Intelligent Design vs Evolution

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: loic2003
Just had a read through the thread and can conclude that dirtboy is indeed a fool. He's basically falling on the argument that evolution is a scientific theory, not a complete fact, despite the fact that it's as waterproof as anything. He's been shown to have a child's level of understanding of the required fields and sounds like he's just bleating out what some preacher has said to him. He's a useful example of what intellectual community has to work with, but I dare say he may be useful. By having a pedantic, close minded imbecile pick up on every little detail and try to use it against a sound theory ensures that standards are kept high. The same way greenpeace's sometimes idiotic actions often keeps the government on the striaght and level.

By the same rule, I'd be interested to see if dirtboy believes in gravity? Has he dropped every single rock/atom to be sure that all mass is attrated to all mass? Until this is completed, documented and proven, gravity remains just a theory. yeah, there's an overwhelming amount of evidence to support the theory, but it's not completely proven.

Motion to ban dirtboy in order to bump average IQ levels up a few notches.

Nice job judging me, but you are completely wrong on every aspect. LOL I'm glad you feel better about yourself now that you've insulted me... The AT evolutionists claim to be enlightened and educated, but a recurring theme is when the going gets tough to result towards insults and calling me a troll. Yet none of you call each other names or say how your words or responses are trollish and inappropriate.

And just so you know, the AT evolutionists in the thread said evolution is a fact. Clearly you didn't read every thread and only posted this in effort to make me look bad. I'm not suprised. Why not motion a ban for yourself to improve the IQ level of the board since you fail at reading? I asked the evolutionists to prove the fact; something they can't and you can't.

Evolution is not waterproof. If it was, there would be no debate. What I see in this thread is people go to college and they are spoon fed materials and never stop to critcially think about it. They never challenged the words of their professors, thus making them believe in evolution just as blindly as they claim "Bible thumpers" are. When I went to school, I challenged the professors and asked them to validate things, be responsible for their claims. Clearly critical thinking didn't evolve into the group of people here.

It is this ignorance of the other sides to how things came to be by the AT evolutionists that disappoints me. These highly educated and enlightened people who have claimed to see the true light, come here claiming facts, then insult anyone who disagrees. Yet they don't know all the facts, because evolution is not a fact. If you read through the posts you'd see the evolutionists' responses to issues disagree with each other. How can that be?

If all of you were truely so open minded, and I realize you aren't, you'd study all sides of the issue and then form an opinion.

I challenged your claims of fact and literally stood there while you all pooped on me for sport. Yet is it not I who came here making outlandish claims for proof. I asked for proof; asked why things work. The deeper we got, the responses of the evolutionists were: troll, idiot and you don't understand -- this response amused me since I took words of other evolutionists in the thread to respond to issues, which apparently there is a great deal of disagreement upon this "fact." Do those responses sound like something an enlighted and educated person would say?

No, they sound like something an uneducated closed minded person would say who is afraid to critically challenge what they have been spoon fed all their lives out of fear that they might have to change their belief system when they see unexplainable holes in what they were taught. All I asked was to prove your beliefs -- thus far you haven't nor can't, which are not based on facts and then open your eyes to the possibility things might not be the way you think. Apparently that is too difficult... In the end, evolutionists believe in blind faith they exist here by either Darwin's explanation or random failures in genetic mutations. Either way, your belief is in blind faith; something I find rather amusing, especially considering how all of you make fun of people who believe in faith of a Creator, ID or some other plausable explanation.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
I do not believe intelligent design and evolution are mutually exclusive. If God is omniscient and omnipotent, God designed and can control evolution. However, I personally do not believe God does control evolution because his greatest gift to man was choice.

It is man's responsibility to husband the environment as he sees fit. We can only hope we don't screw ourselves beyond the extreme flexibility of the evolution God has designed.

This just means you don't understand evolution. You believe in a crackpot idea of evolution cooked up by fundies. That's fine and all, just don't try and inject anti-science into our kids' science classrooms.

Not that I think Intelligent Design should be taught, but it is not anti-science. Just because someone is religious and believes in God does not make them anti-science. Every miracle Christ did he used science to perform. Healing the sick and walking on water is nothing more than atom/molecule manipulation.

If I've misunderstood what you meant, please feel free to correct me. However, religion is not anti-science.

