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Intel's head of manufacturing announces departure

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You misspelled "worse". Under his leadership, Intel wasted billions on mobile and then bailed with nothing to show for it. Wasted time going after embedded micro controllers with Quark, and also things like Basis and drones.10nm is a big mess, indicating that BK didn't authorize the proper investment levels to get 10nm out the door on time.


He is being saved by the fact that other more competent leaders built an organization that could withstand such serious lapses in judgement.
Intel's mobile group was already burning 2B/year before BK even became CEO. Instead, under BK the company became a data center company as its core strategy, and abandoned the mobile market. I remember at 2014 investor meeting, after the year of contra-revenue, BK said they didn't intend to grow, but just maintain share, so already about 1 year after becoming CEO they were decreasing the mobile focus.

BK is a manufacturing guy, he was responsible for the very very successful investment in ASML back in 2012. Do you think he would cut Moore's Law investments? Without extensive internal information, I think jumping to conclusions about the 10nm think is way overblown. 14nm is a healthy process now, so all effort is going into 10nm, but you can't get around the quad patterning difficulties.

Intel created its IoT group under BK: https://newsroom.intel.com/chip-sho...roup-to-accelerate-internet-of-things-market/.

Further, there are the acquisitions of Altera, Mobileye, Saffron, Nervana, etc. The Dalian NAND, 5G, AI and automotive investments.

Edit: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8731/intel-plans-merger-of-mobile-and-pc-divisions
 
Intel's mobile group was already burning 2B/year before BK even became CEO. Instead, under BK the company became a data center company as its core strategy, and abandoned the mobile market. I remember at 2014 investor meeting, after the year of contra-revenue, BK said they didn't intend to grow, but just maintain share, so already about 1 year after becoming CEO they were decreasing the mobile focus.

BK is a manufacturing guy, he was responsible for the very very successful investment in ASML back in 2012. Do you think he would cut Moore's Law investments? Without extensive internal information, I think jumping to conclusions about the 10nm think is way overblown. 14nm is a healthy process now, so all effort is going into 10nm, but you can't get around the quad patterning difficulties.

Intel created its IoT group under BK: https://newsroom.intel.com/chip-sho...roup-to-accelerate-internet-of-things-market/.

Further, there are the acquisitions of Altera, Mobileye, Saffron, Nervana, etc. The Dalian NAND, 5G, AI and automotive investments.

Edit: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8731/intel-plans-merger-of-mobile-and-pc-divisions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Krzanich

"Brian Krzanich was elected CEO on May 2, 2013, concluding a six-month executive search after incumbent CEO Paul Otellini announced his resignation in November 2012. Krzanich assumed the role of CEO on May 16, 2013 at the company's annual general meeting."

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7314/intel-baytrail-preview-intel-atom-z3770-tested

Brian Krzanich was the CEO when Intel started shipping Baytrail in Q3 2013. Under his tenure Intel started contra revenue for tablets and other mobile devices in 2014. Contra revenue was a disaster and Intel lost billions of dollars trying to beat Qualcomm in its core stronghold market. Canard PC wrote a scathing article based on talks with people working at Intel. They had quite a bit to say about Krzanich. Rest assured it was not positive. You do not go from a 2-3 year process node lead over TSMC to 0 without some terrible execution and pathetic leadership. 14nm faced significant yield issues and it took 2+ years with 14+ to get ito a very mature level. Inspite of Intel promising better execution at 10nm back in 2014 it has gotten worse. Intel 10nm is the most delayed node in their 51 year history. The first gen 10nm process is basically DOA. Its not even good to yield sub 100 sq mm dies and is going to have a 6-9 month life before hopefully 10+ puts it out of misery. Nothing illustrates how badly Intel screwed up than this.

Intel 14nm (Q4 2014)
MMP - 52nm
CPP - 70nm

TSMC 16FF+ - (Q3 2015)
MMP - 64nm
CPP - 90nm

Intel 10nm (Q2 2018)
MMP - 36nm
CPP - 54nm

TSMC 7nm (Q2 2018)
MMP - 40nm
CPP - 57nm

I am mentioning the quarter when first products using the above processes have been/ will be available.

https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/cont...alfoundries-discloses-7nm-process-detail.html

Intel went from 63% of TSMC 16FF+ at their 14nm in terms of CPP x MMP to 85% of TSMC 7nm at their 10nm process. Whats worse Intel time to market lead has been completely wiped out. I will say this. Brian Krzanich's legacy will be that he was the first Intel CEO to oversee them lose their process node lead.
 
