Intel's new "Shelton" chip will have NO L2 CACHE.

formulav8

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Here is Thine link.. I was over at AMDZone and it looks like the Inquirer says that Intels new "Shelton" cpu will be targeted to take on AMD's Sempron in certain markets. I of course don't know how true this is. But if it is true, Why would Intel do something that drastic? Even if it is based on the P3-M Cpu (I am assuming it is since it will be clocked at 1ghz, A Netburst 1ghz would be very very aweful) is still needs some kind of L2 Cache to feed the L1 Cache and run at the same speed as the L1 Cache. I am not much for cpu designs though. How would no L2 Cache effect the Mobile based cpu? Would be interesting to know.

Looks like Intel is bringing back the Celron 300mhz design again. :)


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The point is to create a chip that has awful performance but is as cheap as possible. A chip with no L2 cache will fit perfectly. It isn't like people there are buying machines to run Doom 3 - no they want basic email, word processing, and internet browsing. ANY chip can do those. I assume that Sempron will blow it away in benchmarks, but the chip will do everything those consumers want so benchmarks don't really matter.
 

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Yeah I guess so. But I don't see why Intel has to be that stingy. Even if they only added 64KB of Cache like what the Duron has, it would make a world of a difference. I wouldn't think that adding 64KB of Cache would make the cost of the chip to rise much? Unless they only look at quanity number and see that if we can save $1.00 per cpu that will give us a extra: $1000 for every 1000 we sell. I guess that is the only reason they would do such a thing. But why not just charge a buck extra to offset the cost? Oh well, its not my company or anything, so I guess Intel knows what they are doing.


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With the Sempron going for as low as $39, I don't think there is room for another $1. Oh well, it doesn't affect either of us, so let Intel do what they want. If it doesn't sell, Intel will fix it or discontinue it. Otherwise, Intel will make a little money in a market that previously shunned them.
 

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with no L2 cashe they are bound to clock that thing skyhigh, I bet the old duron 800 in my sisters comp could wipe the floor with a 4 Ghz shelton tho. a small L2 cache hurts, but no L2 cache for a memory starved architecture (I do assume it's based off the P4 architecture) is just suicide. but not for intel, people will buy any intel as long as it has big Mhz, hell, if they manage to get this one to 4 (which I thinjk they can, because there's no L2 cache) it would outsell anything overhere, <sarcasm> because everyone knows megahertz is all that matters</sarcasm>

that would hurt intel to so I doubt they will release this at 4 ghz or so, but I really dont see where the hell this fits in, this is no competition for AMD, this is competition for via, with their eden platforms.

I cant wait to see the benchmarks on this.
 

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Originally posted by: formulav8
Yeah I guess so. But I don't see why Intel has to be that stingy. Even if they only added 64KB of Cache like what the Duron has, it would make a world of a difference. I wouldn't think that adding 64KB of Cache would make the cost of the chip to rise much? Unless they only look at quanity number and see that if we can save $1.00 per cpu that will give us a extra: $1000 for every 1000 we sell. I guess that is the only reason they would do such a thing. But why not just charge a buck extra to offset the cost? Oh well, its not my company or anything, so I guess Intel knows what they are doing.


Jason

Actually depending on the size of the L1 cache the leave in the thing a 64kb l2 cache would to little to nothing. Assuming this is based on the P4 architecture they have an inclusive l2 cache which means it holds everything in the l1 cache. So if it's a celeron d with no cache it would loose 16k of that 64k to duplicating whats already fitting in the l1 cache. Yeah it isn't gonna hurt but it isn't gonna help as much as one might think either due to the inclusive cache design.
 

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The "shelty" will be a dog..."no pun intended". I guess Intel figures the Viet Namese are still stupid to the Mhz myth. They will think they are getting a great deal on a high MHz chip with the Intel name brand on it! Wow what a deal. Will Intel hire Kris Kubicki to bench it for them? LOL
 

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Even running basic internet, business apps, email, etc will be slow as molasses with no L2 cache; unless you're only doing one task at a time I'll wager.

I would love to see a 1.0 Ghz Duron vs. 4 Ghz Shelton
 

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Originally posted by: theEman
Yep, once again, anything that AMD offers for the same price will kill what Intel has to offer. :D

Intel does it because they can. That's the luxury of being the dominant market leader. If Intel can sell a CPU that is cheaper to produce than AMD, and sell it for more than AMD can command for theirs and still outsell them in volume, Intel would be stupid to not do it. AMD or anyone else would do the exact same thing if they were in the same position.
 

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Probably goes hand in hand with this from MS...

Aug 11, 12:31 PM EDT


Microsoft Announces'XP Lite' System

By ALISA TANG
Associated Press Writer

BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- Microsoft Corp. announced Wednesday that it will offer a low-cost, stripped down edition of its Windows XP operating system in Asia starting in October, as it strives to fortify market share against erosion from the open-source Linux system and software piracy.