You did misunderstand ID, not religion, is anti-science. ID holds the contention that evolution may very well be real (hard to deny, unless you have the acumen of someone like dirtboy), but that some structures are far too complex to be explained be evolution. Therefore, we must accept that an intelligent designer is responsible for it. That is where it ceases to be science--when you accept that it is OK not to question something, you have ceased accepting science.

Science doesn't stop asking. It works by questioning itself. Evolution survives because it has never been disproven, despite the limitless attempts to do so. (this is what reasearch aims to do--disprove; not prove)

Of course, the closest I have seen evolution being disproven is the continued ability of dirtboy to breathe and metabolise. (that last one is a big word for you, dirtboy. you might have to look it up )

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: loic2003
Just had a read through the thread and can conclude that dirtboy is indeed a fool. He's basically falling on the argument that evolution is a scientific theory, not a complete fact, despite the fact that it's as waterproof as anything. He's been shown to have a child's level of understanding of the required fields and sounds like he's just bleating out what some preacher has said to him. He's a useful example of what intellectual community has to work with, but I dare say he may be useful. By having a pedantic, close minded imbecile pick up on every little detail and try to use it against a sound theory ensures that standards are kept high. The same way greenpeace's sometimes idiotic actions often keeps the government on the striaght and level.

By the same rule, I'd be interested to see if dirtboy believes in gravity? Has he dropped every single rock/atom to be sure that all mass is attrated to all mass? Until this is completed, documented and proven, gravity remains just a theory. yeah, there's an overwhelming amount of evidence to support the theory, but it's not completely proven.

Motion to ban dirtboy in order to bump average IQ levels up a few notches.

Nice job judging me, but you are completely wrong on every aspect. LOL I'm glad you feel better about yourself now that you've insulted me... The AT evolutionists claim to be enlightened and educated, but a recurring theme is when the going gets tough to result towards insults and calling me a troll. Yet none of you call each other names or say how your words or responses are trollish and inappropriate.

And just so you know, the AT evolutionists in the thread said evolution is a fact. Clearly you didn't read every thread and only posted this in effort to make me look bad. I'm not suprised. Why not motion a ban for yourself to improve the IQ level of the board since you fail at reading? I asked the evolutionists to prove the fact; something they can't and you can't.

Evolution is not waterproof. If it was, there would be no debate. What I see in this thread is people go to college and they are spoon fed materials and never stop to critcially think about it. They never challenged the words of their professors, thus making them believe in evolution just as blindly as they claim "Bible thumpers" are. When I went to school, I challenged the professors and asked them to validate things, be responsible for their claims. Clearly critical thinking didn't evolve into the group of people here.

It is this ignorance of the other sides to how things came to be by the AT evolutionists that disappoints me. These highly educated and enlightened people who have claimed to see the true light, come here claiming facts, then insult anyone who disagrees. Yet they don't know all the facts, because evolution is not a fact. If you read through the posts you'd see the evolutionists' responses to issues disagree with each other. How can that be?

If all of you were truely so open minded, and I realize you aren't, you'd study all sides of the issue and then form an opinion.

I challenged your claims of fact and literally stood there while you all pooped on me for sport. Yet is it not I who came here making outlandish claims for proof. I asked for proof; asked why things work. The deeper we got, the responses of the evolutionists were: troll, idiot and you don't understand -- this response amused me since I took words of other evolutionists in the thread to respond to issues, which apparently there is a great deal of disagreement upon this "fact." Do those responses sound like something an enlighted and educated person would say?

No, they sound like something an uneducated closed minded person would say who is afraid to critically challenge what they have been spoon fed all their lives out of fear that they might have to change their belief system when they see unexplainable holes in what they were taught. All I asked was to prove your beliefs -- thus far you haven't nor can't, which are not based on facts and then open your eyes to the possibility things might not be the way you think. Apparently that is too difficult... In the end, evolutionists believe in blind faith they exist here by either Darwin's explanation or random failures in genetic mutations. Either way, your belief is in blind faith; something I find rather amusing, especially considering how all of you make fun of people who believe in faith of a Creator, ID or some other plausable explanation.

Is it possible that you can't even understand the words coming out of your own mouth? How do you so ignorantly deny the proof when it has been posted for you to see? All you do is deny that people have supported their claims, when they have. You have consistently failed to challange any evidence that anyone has posted. Your argument is simple, and your logic is flawed beyond belief: "Whenever I continue to dissprove you evolutionists (another made-up word here), you can't prove me wrong."