Intel went from 63% of TSMC 16FF+ at their 14nm in terms of CPP x MMP to 85% of TSMC 7nm at their 10nm process. Whats worse Intel time to market lead has been completely wiped out. I will say this. Brian Krzanich's legacy will be that he was the first Intel CEO to oversee them lose their process node lead.
I agree that Intel seems to have done too little to react to the yield learning difficulties and their competitor's increased R&D spending. The fact that they still have little leading edge foundry market share illustrates that point.
 
I agree that Intel seems to have done too little to react to the yield learning difficulties and their competitor's increased R&D spending. The fact that they still have little leading edge foundry market share illustrates that point.

Intel was never serious about foundry business. The problem for Intel is they want to be a IDM with a x86 monopoly and a successful foundry. That was never going to work. Samsung has finally spun off their foundry from the System LSI division. If Intel are serious about foundry then they have to spin off manufacturing or atleast it has to be an independent business unit with its own accounting. The foundry should be free to pursue any customer who is a direct competitor to Intel like Qualcomm, AMD, Nvidia.
 
Not to mention Mcafee adventure... Wtf was that all about?
They have a chance to finally get the right people in key positions (except the CEO, that guy seems irreplaceable), let's see how it goes.

McAfee was under Paul O., but word is that it was Renee James who really pushed Paul to go ahead with it.
 
I agree that Intel seems to have done too little to react to the yield learning difficulties and their competitor's increased R&D spending. The fact that they still have little leading edge foundry market share illustrates that point.

Foundry share isn't really representative of the technology, per se -- there are a lot of business factors that go into a foundry decision that go well beyond the quality of the technology.

But yes, Intel didn't do what it had to do to make 10nm happen on time and now they are being very vague about their 7nm timeline.
 
Murthy seems to be the driving force behind a lot of the improvements in some areas of Intel's execution. I don't think Intel would've done a Kaby Lake Refresh were it not for him, for example.

I think that's the point. Intel is long overdue on 10nm, 7nm, etc.
 
I think that's the point. Intel is long overdue on 10nm, 7nm, etc.

Without Murthy, Intel would've been long overdue on 10nm, 7nm, etc. and not had new products on 14nm+, 14nm++ etc. ready to sell to PC makers, IMO.

We saw this happen during the Broadwell transition; Broadwell was way late and all Intel put out was "Haswell Refresh" which was little more than the same Haswell silicon but more tightly binned. With Kaby we got process enhancement + media improvement, Kaby Refresh gave us more cores for mobile, and Coffee Lake for mobile and DT gave us more cores, enhanced process, etc.
 
Without Murthy, Intel would've been long overdue on 10nm, 7nm, etc. and not had new products on 14nm+, 14nm++ etc. ready to sell to PC makers, IMO.

We saw this happen during the Broadwell transition; Broadwell was way late and all Intel put out was "Haswell Refresh" which was little more than the same Haswell silicon but more tightly binned. With Kaby we got process enhancement + media improvement, Kaby Refresh gave us more cores for mobile, and Coffee Lake for mobile and DT gave us more cores, enhanced process, etc.

Sorry but Haswell refresh was a bigger improvement over Haswell than Kabylake was over Skylake in terms of CPU clocks. Devil's Canyon was a solid 500 Mhz improvement on both base and turbo clocks. Kabylake was a mild 200 Mhz improvement on base clocks and 300 Mhz on turbo clocks.

http://ark.intel.com/products/75123/Intel-Core-i7-4770K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz
http://ark.intel.com/products/80807/Intel-Core-i7-4790K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_40-GHz

http://ark.intel.com/products/88195/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_20-GHz
https://ark.intel.com/products/97129/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_50-GHz

I think you are buying Intel's PR & marketing hook, line and sinker. These so called process updates have happened in the past too. There are a couple of examples in the article below. P54C and Northwood.

https://semiaccurate.com/2017/04/04/intels-hyperscaling-is/

Its just that Intel is shouting about it now because they have fallen badly with the standard process node shrink rate at every 2 years. Moreover the foundries are coming up with yearly improvements on their nodes and making a lot of noise about it. So Intel is just imitating them to not look as if they are not doing anything. For eg: Samsung has 14LPP in 2016, 14LPC in 2017 , 14LPU in 2018. TSMC has 16FF+ in 2015, 16FFC in 2016, 12FFC in 2017

Intel's problem is they have lost the process lead and they are trying very hard to paint a rosy picture of their so called process lead through slideware 🙂.
 
