Intellectual Property issue on facebook last night

[dabuddha]

Sue facebook? For what? Are you stupid or something?

This is about retaining control of someone property.




Park your car in a public place, expect people to use it. That is what most of the people are saying in this thread.

Whether its a car, video, picture,,, you retain ownership regardless of where its parked.



Music broadcast over the airwaves is public property?

When the local radio station plays a song, I can record that song and use it for anything I want?

I'd like to see where anyone said that. Again, your analogy is not valid.

 

[Texashiker]

I'd like to see where anyone said that. Again, your analogy is not valid.

The common consensus of this thread is - if something is placed in a public area, then expect the public to use it.

Your car/suv/truck, music broadcast over the air, pictures,,, if you want to retain ownership, then keep it private.

There is this thing called property rights. When you own something, regardless of where you put it, the item still belongs to you.

Why is a picture or video any less my property then my truck? But if I post a picture on facebook, expect people to steal it. When I park my truck at a grocery store, in public, would I expect people to steal my truck?

My home is on a public street. Could I expect someone to walk into my home while I am not there?

So where do we draw the line on the "If its in the public, then its fair game" excuse?

 

[purbeast0]

The common consensus of this thread is - if something is placed in a public area, then expect the public to use it.

Your car/suv/truck, music broadcast over the air, pictures,,, if you want to retain ownership, then keep it private.

There is this thing called property rights. When you own something, regardless of where you put it, the item still belongs to you.

Why is a picture or video any less my property then my truck? But if I post a picture on facebook, expect people to steal it. When I park my truck at a grocery store, in public, would I expect people to steal my truck?

My home is on a public street. Could I expect someone to walk into my home while I am not there?

So where do we draw the line on the "If its in the public, then its fair game" excuse?

no, that is not the consensus of the thread at all.

the difference is, when you parked your car and someone stole it, you did not agree to a TOS prior to that saying someone could steal/borrow it.

you did when you signed up to facebook.

no way you aren't trolling.

 

[z1ggy]

OP I don't get why you are shitting a brick dude. It's so obvious that if you place a picture on FB that others can re-post it. It's not like they hacked your cell phone and stole the pics off it, then posted the pictures online. It's not like they took your car and drove it away. You put a photo on FB, a publicly shared website, that is free. I stopped reading after the 4th page because you just aren't getting it through your head.

 

[Texashiker]

the difference is, when you parked your car and someone stole it, you did not agree to a TOS prior to that saying someone could steal/borrow it.

you did when you signed up to facebook.

no way you aren't trolling.

Lets see if the facebook TOS works in real life,

Walmart puts up a sign saying "if you park in this parking lot you relinquish the rights to your vehicle".

I park my truck and go do some shopping. While I am gone, someone steals my truck.

You are saying since walmart put up a sign, and I parked my truck, I have no recourse? That whoever stole my truck is now the new owner?

Is that what you are saying?

 

[z1ggy]

Lets see if the facebook TOS works in real life,

Walmart puts up a sign saying "if you park in this parking lot you relinquish the rights to your vehicle".

I park my truck and go do some shopping. While I am gone, someone steals my truck.

You are saying since walmart put up a sign, and I parked my truck, I have no recourse? That whoever stole my truck is now the new owner?

Is that what you are saying?

That would never happen in real life.

And even if it did, wouldn't that require you to release the title to them, have a bill of sale and unregister this vehicle from yourself? If so.. then... yes it could happen I would assume. And if it did..then why would you expect your truck to be yours when you went back to it?

 

[Texashiker]

That would never happen in real life.

Then why is it ok in the cyber world?

Ownership is ownership, either you own the rights to the object, or you dont.

 

[JD50]

Then why is it ok in the cyber world?

Ownership is ownership, either you own the rights to the object, or you dont.

Because intellectual property is not the same as physical property. Christ.

 

[soulcougher73]

The common consensus of this thread is - if something is placed in a public area, then expect the public to use it.

Your car/suv/truck, music broadcast over the air, pictures,,, if you want to retain ownership, then keep it private.

There is this thing called property rights. When you own something, regardless of where you put it, the item still belongs to you.

Why is a picture or video any less my property then my truck? But if I post a picture on facebook, expect people to steal it. When I park my truck at a grocery store, in public, would I expect people to steal my truck?

Your analogy is wrong. If they steal your truck its gone. If they 'copy' your picture you still retain the original copy 100 percent intact.

Totally different things.

 

[purbeast0]

Lets see if the facebook TOS works in real life,

Walmart puts up a sign saying "if you park in this parking lot you relinquish the rights to your vehicle".

I park my truck and go do some shopping. While I am gone, someone steals my truck.

You are saying since walmart put up a sign, and I parked my truck, I have no recourse? That whoever stole my truck is now the new owner?

Is that what you are saying?

putting up a sign is not the same as signing an agreement, which you did digitally when you signed up for facebook.

you really are one dense person.

alky 2.0

 

[Texashiker]

Your analogy is wrong. If they steal your truck its gone. If they 'copy' your picture you still retain the original copy 100 percent intact.

Totally different things.

putting up a sign is not the same as signing an agreement, which you did digitally when you signed up for facebook.

you really are one dense person.

alky 2.0

Its about retaining control of your property.