Do you realize how baseless this claim is? You leave people little recourse because you are fundamentally incapable of debating. You have proven that you misunderstand the actual theory, and evidence behind evolution. Another suggestion: Just because you claim that you have not been disproven, doesn't make it so.

It seems that you are simply pissed that others have gone to college, when you have not. You repeat that often, laughing at those who go to school and still can't support their argument. It makes you feel better about yourself when you are convinced that those with more education than you are wrong. They aren't; you are simply an idiot. You have displayed this many times over. The saddest part, however, is that you fail to realize it.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
You did misunderstand ID, not religion, is anti-science. ID holds the contention that evolution may very well be real (hard to deny, unless you have the acumen of someone like dirtboy), but that some structures are far too complex to be explained be evolution. Therefore, we must accept that an intelligent designer is responsible for it. That is where it ceases to be science--when you accept that it is OK not to question something, you have ceased accepting science.

Science doesn't stop asking. It works by questioning itself. Evolution survives because it has never been disproven, despite the limitless attempts to do so. (this is what reasearch aims to do--disprove; not prove)

Of course, the closest I have seen evolution being disproven is the continued ability of dirtboy to breathe and metabolise. (that last one is a big word for you, dirtboy. you might have to look it up )

That makes sense. I am religious and do believe in God, but I absolutely HATE, HATE, HATE the idea/answer(s) that "there are just some things we'll never understand", "no man can understand how God works", etc.... Drives me nuts.

I think God is a God of science. He understands it and knows how to use it. I think we'd be stupid to just up and say that something can't be understood because God did it. Personally, I find it rather insulting to God to say something like that.

JMO though. Thanks for the clarification though, both you and Juddog.

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: loic2003
Just had a read through the thread and can conclude that dirtboy is indeed a fool. He's basically falling on the argument that evolution is a scientific theory, not a complete fact, despite the fact that it's as waterproof as anything. He's been shown to have a child's level of understanding of the required fields and sounds like he's just bleating out what some preacher has said to him. He's a useful example of what intellectual community has to work with, but I dare say he may be useful. By having a pedantic, close minded imbecile pick up on every little detail and try to use it against a sound theory ensures that standards are kept high. The same way greenpeace's sometimes idiotic actions often keeps the government on the striaght and level.

By the same rule, I'd be interested to see if dirtboy believes in gravity? Has he dropped every single rock/atom to be sure that all mass is attrated to all mass? Until this is completed, documented and proven, gravity remains just a theory. yeah, there's an overwhelming amount of evidence to support the theory, but it's not completely proven.

Motion to ban dirtboy in order to bump average IQ levels up a few notches.

Nice job judging me, but you are completely wrong on every aspect. LOL I'm glad you feel better about yourself now that you've insulted me... The AT evolutionists claim to be enlightened and educated, but a recurring theme is when the going gets tough to result towards insults and calling me a troll. Yet none of you call each other names or say how your words or responses are trollish and inappropriate.

And just so you know, the AT evolutionists in the thread said evolution is a fact. Clearly you didn't read every thread and only posted this in effort to make me look bad. I'm not suprised. Why not motion a ban for yourself to improve the IQ level of the board since you fail at reading? I asked the evolutionists to prove the fact; something they can't and you can't.

Evolution is not waterproof. If it was, there would be no debate. What I see in this thread is people go to college and they are spoon fed materials and never stop to critcially think about it. They never challenged the words of their professors, thus making them believe in evolution just as blindly as they claim "Bible thumpers" are. When I went to school, I challenged the professors and asked them to validate things, be responsible for their claims. Clearly critical thinking didn't evolve into the group of people here.

It is this ignorance of the other sides to how things came to be by the AT evolutionists that disappoints me. These highly educated and enlightened people who have claimed to see the true light, come here claiming facts, then insult anyone who disagrees. Yet they don't know all the facts, because evolution is not a fact. If you read through the posts you'd see the evolutionists' responses to issues disagree with each other. How can that be?

If all of you were truely so open minded, and I realize you aren't, you'd study all sides of the issue and then form an opinion.

I challenged your claims of fact and literally stood there while you all pooped on me for sport. Yet is it not I who came here making outlandish claims for proof. I asked for proof; asked why things work. The deeper we got, the responses of the evolutionists were: troll, idiot and you don't understand -- this response amused me since I took words of other evolutionists in the thread to respond to issues, which apparently there is a great deal of disagreement upon this "fact." Do those responses sound like something an enlighted and educated person would say?

