Intel's Nehalem...

[EdzAviator]

Here is an article on nehalem:

http://www.beyond3d.com/content/news/540

Nehalem's 3 socket is again showing intel's expensive upgrade path....
Well, if you upgrade to nehalem, its xpected that you upgrade your mobo & ram also..

But what if you upgrade to Havendale at 1st..then your upgrade path is only to Lynnfield bcoz Bloomfield requires another socket again..

<why can't intel standardized their socket platform like amd..current AM2 are still compatible with Phenom....Am2+ are compatible with upcoming 45nm AMD..
future AM3 proc are also compatible w/ AM2+ mobos coz AM3 proc hav DDR2 & DDR3 controller...

the fact that intel will have IMC on nehalem, the only reason to change socket will be the change of DDR3 to DDR4...But if AMD can have DDR2 & DDR3 on AM3 proc, then why can't intel's nehalem have DDR3 & DDR4 on the same socket...???

I like Intel bcoz currently they are the fastest cpu but come at expense...

In my part, in moving from X2 to C2D 1st paired w/ 965chipset...but the gigabyte 965P-S3 that i've bought was the 1st release w/c is a revision 1 and not compatible with Peryn bcoz I bought it right after C2D was launch..I want 2 upgrade 2 Peryn next yr so I upgrade my mobo to Asus P5K...and when nehalem comes, another upgrade is required..

For budget consumers, AMD's upgradability is still better than intel in the future...you can have the same component and just drop in a new AM3 proc into an AM2 mobo..

the 3 socket of nehalem, is like AMD's 754, 939 & 940 before they standardized to AM2..

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: EdzAviator

Here is an article on nehalem:

http://www.beyond3d.com/content/news/540

Nehalem's 3 socket is again showing intel's expensive upgrade path....
Well, if you upgrade to nehalem, its xpected that you upgrade your mobo & ram also..

But what if you upgrade to Havendale at 1st..then your upgrade path is only to Lynnfield bcoz Bloomfield requires another socket again..

<<<why can't intel standardized their socket platform like amd..current AM2 are still compatible with Phenom....Am2+ are compatible with upcoming 45nm AMD..
future AM3 proc are also compatible w/ AM2+ mobos coz AM3 proc hav DDR2 & DDR3 controller...

the fact that intel will have IMC on nehalem, the only reason to change socket will be the change of DDR3 to DDR4...But if AMD can have DDR2 & DDR3 on AM3 proc, then why can't intel's nehalem have DDR3 & DDR4 on the same socket...???

I like Intel bcoz currently they are the fastest cpu but come at expense...

In my part, in moving from X2 to C2D 1st paired w/ 965chipset...but the gigabyte 965P-S3 that i've bought was the 1st release w/c is a revision 1 and not compatible with Peryn bcoz I bought it right after C2D was launch..I want 2 upgrade 2 Peryn next yr so I upgrade my mobo to Asus P5K...and when nehalem comes, another upgrade is required..

For budget consumers, AMD's upgradability is still better than intel in the future...you can have the same component and just drop in a new AM3 proc into an AM2 mobo..

*sigh*

Another reason for me to not get skulltrail.

Man the closer and closer i get to getting it, the more and more i hear i should just skip the whole path altogether.

3000 dollars, average cost for board and cpu for skulltrail would build one hell of a mean neha rig.

 

[Phynaz]

You post makes my head hurt.

 

[Tempered81]

yeah its like a 10 paragraph jr. high text message.

 

[sutahz]

I've been active in this forum for <8hrs and its very apparent this guy is very pro AMD (which is fine) and makes every point he can to say Intel sucks and AMD rocks.

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: sutahz
I've been active in this forum for <8hrs and its very apparent this guy is very pro AMD (which is fine) and makes every point he can to say Intel sucks and AMD rocks.

I'm sure he thinks he's being quite sneaky and subtle about it .

 

[waffleironhead]

yep why dont they stick with the same socket 4eva

this coming from a person who has a intel 915 board. Handles only a p4....

same socket, 775 but no pentium d, then no core2 goodness.

