Intelligent Design

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ElFenix

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
maybe god created evolution

the watchmaker god.

but fundies don't like the idea of god not operating on people's everyday lives.
 

child of wonder

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Intelligent Design is merely a repackaging of Creationism.

And to the comment that science is always changing -- THAT'S THE POINT. New evidence and data is being discovered all the time that leads us towards a better understanding. Science doesn't have all the answers and neither does Religion. The difference between the two is that one CLAIMS to have all the answers with ZERO evidence to back it up and one claims to not have all the answers and actively seeks evidence to find the answers it seeks.
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: Chadder007
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Intelligent Design is not science. By definition science is trying to explain the world through natural laws, absent of religion or supernatural forces.

Science tries, but it changes its mind every month.

Can you give an example of what you're talking about, or did you just say that completely at random? The broadest theories have changed very little over hundreds of years. For example, science has generally stated that gravity is an attractive force that pulls you toward other objects that have mass.

And would you mind specifying what "science" is since you seem to believe that it's some sort of supernatural entity? "science" doesn't have a mind, nor is it a person. What you were looking for is "scientists tend to research existing theories in an attempt to disprove them, and if they are successful then the new theory begins the process of slow acceptance over several decades until it becomes mainstream knowledge. If a scientist in unsuccessful in disproving an existing theory, then the scientist tries again and again in an eternal search for the truth."

That much can not be said of creationism, which is the same thing as intelligent design, which is a blind sort of "it has to be supernatural" without any supporting evidence whatsoever.
 

jjzelinski

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If I can't comprehend it then it obviously didn't happen that way. ON the other hand, i can easily grasp that a very large bearded man came swooping down from a cloud and made the the universe to aocomodate a creature so stupid that it believes the earth was created 6000 years ago for no other reason than a book that has been revised hundreds of times says so in an obscure manner.
 

DefDC

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Originally posted by: jjzelinski
If I can't comprehend it then it obviously didn't happen that way. ON the other hand, i can easily grasp that a very large bearded man came swooping down from a cloud and made the the universe to aocomodate a creature so stupid that it believes the earth was created 6000 years ago for no other reason than a book that has been revised hundreds of times says so in an obscure manner.

LOL! Amazingly well said. I was going to say something much more longwinded, but that sums it up nicely! :)
 

Xyo II

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Science isn't based on faith, and religion isn't based on empirical evidence. You just can't use religion as science people.
 

RaiderJ

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I can't remember exactly, but didn't the Vatican have some sort of position on God/Creationism/Evolution that was accepting towards evolution, but still commited to a Creator? I remember reading it and thinking it made a lot of sense - it seems the Vatican isn't anti-Science, whereas much of American mainstream religion is.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: RaiderJ
I can't remember exactly, but didn't the Vatican have some sort of position on God/Creationism/Evolution that was accepting towards evolution, but still commited to a Creator? I remember reading it and thinking it made a lot of sense - it seems the Vatican isn't anti-Science, whereas much of American mainstream religion is.

vatican says evolution applies to everything but humans, which were created in god's own image.
 

mercanucaribe

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Originally posted by: RaiderJ
I can't remember exactly, but didn't the Vatican have some sort of position on God/Creationism/Evolution that was accepting towards evolution, but still commited to a Creator? I remember reading it and thinking it made a lot of sense - it seems the Vatican isn't anti-Science, whereas much of American mainstream religion is.

Concerning biological evolution, the Church does not have an official position on whether various life forms developed over the course of time. However, it says that, if they did develop, then they did so under the impetus and guidance of God, and their ultimate creation must be ascribed to him.

Concerning human evolution, the Church has a more definite teaching. It allows for the possibility that man?s body developed from previous biological forms, under God?s guidance, but it insists on the special creation of his soul. Pope Pius XII declared that "the teaching authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions . . . take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter?[but] the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God" (Pius XII, Humani Generis 36). So whether the human body was specially created or developed, we are required to hold as a matter of Catholic faith that the human soul is specially created; it did not evolve, and it is not inherited from our parents, as our bodies are.

While the Church permits belief in either special creation or developmental creation on certain questions, it in no circumstances permits belief in atheistic evolution.
 

mercanucaribe

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: RaiderJ
I can't remember exactly, but didn't the Vatican have some sort of position on God/Creationism/Evolution that was accepting towards evolution, but still commited to a Creator? I remember reading it and thinking it made a lot of sense - it seems the Vatican isn't anti-Science, whereas much of American mainstream religion is.

vatican says evolution applies to everything but humans, which were created in god's own image.

It says that God created humans' souls, according to what I just pasted.