No, they sound like something an uneducated closed minded person would say who is afraid to critically challenge what they have been spoon fed all their lives out of fear that they might have to change their belief system when they see unexplainable holes in what they were taught. All I asked was to prove your beliefs -- thus far you haven't nor can't, which are not based on facts and then open your eyes to the possibility things might not be the way you think. Apparently that is too difficult... In the end, evolutionists believe in blind faith they exist here by either Darwin's explanation or random failures in genetic mutations. Either way, your belief is in blind faith; something I find rather amusing, especially considering how all of you make fun of people who believe in faith of a Creator, ID or some other plausable explanation.

You know scientific method, right? The theory of evolution stands because there is no evidence to disprove it, yet much evidence supporting it. If you have testable evidence that does disprove it, then please, enlighten the entire scientific community as they would be most keen to check this evidence out. Otherwise you're simply claiming that basically, since we don't have a time machine and can't physically travel around, proving evolution, that the theory is total crap. Can you not see this?

I already posted it, but please, follow this handy guide, and see where about you end up resting on the elft hand side. We can see natural selection occuring, and there's strong evidence for evolution (many people have demonstrated this in the thread, and you're clearly connected to the internet, so I'll let you use google at your will to see what's out there).

I can't help but feel you're going to say somethign like "uhh, but there's not guaranteed proof, so you're wrong" as you have been repeating, and we'll be going about in circles, and of course, when people get bored of you you'll see it as some kind of small, personal victory for yourself and post it up.
I could argue with you just as long and hard about gravity only being a theory and not proven. Afterall, we're not totally sure how it all works, and it's certainly not scientific fact. Do you believe gravity is real or just a misguided theory? Does an intelligent being push matter towards matter? If you believe in gravity, then why do you?

 

[Soybomb]

Evolution is scientific fact, intelligent design is creationism all gussied up in an attempt to teach religion in public schools. You're free to believe creationism, psychics, or that you're the king of france at home but you can't teach religion on my dime in public schools.

 

[MrK6]

Originally posted by: zinfamousIs it possible that you can't even understand the words coming out of your own mouth? How do you so ignorantly deny the proof when it has been posted for you to see? All you do is deny that people have supported their claims, when they have. You have consistently failed to challange any evidence that anyone has posted. Your argument is simple, and your logic is flawed beyond belief: "Whenever I continue to dissprove you evolutionists (another made-up word here), you can't prove me wrong."

Do you realize how baseless this claim is? You leave people little recourse because you are fundamentally incapable of debating. You have proven that you misunderstand the actual theory, and evidence behind evolution. Another suggestion: Just because you claim that you have not been disproven, doesn't make it so.

It seems that you are simply pissed that others have gone to college, when you have not. You repeat that often, laughing at those who go to school and still can't support their argument. It makes you feel better about yourself when you are convinced that those with more education than you are wrong. They aren't; you are simply an idiot. You have displayed this many times over. The saddest part, however, is that you fail to realize it.

QFT with emphasis on the last part. There's another side to ignorance, and that's denying everything new that's proposed to you because you're too stupid/close-minded to understand and accept it.

Dirtboy, people are getting pissed at you because you are so blindly ignorant, re-read the thread a couple of times and maybe you'll see it. Just to break down responses, here is a reply to each part of your most recent post, maybe this will help you understand everything better (or at least I hope).

Originally posted by: dirtboyAnd just so you know, the AT evolutionists in the thread said evolution is a fact. Clearly you didn't read every thread and only posted this in effort to make me look bad. I'm not suprised. Why not motion a ban for yourself to improve the IQ level of the board since you fail at reading? I asked the evolutionists to prove the fact; something they can't and you can't.

Evolution is not waterproof. If it was, there would be no debate. What I see in this thread is people go to college and they are spoon fed materials and never stop to critcially think about it. They never challenged the words of their professors, thus making them believe in evolution just as blindly as they claim "Bible thumpers" are. When I went to school, I challenged the professors and asked them to validate things, be responsible for their claims. Clearly critical thinking didn't evolve into the group of people here.