 

[bfdd]

I am seriously straight up fucking confused by whatever the fuck you were talking about. Did the OP make any sense or even read the link he linked? Where does it say they're changing sockets 3 times during the life span? They're going to be for different applications. God reading the OPs post made my head hurt.

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: bfdd
I am seriously straight up fucking confused by whatever the fuck you were talking about. Did the OP make any sense or even read the link he linked? Where does it say they're changing sockets 3 times during the life span? They're going to be for different applications. God reading the OPs post made my head hurt.

Check his post history -- he's borderline trolling at this point.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: bfdd
I am seriously straight up fucking confused by whatever the fuck you were talking about. Did the OP make any sense or even read the link he linked? Where does it say they're changing sockets 3 times during the life span? They're going to be for different applications. God reading the OPs post made my head hurt.

but the fact that remains is, the current sockets wont hold up.

Meaning, whatever you get now for penryn wont be used for neha.


So that means whatever dream rig you build now, thats the end of its lifespan. :\


So i figure he got his message across. Also the 3 sockets listed on that article could mean:

Server Platform
Desktop Platform
Mobile platform.


Neither of which are the current socket which are out today. Oh wellz....

 

[EdzAviator]

I'M NOT A PRO AMD........In fact my current rig is E4300...and before that, I had Pentium D, P4 & P3..Also had K6-2, Athlon XP & 64....

I bought within my budget..

I'm just suggesting that Intel should have only one socket in nehalem so that it wouldn't hurt us too much when upgrading...
Let's say nehalem comes out, then you buy a budget nehalem w/c Havendale...after 6 months, prices cuts down and you want to upgrade processor to Lynnfield or Bloomfield..
You cannot simply do that becoz you have to change bord too...
(EXPENSIVE UPGRADE)

I'm a budget conscious consumer, that's why my current bord is juz Asus P5K coz I couldnt afford the X38 mobos...

It's ok to have different sockets between Desktop & Server processors..But as stated, those 3 sockets for nehalem are for desktop at different segment...

Let's put analogy in current Core 2...do you want the idea that Pentium Dual is LGA775, C2D E4xx0 is LGA845 and E6xx0 is LGA936....???? where's the upgradability in that one..the only one who benifits is intel becoz of the pattern "Buy new processor, buy new Mobo"....

 

[badnewcastle]

Originally posted by: AmberClad

Originally posted by: bfdd
I am seriously straight up fucking confused by whatever the fuck you were talking about. Did the OP make any sense or even read the link he linked? Where does it say they're changing sockets 3 times during the life span? They're going to be for different applications. God reading the OPs post made my head hurt.

Check his post history -- he's borderline trolling at this point.

Borderline trolling? OP should write a guide on how to troll. Good marketing rep for AMD though, although I'm in sales and it's our policy not to point out the negatives of our competitors.

 

[SlowSpyder]

It would only take two more key strokes to spell 'because' correctly.

 

[taltamir]

forget the ops post, it was barely readable anyways.

The article he linked to is what interests me... I see two DDR3 sockets and one unspecified... that unspecified socket has an "optional" pcie.... so what does that even mean? Is that socket 715 meant for integrated graphics without option to upgrade? does the fact it doesnt say DDR3 mean it supports DDR2?

I don't think DDR3 is going to be feasable for the next gen of processors just yet. It needs another year and a half for prices to drop and for it to be worth it over a DDR2 solution

 

[sutahz]

Originally posted by: EdzAviator

><<<why can't intel standardized their socket platform like amd..current AM2 are still >compatible with Phenom....Am2+ are compatible with upcoming 45nm AMD..
>future AM3 proc are also compatible w/ AM2+ mobos coz AM3 proc hav DDR2 & DDR3 >controller...>>
The way you sound in this paragraph is that AMD has had the same socket since the '80s and Intel has come up w/ a new socket every year. Why do you leave out that the AM3 CPU's will work in AM2 boards, but not all the features will be availible? s775 has been around for sometime now, why don't you commend Intel for that?

