As a college student I find it somewhat offensive that you assume that these people are meerly complete idiots. It is more likely that they are not putting in the effort to proofread their papers. I have certianlly had occassions where I have written essays the night before and then got them back latter and realise I amde huge grammatical mistakes. When you are writting after 30 hours of wakefullness and 300mg of caffine you start slipping a little in the quality control department and just try to get something down so you can get to sleep. Perhaps this is only a small assignment and not that important?, hopefully if this were a large percent of their grade then that would be bad. Also, perhaps you are jsut unlucky and got the class all the athletes or something like that?
Is it a 0-100% scale in real terms?
Where I go (in the UK) below 40% is a fail, and above 70% is a top grade, so 60% is quite good
Really high marks are almost impossible to get.
MAW1082
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good grammar, kid.
but seriously, the poster is in tennessee. i don't think it's college kids as a whole, probably a combination of the geographic location of the college and the demographic taking psych classes as a junior or senior. psych classes are for freshmen and sophomores trying to figure out what they really want to major in . . .
Originally posted by: Lonyo
Is it a 0-100% scale in real terms?
Where I go (in the UK) below 40% is a fail, and above 70% is a top grade, so 60% is quite good
Really high marks are almost impossible to get.
90-100 = A
86-89.9 = B+
80-85.9 = B
76-79.9 = C+
70-75.9 = C
60-69.9 = D
below 60 = F
We actually have fairly strict admissions criteria and many of our upper-level psychology courses are linked with biology. They are not just "easy-A's."
TraumaRN
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As a college student, I'll profess that I've seen some horrid papers in my time. And maybe written one or two along the way. And no I dont give a fvck if my grammer is correct in this because I don't believe it says anywhere I'm required to type in APA format on ATOT
Anyways, as a nursing student who is male and about to graduate next semester I'll say that once I got into nursing school, nearly all the 'crap' writing went out the window. Sophomore year I did this monster 15-20 page APA style research based paper on how to care for the blind and visually impaired as a nurse. After 17 pages minus cover page and reference page I ended up with a 96%, 3 grammer errors, no spelling errors, and one incorrectly cited sentence.
Class average on the paper was an 80%
I like to think that I can write coherantly
But I pity you grading those papers. I'm taking a gen ed this semester to stay full time and well it's a requirement to graduate and the well the sheer stupidity in that class is amazingly bad. Ironically, the class is called Intro to Logic.
Anyways, as a nursing student who is male and about to graduate next semester I'll say that once I got into nursing school, nearly all the 'crap' writing went out the window. Sophomore year I did this monster 15-20 page APA style research based paper on how to care for the blind and visually impaired as a nurse. After 17 pages minus cover page and reference page I ended up with a 96%, 3 grammer errors, no spelling errors, and one incorrectly cited sentence.
Class average on the paper was an 80%
I like to think that I can write coherantly
But I pity you grading those papers. I'm taking a gen ed this semester to stay full time and well it's a requirement to graduate and the well the sheer stupidity in that class is amazingly bad. Ironically, the class is called Intro to Logic.
Originally posted by: DeathBUA
As a college student, I'll profess that I've seen some horrid papers in my time. And maybe written one or two along the way. And no I dont give a fvck if my grammer is correct in this because I don't believe it says anywhere I'm required to type in APA format on ATOT
Anyways, as a nursing student who is male and about to graduate next semester I'll say that once I got into nursing school, nearly all the 'crap' writing went out the window. Sophomore year I did this monster 15-20 page APA style research based paper on how to care for the blind and visually impaired as a nurse. After 17 pages minus cover page and reference page I ended up with a 96%, 3 grammer errors, no spelling errors, and one incorrectly cited sentence.
Class average on the paper was an 80%
I like to think that I can write coherantly
But I pity you grading those papers. I'm taking a gen ed this semester to stay full time and well it's a requirement to graduate and the well the sheer stupidity in that class is amazingly bad. Ironically, the class is called Intro to Logic.
haha you were doin great until "coherantly"
TraumaRN
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Originally posted by: spunkz
Originally posted by: DeathBUA
As a college student, I'll profess that I've seen some horrid papers in my time. And maybe written one or two along the way. And no I dont give a fvck if my grammer is correct in this because I don't believe it says anywhere I'm required to type in APA format on ATOT
Anyways, as a nursing student who is male and about to graduate next semester I'll say that once I got into nursing school, nearly all the 'crap' writing went out the window. Sophomore year I did this monster 15-20 page APA style research based paper on how to care for the blind and visually impaired as a nurse. After 17 pages minus cover page and reference page I ended up with a 96%, 3 grammer errors, no spelling errors, and one incorrectly cited sentence.