Evolution is a theory. Theories, in science, are logical networkings and explanations to an associated set of facts. The "facts" are based on thousands of experiments done by individuals, some of who were the greatest scientific minds to walk the planet, over the last 150 years. If you would like to read any of these, let me know, I can post links to simpler, early ones all the way up to the most recent finds. Evolution IS waterproof, there has not been one major piece of evidence to disprove it. The reason there is a debate is because of two reasons: ignorance and religion, and many of the times these are one in the same. Ignorant people cannot grasp the scientific concepts of evolution, and therefore deny it because they are afraid of what they cannot understand. Religious people cannot grasp that a god had no part direct part in the development of life, and rather that it was an extended, natural process that, while fantastically complex, is neither magical nor holy.

Originally posted by: dirtboyIt is this ignorance of the other sides to how things came to be by the AT evolutionists that disappoints me. These highly educated and enlightened people who have claimed to see the true light, come here claiming facts, then insult anyone who disagrees. Yet they don't know all the facts, because evolution is not a fact. If you read through the posts you'd see the evolutionists' responses to issues disagree with each other. How can that be?

If all of you were truely so open minded, and I realize you aren't, you'd study all sides of the issue and then form an opinion.

I challenged your claims of fact and literally stood there while you all pooped on me for sport. Yet is it not I who came here making outlandish claims for proof. I asked for proof; asked why things work. The deeper we got, the responses of the evolutionists were: troll, idiot and you don't understand -- this response amused me since I took words of other evolutionists in the thread to respond to issues, which apparently there is a great deal of disagreement upon this "fact." Do those responses sound like something an enlighted and educated person would say?

No, they sound like something an uneducated closed minded person would say who is afraid to critically challenge what they have been spoon fed all their lives out of fear that they might have to change their belief system when they see unexplainable holes in what they were taught. All I asked was to prove your beliefs -- thus far you haven't nor can't, which are not based on facts and then open your eyes to the possibility things might not be the way you think. Apparently that is too difficult... In the end, evolutionists believe in blind faith they exist here by either Darwin's explanation or random failures in genetic mutations. Either way, your belief is in blind faith; something I find rather amusing, especially considering how all of you make fun of people who believe in faith of a Creator, ID or some other plausable explanation.

Posts in support for evolution, while at different levels of scientific understanding, haven't been all that different from each other; what discrepencies are bothering you? And the facts are well known among many of us, if no one else wants to lay out the logic, I will gladly post a summary to help in your understanding. Evidently you did not take the time to read some of the articles posted, so here is a quick summary of evolution:

Since the dawn of the first, living organism (which currently is thought to be a combination of RNA/ribozyme, more research is being done in this area), life has developed and evolved. The basic principles of evolution, as explained by Darwin, are that variations exist in populations because of mutations, and these are introduced, recombined, and reshuffled via sexual reproduction, migrations, any other methods. Natural selection, "the strongest survive" part of the theory, states that those mutations/variations that give an individual an advantage over his peers will allow him to reproduce and pass these advatageous variations on, while those traits that are disadvantageous will prevent/hinder an individual from passing them on to the next generation (there are many degrees/categories to what is advantageous/disadvantageous). The major function of evolution is that, over time, advantageous variations come into a higher frequency of expression in a population, so that animals change and develop to become, in plain english, better organisms. The key word is time, it takes millions of years for evolution to occur, but since the world has been around ~4.5 billion years, there's plenty of time for it to occur.

Now you must remember that this is an EXTREMELY oversimplified summary of evolution and that people have spent their lives studying and experimenting on just minute portions of the theory. What do you not understand or see as fact? Blind faith is believing that some big man came out of the sky and put everythign on the ground, that's a five year-old's explanation to the existence of life. Evolution if based purely on fact via the scientific method, it is so completely simple and logical, and based on mounds and mounds of facts and evidence that it is waterproof.

 

[Oceandevi]

Originally posted by: her209
I believe in Intelligent Evolution Design...

Like a trail of dominoes?

Or a star destroyer made of legos?

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: her209
I believe in Intelligent Evolution Design...

I believe in Intelligent Design Evolution. Every time the courts smack down creationism it morphs into some new form.

 

[3NF]

An interesting video on ID, and it isn't trying to push religion on students in school

Unlocking The Mysteries of Life

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: 3NF
An interesting video on ID, and it isn't trying to push religion on students in school

Unlocking The Mysteries of Life

Dembski, Behe, etc. /yawn.

Just note that ID doesn't "unlock" any mystery at all. It simply sweeps any mystery under the "God did it" rug.