><<In my part, in moving from X2 to C2D 1st paired w/ 965chipset...but the gigabyte >965P-S3 that i've bought was the 1st release w/c is a revision 1 and not compatible with >Peryn bcoz I bought it right after C2D was launch..I want 2 upgrade 2 Peryn next yr so I >upgrade my mobo to Asus P5K...and when nehalem comes, another upgrade is >required..>>
Poor poor EdzAviator, you seem to make all the wrong moves. Your C2D runs hot, its not as snappy as a X2, you can't overclock as much as your X2 no doubt, you bought the wrong motherboard because you upgrade your hardware every 6mo's (so you can complain about it no doubt). I do feel sorry for you, if I was as unlucky as you I'd probley put a b****t in my h**d.

>For budget consumers, AMD's upgradability is still better than intel in the future...you can >have the same component and just drop in a new AM3 proc into an AM2 mobo..
But you still have to upgrade your SocketA, socket 754,940,939 before you can hop on that train.

>the 3 socket of nehalem, is like AMD's 754, 939 & 940 before they standardized to AM2..

So are you saying AMD wasnt always perfect??? They once made some bad choices and left some of their customers up a creek? Say it ain't so! How about we propose this to ALL CPU mfg's, "Everyone use the same socket for everything. Laptops, desktops, servers, PDAs and cell phones". Sound like a plan?
Maybe Intel has a better concept of how to run a business and what advantages/disadvantages maintaining a single socket has, then you do.

Lets suppose all cpu's did fit in one socket, or even that each mfg had its own socket but thats it. Your still going to need to buy a new motherboard every few years. Lets say you had a PII 233MHz s775 (hypothetically) w/ AGP 2x , 1 PCI slot and 3 ISA slots. Now lets say a BIOS flash let you drop a QX9989GRX4 8GHz processor in there, does that really make sense to have that upgrade path availible? [[would it help if i used an AMD socket in this example or do you follow the Intel example ok?]]

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: EdzAviator
<<why can't intel standardized their socket platform like amd..current AM2 are still compatible with Phenom....Am2+ are compatible with upcoming 45nm AMD..
future AM3 proc are also compatible w/ AM2+ mobos coz AM3 proc hav DDR2 & DDR3 controller...

Yeah, you're right, AMD has only had three mandatory chipset changes in the past 2½ years, with the fourth coming in the next 6 months. And how many has Intel had in the last 2½ years? Oh that's right, they've had two that were mandatory. Wow, Intel sucks compared to AMD, don't they?:roll:

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: sutahz
Originally posted by: EdzAviator

><<<<<<why can't intel standardized their socket platform like amd..current AM2 are still >compatible with Phenom....Am2+ are compatible with upcoming 45nm AMD..
>future AM3 proc are also compatible w/ AM2+ mobos coz AM3 proc hav DDR2 & DDR3 >controller...>>
The way you sound in this paragraph is that AMD has had the same socket since the '80s and Intel has come up w/ a new socket every year. Why do you leave out that the AM3 CPU's will work in AM2 boards, but not all the features will be availible? s775 has been around for sometime now, why don't you commend Intel for that?

><<In my part, in moving from X2 to C2D 1st paired w/ 965chipset...but the gigabyte >965P-S3 that i've bought was the 1st release w/c is a revision 1 and not compatible with >Peryn bcoz I bought it right after C2D was launch..I want 2 upgrade 2 Peryn next yr so I >upgrade my mobo to Asus P5K...and when nehalem comes, another upgrade is >required..>>
Poor poor EdzAviator, you seem to make all the wrong moves. Your C2D runs hot, its not as snappy as a X2, you can't overclock as much as your X2 no doubt, you bought the wrong motherboard because you upgrade your hardware every 6mo's (so you can complain about it no doubt). I do feel sorry for you, if I was as unlucky as you I'd probley put a b****t in my h**d.

>For budget consumers, AMD's upgradability is still better than intel in the future...you can >have the same component and just drop in a new AM3 proc into an AM2 mobo..
But you still have to upgrade your SocketA, socket 754,940,939 before you can hop on that train.

