[11] but they commonly sought to eliminate the autonomy of large-scale capitalism from the state[12] and opposed the perceived decadence, hedonism, and cosmopolitanism of the wealthy in contrast to the idealized discipline, patriotism and moral virtue of the members of the middle classes.[13] They opposed usury and criticized what they viewed as the resulting "enslavement to interest."[14]

While other Western capitalist countries strove for increased state ownership of industry during the same period, Nazi Germany transferred public ownership into the private sector and handed over some public services to private organizations, mostly those affiliated with the Nazi Party.[15] According to historian Richard Overy, the Nazi war economy was a mixed economy that combined free markets with central planning and described the economy as being somewhere in between the command economy of the Soviet Union and the capitalist system of the United States.[16] Others have described Nazi Germany as being corporatist, authoritarian capitalist, or totalitarian capitalist.[15][17][18][19] Fascist Italy has been described as corporatist.[20][21][22]

Economics of fascism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[marees]

Trump likes winners tho. So MAGA = pick & choose winners, I guess

Economics of fascism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The other side of the argument:
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This policy has created a two-tiered system that explicitly favors large, deep-pocketed corporations while punishing smaller players.

The regime is particularly damaging to startups and small to medium-sized enterprises, which are the lifeblood of American innovation.

Hardware startups face immediate cost increases, and software startups are also hit by higher cloud computing costs, given that semiconductors are the primary cost driver for data center construction.

the unilateral tariff policy has actively eroded the U.S.’s greatest strategic asset: its network of technologically advanced, democratic allies. By imposing or threatening tariffs on key partners, the U.S. has sown confusion, frustration, and a powerful incentive for these partners to hedge their bets.


the U.S. must adopt strategic predictability, ensuring that U.S. policy is stable, predictable, and codified in law to attract the massive private investment essential for success.

https://www.eetimes.com/trumps-tariff-fallacy-a-self-inflicted-defeat/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=link&utm_medium=EETimesDaily-20250815&oly_enc_id=4180A7261056E4Y

 

[hal2kilo]

Below is an example of how Intel design can match AMD when they use TSMC

Intel "Lunar Lake" Updated PL2 Setting Can Yield Up to 30% Higher Gaming Performance

We recently published our MSI Claw 8 AI+ A2VM review, which is the only handheld gaming device to utilize the Intel Core Ultra 7 258V "Lunar Lake" CPU, featuring four E-cores and four P-cores, paired with the Intel Arc 140V Xe2 GPU. During our testing, we manually set different TDP values via...

www.techpowerup.com

They spent years collecting money on the Pentium, what the hell did they do with it. I can't believe they couldn't see that their fab team was not keeping up with their competition.

 

[cytg111]

Dumbass

Omg fucking rolling laughing... Shitlol.

 

[cytg111]

They spent years collecting money on the Pentium, what the hell did they do with it. I can't believe they couldn't see that their fab team was not keeping up with their competition.

They were so far ahead that they took a nap, then another nap, more nap and then a nap, woke up, fumbled stumbled and here we are, the world passed them by.

 

[cytg111]

The government would do better to physically burn money and thus deflate the current money supply (increase its value) rather than metaphorically burn it by giving it to Intel. When a ship is sinking as fast as Intel, no amount of pumping can fix it.

If AMD can make a Rocky III then so can Intel.
AMD was way more cooked on both fronts, fab and chip - and with lesser resources they pulled themselves away from the event horizon to the top of the mountain. Intel aint done yet.

Imagine if the US had a free educational system that would just shit out bright free thinking minds ad libitum... Damn. Unstoppable. Unfortunately your current line of governing is prioritizing making stupid cool again and shitting on smarts.

 

[cytg111]

Trump administration reportedly mulls investing in Intel to bolster national security — direct cash assistance would speed Ohio fab build out​

SEE ? THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING FOR YEARS.

God damn I'm smart.

 

[Hulk]

Solyndra, Intel

 

[fastandfurious6]

trump give putin precious alaska mineral

putin sell precious mineral back to usa

intel gets precious mineral for big cpu

profit?