 

[3NF]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: 3NF
An interesting video on ID, and it isn't trying to push religion on students in school

Unlocking The Mysteries of Life

Dembski, Behe, etc. /yawn.

Just note that ID doesn't "unlock" any mystery at all. It simply sweeps any mystery under the "God did it" rug.

Sorry it bored you, but I did find it interesting myself. And I'm not trying to say this proves ID But I do think man will at some point intelligently design life. Now if he is the first to do it or not, I guess that's a different question.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: 3NF

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: 3NF
An interesting video on ID, and it isn't trying to push religion on students in school

Unlocking The Mysteries of Life

Dembski, Behe, etc. /yawn.

Just note that ID doesn't "unlock" any mystery at all. It simply sweeps any mystery under the "God did it" rug.

Sorry it bored you, but I did find it interesting myself. And I'm not trying to say this proves ID But I do think man will at some point intelligently design life. Now if he is the first to do it or not, I guess that's a different question.

Don't worry, I turned it off once I saw who the participants were.

I've heard all their arguments many times before and they've all been refuted over and over again.

 

[Soybomb]

Originally posted by: 3NF
An interesting video on ID, and it isn't trying to push religion on students in school

Unlocking The Mysteries of Life

I've watched the first 5 minutes and its still nothing but beach pictures of animals and vague generalities about what an amazing summit of law professors and the like their discussion was. If you'd like to give a couple of what you think are the main high points of the film and how ID isn't religious, I imagine myself or someone else here would be happy to debunk them for you.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: her209
I believe in Intelligent Evolution Design...

I believe in Intelligent Design Evolution. Every time the courts smack down creationism it morphs into some new form.

:thumbsup: too true...sadly...too true...

 

[erickj92]

I would have to say both.....

 

[WHAMPOM]

Did someone ask for an example of a current species evolving? I can name two, gorillas and rabbits. Both have to eat their own ****** for proper nutrition. Their digestive systems are still evolving to fit their diet.


edit: their one time passed through digestive waste, sound better then "******"

 

[oldman420]

what about insects becoming resistant to pesticides?

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: oldman420
what about insects becoming resistant to pesticides?

not to mention antibacterial resistance

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
Is it possible that you can't even understand the words coming out of your own mouth? How do you so ignorantly deny the proof when it has been posted for you to see? All you do is deny that people have supported their claims, when they have. You have consistently failed to challange any evidence that anyone has posted. Your argument is simple, and your logic is flawed beyond belief: "Whenever I continue to dissprove you evolutionists (another made-up word here), you can't prove me wrong."

Do you realize how baseless this claim is? You leave people little recourse because you are fundamentally incapable of debating. You have proven that you misunderstand the actual theory, and evidence behind evolution. Another suggestion: Just because you claim that you have not been disproven, doesn't make it so.

It seems that you are simply pissed that others have gone to college, when you have not. You repeat that often, laughing at those who go to school and still can't support their argument. It makes you feel better about yourself when you are convinced that those with more education than you are wrong. They aren't; you are simply an idiot. You have displayed this many times over. The saddest part, however, is that you fail to realize it.

Do you realize you are wrong on all acounts? I thought not...

 

[So]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: zinfamous
Is it possible that you can't even understand the words coming out of your own mouth? How do you so ignorantly deny the proof when it has been posted for you to see? All you do is deny that people have supported their claims, when they have. You have consistently failed to challange any evidence that anyone has posted. Your argument is simple, and your logic is flawed beyond belief: "Whenever I continue to dissprove you evolutionists (another made-up word here), you can't prove me wrong."

Do you realize how baseless this claim is? You leave people little recourse because you are fundamentally incapable of debating. You have proven that you misunderstand the actual theory, and evidence behind evolution. Another suggestion: Just because you claim that you have not been disproven, doesn't make it so.

It seems that you are simply pissed that others have gone to college, when you have not. You repeat that often, laughing at those who go to school and still can't support their argument. It makes you feel better about yourself when you are convinced that those with more education than you are wrong. They aren't; you are simply an idiot. You have displayed this many times over. The saddest part, however, is that you fail to realize it.

Do you realize you are wrong on all acounts? I thought not...

How can you be so ignorant and indigently proud?