>the 3 socket of nehalem, is like AMD's 754, 939 & 940 before they standardized to AM2..

So are you saying AMD wasnt always perfect??? They once made some bad choices and left some of their customers up a creek? Say it ain't so! How about we propose this to ALL CPU mfg's, "Everyone use the same socket for everything. Laptops, desktops, servers, PDAs and cell phones". Sound like a plan?
Maybe Intel has a better concept of how to run a business and what advantages/disadvantages maintaining a single socket has, then you do.

Lets suppose all cpu's did fit in one socket, or even that each mfg had its own socket but thats it. Your still going to need to buy a new motherboard every few years. Lets say you had a PII 233MHz s775 (hypothetically) w/ AGP 2x , 1 PCI slot and 3 ISA slots. Now lets say a BIOS flash let you drop a QX9989GRX4 8GHz processor in there, does that really make sense to have that upgrade path availible? [[would it help if i used an AMD socket in this example or do you follow the Intel example ok?]]

I have to agree here... the ability to INSERT it in an old socket does not make it an upgrade path. The old motherboard cannot support the correct speeds, voltages, etc. And is holding back that shiny new fast CPU... A system is a sum of its parts. And the parts need to be in balance... dropping in a CPU, video card, ram, or some such that is 2 generations newer then the rest of the components is just gonna bottle neck it.

I have NEVER upgraded a CPU through a drop in replacement (I came really close upgrading a 3800+ X2 to a 6400+ recently... but it fell through)... every time I wanted to upgrade there was a newer socket (with faster cpu bus speed), a new ram standard, a faster video card connection, and a chipset that gave more features... and every time I needed to upgrade all of these parts to mainting a proper gaming platform, else one of them would hold me back.

 

[Acanthus]

The main reason for socket changes are either changes to the number of grounds needed, a change to the memory interface, or a change to the bridge interface.

Even if all of those things match, you can still have a board that doesnt support the correct voltages, currents, bus speeds, cache changes, as well as few dozen other factors.

The OP doesnt seem to understand how things work.

 

[Denithor]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
The OP doesnt seem to understand how things work.

The OP has been trolling the forums for about six months off and on. He's been getting more attention lately so he has stepped it up. Just ignore him and he will likely go away again. :roll:

Previous post...with links to like 6 months worth of complaints about Intel's poor performance.

 

[taltamir]

augh... his use of webspeak makes baby neuton cry.

 

[exar333]

Originally posted by: waffleironhead
yep why dont they stick with the same socket 4eva

this coming from a person who has a intel 915 board. Handles only a p4....

same socket, 775 but no pentium d, then no core2 goodness.

No kidding, I am still waiting for a Barcelona to come out on my Socket A so I can kick my 1800+ Thunderbird to the curb. Anyone know the release date for that? At least I may have a 38XX AGP derivative on the way as well! Woot!

 

[ZOXXO]

I like Intel bcoz currently they are the fastest cpu but come at expense...

What is an Intel bcoz ? Is it better than an Intel Core 2 Duo? Is it "snappy"?

 

[Duvie]

Think about it this way...

INtel created a whole new direction to that of the P4 with Core 2 Duo architecture yet they didn't require a sckt change.....AMD changed the sckt with their 65nm architecture and what did they get out of it? No headroom, no performance increase and even a lacluster phenom release...

I can go to newegg right now and buy a motherboard that is capable of running intel chips from Pentium 4, Pentium EE, Pentium D, celeron D, Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Quad, and have future support for 45nm C2Q.....What does amd have to offer of similar longevity?

 

[Denithor]

AMD has the S939 to offer instead. Outlasted by even the S754!!

 

[Duvie]

I guess the S754's stayed around with some of the sempron models, but no way can you compare the sckt 939 to INtels current sckt 775. What did you have? A64's after they changed to 90nm and then X2's? Then with the 65nm change came the need for the AM2 socket....

IN reality I dont think the Sckt 754 while possibly longer in duration of time does not offer has much in terms of different chips used...