Although Microsoft still holds a commanding share of the desktop PC software market worldwide, several major computer retailers in Asia in the past year have begun offering hardware with locally adapted Linux installed.

Industry analysts have described the launch of what already has been dubbed "XP Lite" - with lower-resolution graphics, fewer networking options and less multitasking ability than full XP versions - as a pre-emptive move against Linux.

Linux is open-source software available for little or no cost to computer vendors and users because no licensing fee is charged in its basic form.

Microsoft also hopes lower-priced products can help combat software piracy, which is rampant in developing countries of Asia, where legitimate programs often are out of the reach of buyers.

The new software, officially called Windows XP Starter Edition, is "affordable ... and designed specifically to meet the needs of first-time users" in developing countries, Mike Wickstrand, group product manager of Microsoft's Windows division, told a news conference Wednesday.

The Starter Edition will ship on new, low-cost desktop PCs available through manufacturers and Microsoft distributors in Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia, he said. The software - which will come in the Thai, Malay and Indonesian languages - will not be available separately for end users.

Computers with Starter Edition installed will cost between $300 and $400, the company said.

In Thailand, the computers also will ship with Microsoft Office 2003 business software. In Malaysia, they'll be loaded with Microsoft Works, a more consumer-oriented system for word processing and other functions.

Wickstrand said two more countries in the pilot program would be announced later this year after further discussions with governments.

When Microsoft found out that Linux was being offered last year as part of the Thai government's program to promote affordable computers, it decided to offer a Thai-language-only version of normal Windows XP at unprecedentedly low prices.

This year it instituted a similar program in Malaysia, while it developed Starter Edition.

Key features of the new software include enhanced help, country-specific motifs, and "preconfigured settings" for features that might confuse novices.

The Thai version includes wallpaper photos of Bangkok's Grand Palace, a national landmark, and a white-sand beach in southern Thailand. One screensaver is a waving Thai flag.

The new software's "simplified task management" can run three programs concurrently, representing a downgrade from the standard XP system. A full XP version can run many more programs concurrently, depending on the amount of memory in a computer.

Other downgrades include a lack of support for home networking and printer sharing and the absence of advanced features such as the ability to establish multiple user accounts on a single PC, the company said.

Link

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formulav8

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Why would Microsoft go through the trouble to redo parts of the XP code to sell it for a lower price? I am sure it cost them a bit of money to do that. Having the features that they erased wouldn't have cost microsoft any money if they left the XP OS as the regular XP Home or something.

I guess they didn't want to be to nice in lowering the price for the people over there then giving them the full XP features at the cheap price. :) I don't know but it won't effect me I guess.



Jason
 

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The processor will suck hardcore. But at least now, Via can claim that it's chips are faster than Intels.
 

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I wonder how much RAM the prebuilt XP Lite systems are going to feature. 64MB? 128MB?

Intel might also copy Western Digital's tactic with the Raptor... release an underperforming CPU, similar to WD's "pre-release" Raptor samples, then wow everyone with a CPU that actually has some L2 cache and performs better (six months later, perhaps, like the Mendocino Celeron-A followed the Covington). Or maybe it's truly a market that doesn't care that much.
 

formulav8

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Yeah most in that market area may just want something that works period and is very cheap to buy. I guess things are very different in other parts of the world compared to what most of us are used too.


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First off, let me clarify that I don't know anything about this chip, or that it even exists. But it wouldn't surprise me if it did.

There is no way this thing would be intended to compete with Sempron in the US. It would obviously be a very niche product, intended for low income demographics.
 

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Originally posted by: formulav8
Yeah most in that market area may just want something that works period and is very cheap to buy. I guess things are very different in other parts of the world compared to what most of us are used too.


Jason

This is probably Intel's angle. There are a lot of countries and areas where the vast majority of people can't afford even a super budget PC. Markets like that are ruled by Durons, Celerons, ect. Whoever is the cheapest will win. Even dog slow will connect to the net, which is probably what most in these countries want.

EDIT: Anyone know what Shelton means? Or what it may be derived from?
 

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Shelton Jackson Lee - United States filmmaker whose works explore the richness of Black culture in America (born in 1957)
 

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Originally posted by: RaistlinZ
Even running basic internet, business apps, email, etc will be slow as molasses with no L2 cache; unless you're only doing one task at a time I'll wager.

I would love to see a 1.0 Ghz Duron vs. 4 Ghz Shelton

Most of us used to run basic internet, business apps, email, etc in the past. The chip won't hold a light to any of its peers in today's US market; but it will fit in well in its target market, which is all that matters. Remember that people used to upgrade to cache-less celerons a few years ago. They were still running most of the same applications then as they are now.