Smith probably left because he wants a CEO position somewhere and that ain't happening at Intel anytime soon.
Clearly Intel is showing it is serious about trying to get the right people into the key positions.

Wait so Intel needed him gone and gave him the boot or Intel suffered a blow by losing him? Can't be both. Which is it?

With this and other recent departures I think the truthful answer is, people are bailing on Intel. You don't typically have 30 year veterans at that level jumping ship to go finish their career somewhere else.
 
Wait so Intel needed him gone and gave him the boot or Intel suffered a blow by losing him? Can't be both. Which is it?

With this and other recent departures I think the truthful answer is, people are bailing on Intel. You don't typically have 30 year veterans at that level jumping ship to go finish their career somewhere else.
This Steve Jobs interview seems like it may apply to Intel these days. Why Xerox Failed
 
This Steve Jobs interview seems like it may apply to Intel these days. Why Xerox Failed

This is exactly (part of) the problem. Intel considers itself a manufacturing company, not a semiconductor company... so the people they've put at top positions are all manufacturing people. In the past, that resulted in Intel maintaining a process lead and having the best TTM of any foundry. During BKs tenure (also a manufacturing guy) that changed. The process required much more investment because of moors law and BK didn't allocate the requisite funds. Instead he tried to drown qualcomm in a sea of contra revenue and bought up a bunch of irrelevant companies that provide nothing to intel.


I will give him that the Altera acquisition wasn't a total loss, like most of the rest. That would've been a good move if their foundry had managed to get products out on the new nodes.
 
How lucky is Intel at the moment that AMD is hamstrung by an inferior process?

Looking at another thread here,AMD is trying to aggressively get onto TSMC 7NM from next year for their APUs according to a major Taiwanese newspaper. Even if they don't get there until 2019,they will be making products on both TSMC 7NM and Globalfoundries 10NM. It only takes one of those nodes to actually work out for Intel to be under more pressure.
 
But yes, Intel didn't do what it had to do to make 10nm happen on time and now they are being very vague about their 7nm timeline.

Because they failed to even meet their own road-map IIRC. They won't give clear details. That CEO looks as bad as Ruinz was for AMD. The past 2 or 3 employee higher ups didn't leave because they were happy staying at Intel, its quite possibly the opposite.
 
Wait so Intel needed him gone and gave him the boot or Intel suffered a blow by losing him? Can't be both. Which is it?
No one you quoted said it was a blow to Intel.

With this and other recent departures I think the truthful answer is, people are bailing on Intel. You don't typically have 30 year veterans at that level jumping ship to go finish their career somewhere else.

You do if they are asked to jump before they are pushed.
 
Actually I think the issue is that BK is (for lack of a better word) bloodletting to fool Wall Street in thinking that the margins are still fine as long as he can. But at some point it's all going to come crashing down to earth. Any competition from AMD (especially since AMD hates money) is only going to make things worse.

The other issue I think is that Intel isn't using EUV in anything in 10 or 7, and that's looking like a real bad decision. At least TSMC and GloFo aren't using EUV initially in their 7 nm nodes.
 
Such an Interesting thread and touches on so many topic.

As I have said elsewhere in HN, and Semiwiki, I just dont see where Intel is going, not with their leadership, not on their Roadmap. It leaves so much gaps and holes to fill for a long time, delaying and changing or milking the market as much as they could without preparing for what worst might come. And this is Intel, which one of the greatest CEO of all time, also an Intel fellow Andy Grove famously said "Only the paranoid survive."

Because BK was an manufacturing guy, and in that sense not a product but business and operation guy, might be the reason why Intel has delay in manufacturing due to lacking resources. After all we are for the first time where Moore's Law, ( not in technical gate density but Economical prospective ) didn't work, and the maths and experience BK got used to for the 30 years are no longer valid. And i agree with @raghu78 , his legacy will be for the first time ever TSMC has an arguably better node then Intel and will be shipping in larger volume with leading node. 220M+ Apple SoC every year, that is roughly the size of the whole PC market, for which majority wont be on leading node.