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: loic2003
You know scientific method, right? The theory of evolution stands because there is no evidence to disprove it, yet much evidence supporting it. If you have testable evidence that does disprove it, then please, enlighten the entire scientific community as they would be most keen to check this evidence out. Otherwise you're simply claiming that basically, since we don't have a time machine and can't physically travel around, proving evolution, that the theory is total crap. Can you not see this?

I already posted it, but please, follow this handy guide, and see where about you end up resting on the elft hand side. We can see natural selection occuring, and there's strong evidence for evolution (many people have demonstrated this in the thread, and you're clearly connected to the internet, so I'll let you use google at your will to see what's out there).

I can't help but feel you're going to say somethign like "uhh, but there's not guaranteed proof, so you're wrong" as you have been repeating, and we'll be going about in circles, and of course, when people get bored of you you'll see it as some kind of small, personal victory for yourself and post it up.
I could argue with you just as long and hard about gravity only being a theory and not proven. Afterall, we're not totally sure how it all works, and it's certainly not scientific fact. Do you believe gravity is real or just a misguided theory? Does an intelligent being push matter towards matter? If you believe in gravity, then why do you?

Clearly you don't study the theory of evolution yourself, because if you did, you'd know new scientific finds have happened that challenged how evolutionists have claimed things have happened. Scientific finds by people who are evolutionists.

Clearly you are ignorant on the issue you claim is an absolute. So if they find evidence that contradicts their past beliefs, and you say their past beliefs are absolute, then you believe in blind faith that evolution brought you here.

It's not my fault you claim evolution is an absolute when not even scientific evolutionists who study this for a living will make the same claim.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: loic2003
You know scientific method, right? The theory of evolution stands because there is no evidence to disprove it, yet much evidence supporting it. If you have testable evidence that does disprove it, then please, enlighten the entire scientific community as they would be most keen to check this evidence out. Otherwise you're simply claiming that basically, since we don't have a time machine and can't physically travel around, proving evolution, that the theory is total crap. Can you not see this?

I already posted it, but please, follow this handy guide, and see where about you end up resting on the elft hand side. We can see natural selection occuring, and there's strong evidence for evolution (many people have demonstrated this in the thread, and you're clearly connected to the internet, so I'll let you use google at your will to see what's out there).

I can't help but feel you're going to say somethign like "uhh, but there's not guaranteed proof, so you're wrong" as you have been repeating, and we'll be going about in circles, and of course, when people get bored of you you'll see it as some kind of small, personal victory for yourself and post it up.
I could argue with you just as long and hard about gravity only being a theory and not proven. Afterall, we're not totally sure how it all works, and it's certainly not scientific fact. Do you believe gravity is real or just a misguided theory? Does an intelligent being push matter towards matter? If you believe in gravity, then why do you?

Clearly you don't study the theory of evolution yourself, because if you did, you'd know new scientific finds have happened that challenged how evolutionists have claimed things have happened. Scientific finds by people who are evolutionists.

Clearly you are ignorant on the issue you claim is an absolute. So if they find evidence that contradicts their past beliefs, and you say their past beliefs are absolute, then you believe in blind faith that evolution brought you here.

It's not my fault you claim evolution is an absolute when not even scientific evolutionists who study this for a living will make the same claim.

I demand a LINK to these so called NEW SCIENTIFIC FINDS that challenge "evolutionists" claims.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: MrK6

You're an idiot because you call me an idiot. Otherwise you wouldn't need to say that. Something about that must make you feel better about yourself. Funny how all the evolutionists here like to throw insults and then call me a troll. lol

Why don't you call them on that? Oh yea, cause it makes you all feel better about yourselves to call people on the Internet names.

Darwin didn't even believe in his own evidence, which you'd know if you studied him, but you didn't.

You'd also know the scientific community has said, Darwan was wrong on many things, but you probably didn't know this either.

Some in this thread claim evolution is a fact and nobody should disagree. Clearly that isn't true, because others claim it is a theory. If it was a fact, you should have so much evidence that beyond a reasonable doubt you could convince someone. No such evidence exists today. Much of evolution is based on speculation with the hopes that someday we might find evidence to support it.

Some say evolution happened rapidly through mutations, others claim slowly. Confusion? I'd say so.

Is is scientific fact that birds evolved from dinosaurs? And would you say you base your conviction of evolution on this fact?

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: So
I demand a LINK to these so called NEW SCIENTIFIC FINDS that challenge "evolutionists" claims.

How can you be so ignorant and indigently proud?