Class average on the paper was an 80%
I like to think that I can write coherantly
But I pity you grading those papers. I'm taking a gen ed this semester to stay full time and well it's a requirement to graduate and the well the sheer stupidity in that class is amazingly bad. Ironically, the class is called Intro to Logic.
haha you were doin great until "coherantly"
I did that on purpose as an attempt to make myself sound like the people in that damn class.
It's a Monday night class and there were these asswipe freshman all dressed up for class at 7pm. WTF!!!
I'm a college student and I think that's horribly written. I'm no grammar nazi but basic writing, sheesh. In my freshman comp class, I'd write my papers the night before it was due. Not the best idea, but nonetheless my writing wasn't that bad. Then again I did have a prof tear me a new one last year(my 3rd year) on pronoun antecedents and me not using vocabulary that is commensurate with my education.
Why are you grading papers on a friday night? I grade on sunday night at worst.
Luckily for me, I grade for a physics course and therefore don't need to deal with bizarre english mistakes that often because it's all math. Some of these kids can barely write their name though. It's a breath of fresh air when you find the students who highlight their answers and write in a clear way.
Most of the students I grade are science majors other than physics. It seems like every science major at my university (even psychologists, which is not considered science in most circles even though neuroscience is definitely part of psychology) has to take physics at some point. I'm a Physics major and don't have to take any other science of any sort, it's kind of nice.
But come on, I am at least willing to admit that I've never laughed so hard as when I've had to grade exams. A good 4 hours of mind numbing work and every stupid response becomes absolutely hilarious. After 5 hours, everything breaks down into drawing funny pictures on their exams and giggling maniacally as brain matter turns to vapor.
Luckily for me, I grade for a physics course and therefore don't need to deal with bizarre english mistakes that often because it's all math. Some of these kids can barely write their name though. It's a breath of fresh air when you find the students who highlight their answers and write in a clear way.
Most of the students I grade are science majors other than physics. It seems like every science major at my university (even psychologists, which is not considered science in most circles even though neuroscience is definitely part of psychology) has to take physics at some point. I'm a Physics major and don't have to take any other science of any sort, it's kind of nice.
But come on, I am at least willing to admit that I've never laughed so hard as when I've had to grade exams. A good 4 hours of mind numbing work and every stupid response becomes absolutely hilarious. After 5 hours, everything breaks down into drawing funny pictures on their exams and giggling maniacally as brain matter turns to vapor.
College students aren't supposed to be this uptight. Get the stick out of your ass and have a beer :beer:
Mo0o
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Define "can". Do they already have the grades and scores? Or are you saying as long as they have the innate intelligence then they can attend?
You're not factoring in the fact that someone with innate ability might not have the resources available to them to maximize their learning potential. Inner-city schools have less money, thus worse teachers and fewer resources. In addition we are also products of our environment, so kids who are poor, with broken families, who deal with crime everyday, are obviously at a severe disadvantage. This isn't to say it is impossible to get into Harvard when growing up in Compton, but I think you would be purposefully obtuse to say this person has the same chance as a kid who's being educated at Exeter on dad's dime.
Also the way the financial aid system works, alot of times middle class families, who do not qualify for federal assistance, have to pay a huge tuition in order to attend good universities. This usually isn't a problem with the very cream of the crop schools since they have large endowments to give to students. But smaller schools that are still better than most public schools wont be able to offer as much money. So sometimes the limiting factor isn't a person's grades but their checkbook.
Depends on how deep into debt you're willing to go. Going to community college first to save money is actually a great idea for most majors. Even if you want to go to grad school, no one cares if you did two years of community college before finishing at a university with stellar marks.
I'm from one of those middle class families that Mo0o mentioned. I don't qualify for financial aid, and my parents really couldn't afford to send me to a university. Luckily, I have a scholarship and a tuition waiver to a state university that's ranked in the top 25 schools in the nation for my major (including private institutions).
The student loan program is excellent, but when given the choice I avoid unnecessary debt. Two years of community college is not going to change anything, except you'll save money.
episodic
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I don't believe that for a second. If a person can't express themselves in written form, how can a university confer a degree that recognizes them as educated and competent individuals? Disability arguments and issues aside, should students not have excellent written ability by the time they are finishing a bachelor's degree? I certainly would not want to hire a person with a bachelor's degree that could not express thoughts adequately in written form.
Oh my God.. I feel your pain. I am in law school and at least most of the people here can write. Back when I was in college (top 25 school) I knew a lot of people who couldn't form a sentence to save their lives.
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