 

[brycejones]

Welp, came in through my alerts and looks like the thread was recently moved. No comment on that decision, but for myself I'm gonna go ahead and unwatch now since I have little desire to mix tech with cancer.

It’s weird watching the Trump admin make tech policy and conservatives suddenly don’t want to talk about how policy impacts tech on a tech forum.

Fucking cowards

 

[HurleyBird]

It’s weird watching the Trump admin make tech policy and conservatives suddenly don’t want to talk about how policy impacts tech on a tech forum.

Fucking cowards

I don't identify as a conservative, and if you couldn't tell from:

Say goodbye to any chance of anything even approaching process leadership in that case.

that I'm not at all a fan of the idea that Trump is going to have the US government take a stake in Intel, that's your problem.

I'm not bowing out because I like what Trump is proposing. I'm bowing out because this forum is a cancerous, circle jerking peanut gallery. So long.

 

[Khato]

I'd be far happier with government investment in Intel than the stupidity of giving CHIPS act funding to Samsung and TSMC. But better yet is if there's no government investment whatsoever. The US manufacturing investment promises certain companies have made is quite easily drawn upon to help out Intel foundry. And fits perfectly with the current talk of exorbitant tariffs on semiconductors - you either chip in to Intel foundry to manufacture some amount of your future products and avoid the tariff for now, or you pay the tariff.

 

[cytg111]

I don't identify as a conservative, and if you couldn't tell from:

that I'm not at all a fan of the idea that Trump is going to have the US government take a stake in Intel, that's your problem.

I'm not bowing out because I like what Trump is proposing. I'm bowing out because this forum is a cancerous, circle jerking peanut gallery. So long.

Womp womp

 

[fastandfurious6]

this forum is a cancerous, circle jerking peanut gallery. So long.

🤣
since I joined last year (99% of my time is on the CPU/hardware sections) and it's the nicest forum ever in my 30 years of doing online forums of all kinds UwU

 

[brycejones]

I don't identify as a conservative, and if you couldn't tell from:

that I'm not at all a fan of the idea that Trump is going to have the US government take a stake in Intel, that's your problem.

I'm not bowing out because I like what Trump is proposing. I'm bowing out because this forum is a cancerous, circle jerking peanut gallery. So long.

K thanks bye

 

[ch33zw1z]

Womp womp

I don’t really care, do you?

 

[dank69]

I don't identify as a conservative, and if you couldn't tell from:

that I'm not at all a fan of the idea that Trump is going to have the US government take a stake in Intel, that's your problem.

I'm not bowing out because I like what Trump is proposing. I'm bowing out because this forum is a cancerous, circle jerking peanut gallery. So long.

If everyone seems like cancer, you're the cancer.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Anonymous Intel engineer says that cancelling Royal Core was a strategic mistake. It could've caused panic at AMD and signaled to them that Intel was back with a vengeance. It could have been the Zen moment for Intel. He also bemoans the cancellation of Adamantine Cache. Performance benefit was projected to be in the high single digits but it was decided by the executives to chase the almighty dollar rather than portray technical prowess. He even went as far as to say that he would've preferred Pat cancelling Battlemage and Celestial over Adamantine cache. I guess he must've seen real potential in that.

 

[Jaskalas]

If everyone seems like cancer, you're the cancer.

What about half of everyone?

 

[fastandfurious6]

Anonymous Intel engineer says that cancelling Royal Core was a strategic mistake. It could've caused panic at AMD and signaled to them that Intel was back with a vengeance. It could have been the Zen moment for Intel. He also bemoans the cancellation of Adamantine Cache. Performance benefit was projected to be in the high single digits but it was decided by the executives to chase the almighty dollar rather than portray technical prowess. He even went as far as to say that he would've preferred Pat cancelling Battlemage and Celestial over Adamantine cache. I guess he must've seen real potential in that.

[dsda=wedwed]https://youtu.be/XMb2mJi-XTg?t=3628 🤣🤣

 

[DZero]

What an idiot move from the executives... the issue are not the talent... are the management. Now is clear what went wrong.