When BK became the CEO, it was rumored that he will continue the closer relationship with Apple. i.e Intel manufacturing SoC for Apple. Afterall he was the manufacturing guy right? But that didnt happen, nor did Intel opened up their Fab. The continue the path of trying to optimize and squeeze the process for cost, making adjustment to their tick tock to prolong product life time. And it seems didnt invest enough. 7 Years after the acquisition of Infineon, their modem are still make with older TSMC node. And god knows what the iPhone 7s / 8 will be getting, the older roadmap say it will still be with TSMC but 16nm instead of 28nm.
Seriously Infineon used to be pretty good. And Intel manage to run it to the ground.

He was rather lucky that Cloud Computing took off, Sales from DC, or basically Amazon, Microsoft, Google, OVH, Baidu, Alibaba and Tencent save his ass. But he also sat idly watching Nvidia took all of AI market share. What was Knight Milling Landing Bridge or whatever doing? Small Note; so many years later they still make shit GPU.

This Steve Jobs interview seems like it may apply to Intel these days. Why Xerox Failed
BK is not a product guy, he is a business and sales person. The only product guy I see, Pat Gelsinger left Intel. Likely as what SJ said he was driven out of the decision making process. Pat was mentored by Andy Grove. I have always thought how Intel would be if he was the CEO and not BK. An Interesting note, IDF was Pat's idea, and it now officially closed.

GF has been doing pretty well ever since they had a new CEO Sanjay. By pretty well i mean in recent two years, so it took him 1 - 2 years to patch things up and laying the ground work. And it is all finally coming together. GF 7nm is actually on schedule for small production in 1H 2018 and volume in 2H 2018. I believe they are now facing the problem with not enough capacity. AMD Zen is selling so well, that is the reason why AMD is looking at TSMC for help with 7nm. It is highly likely the AMD Zen 2 with better IPC and 7nm wont be able to meet the demand from the market. It is likely APU, and may be GPU will move back to TSMC.

Assuming no hike up we do have a perfect storm for Intel. But of coz Intel can always lower the price, Changing roadmaps with more Cores, ( what happen to CoffeLake that was only for Desktop and not Laptop U processors ? ).

And may be, Apple A11 will be the first chip that out perform Intel's Core M at same power usage.
 
I have always thought how Intel would be if he was the CEO and not BK.
I have sometimes wondered this as well. The one time that I met Pat Gelsinger, I was unbelievably impressed with how sharp he was and how much of a broad depth of engineering knowledge that he had. In my 25 year career as an engineer, I never have met anyone at that level of management who knew so much about low-level electrical engineering, design and testing. The other Intel executive that has always impressed me in when I've spoken with her is Diane Bryant. I miss both of them at Intel.

Back to the opening post though:
With the recent (and abrupt) departure of Intel's head engineer Francois Piednoel I think this is a very bad sign for Intel.
Francois was a principal engineer at Intel. The title "principal engineer" is approximately equivalent to a second tier manager - except on the technical side - and it's definitely not "Intel's head engineer". Above a principal engineer is a "senior principal engineer", above that is "Intel fellow" and above that is "Intel senior fellow". The title "principal engineer" is the first named promotion for an engineer at Intel and you would expect approximately one in every 30 engineers or so to be a principal engineer. If I had to pick one specific "head engineer" at Intel from my perspective it would be Mark Bohr . There's a list of Intel's senior fellows here: https://newsroom.intel.com/biographies/senior-fellows/
 
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Piednol was one of the few engineers known to many outside of Intel. Maybe that's why they think he had a bigger job there than in reality.
 
Heads already rolled last year: 12,000 Intel employees fired: http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2016/04/intel_layoffs_heres_what_emplo.html
That didn't help 10nm yields... hmm... I guess they need to fire 12K more.
that had nothing to do with manufacturing. it was intel restructuring from "being a PC company" to focusing more on IoT, AI and Autonomous Vehicles. entire divisions closed, products axed, and many low-scoring employees were fired along with early retirement of senior employees. that number also does NOT include the McAfee spin-off. so add 7-8k more people to that.

since then Intel has acquired MobilEye and other small companies (as it usually does) and hired new people.

BK is leading the shift from a CPU centric company to a "almost everything else" company. Forget about Intel as you knew it, Intel of the future might be a slightly smaller but leaner company, which intents to put their chips in all electrical appliances, cars, buildings, etc'. ChipZilla is no more.
 
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