When someone copies an image, video, music,,, you lose control of it.

 

[z1ggy]

Then why is it ok in the cyber world?

Ownership is ownership, either you own the rights to the object, or you dont.

You own a truck. If you have the title that says this is mine, and somebody takes this truck with out you releasing title to them, you have the right to take legal action. A digital photo is not your sole property if you post it to a website like facebook. Why don't you understand this? The moment you put this photo on the web, it became subject to anybody else in the world from copying it and doodling all the little Hitler mustaches on the baby they want.

 

[z1ggy]

Its about retaining control of your property.

When someone copies an image, video, music,,, you lose control of it.

So you are saying that Beyonce doesn't still control any of her songs, even though 38394839843 people have bought her CDs? The hell man...

 

[Texashiker]

You own a truck. If you have the title that says this is mine, and somebody takes this truck with out you releasing title to them, you have the right to take legal action. A digital photo is not your sole property if you post it to a website like facebook. Why don't you understand this? The moment you put this photo on the web, it became subject to anybody else in the world from copying it and doodling all the little Hitler mustaches on the baby they want.

Then explain to me what napster was shutdown?

Explain to me why viacom is in a muti-billion dollar lawsuit with youtube?

Explain to me why the recording industry of america can sue people for distributing music and movies?

A lot of artist put their videos on youtube, this does not give people the right to download and redistribute those videos.

So you are saying that Beyonce doesn't still control any of her songs, even though 38394839843 people have bought her CDs? The hell man...

Those people bought a license to use that music. They did not own the music. Beyonce retains ownership of the music.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Lets see if the facebook TOS works in real life,

Walmart puts up a sign saying "if you park in this parking lot you relinquish the rights to your vehicle".

I park my truck and go do some shopping. While I am gone, someone steals my truck.

You are saying since walmart put up a sign, and I parked my truck, I have no recourse? That whoever stole my truck is now the new owner?

Is that what you are saying?

Apples vs Oranges. Keep on trolling.

 

[Texashiker]

Apples vs Oranges. Keep on trolling.

Trolling because someone wants to retain control of their property?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Trolling because someone wants to retain control of their property?

Again, have you reported those pics to FB? Or you thought it was better to complain here? People have explained the ToS of FB and you don't want to agree but you're not complaining to FB.

And yes, your analogy demonstrates that you have no clue what you're talking about since it's not a valid comparison. So, you're either a retard, troll or retarded troll.

 

[lxskllr]

Then explain to me what napster was shutdown?

Explain to me why viacom is in a muti-billion dollar lawsuit with youtube?

Explain to me why the recording industry of america can sue people for distributing music and movies?

A lot of artist put their videos on youtube, this does not give people the right to download and redistribute those videos.



Those people bought a license to use that music. They did not own the music. Beyonce retains ownership of the music.

Because big media in America is out of control. Just because some groups buy laws, and exploit our sham of a court system, doesn't make it right.

 

[Texashiker]

Again, have you reported those pics to FB? Or you thought it was better to complain here? People have explained the ToS of FB and you don't want to agree but you're not complaining to FB.

The owner of the images sent the person who edited and re-uploaded the images a message, and the images were removed.

And yes, your analogy demonstrates that you have no clue what you're talking about since it's not a valid comparison. So, you're either a retard, troll or retarded troll.

I see excuses from people who have never created Intellectual Property, so they have nothing to protect.

The other issue I see is a culture who thinks theft of Intellectual Property is excusable.

~ EDIT ~

Your truck, car, motorcycle, boat,,, gets stolen, then its a big deal.

Your images, videos or music gets stolen, then its no big deal. Since it was on the net it was fair game,

 

[GlacierFreeze]

Again, have you reported those pics to FB? Or you thought it was better to complain here? People have explained the ToS of FB and you don't want to agree but you're not complaining to FB.

And yes, your analogy demonstrates that you have no clue what you're talking about since it's not a valid comparison. So, you're either a retard, troll or retarded troll.

This. /\ Go to FB staff, not waste of time whining on here where no one can do anything. Sheesh.

Plus it's always funny when people put stuff on Facebook and complain when people post replies to their statuses or pics or whatever. Facebook is made for keeping people "connected." That's the point of the dang site. Put a pic on there, and it's going to get seen, commented on, "liked," and even "shared." Get real, Texas. Quit being intentionally dense. You should be mad at yourself for putting it on the Internet in the first place. Once you put something on the 'net, it's always on there.

 

[lxskllr]

I see excuses from people who have never created Intellectual Property, so they have nothing to protect.

The other issue I see is a culture who thinks theft of Intellectual Property is excusable.

I've already said I create things, and they're free for anyone who chooses to to use them as long as they give the same freedoms to others I gave to them. Some of us aren't petty twats that try to retain knowledge just to leverage control over others.

You might want to read this, but I doubt you'll get much from it...

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/misinterpreting-copyright.html

 

[z1ggy]

Did you register your photos with the US copyrights office? If not.. then... I don't get your problem right meow. Soon as that picture touched FB, you lost. Move along now.

 

[soulcougher73]

Its about retaining control of your property.

When someone copies an image, video, music,,, you lose control of it.

Then maybe don't post it publically for others to see on a site designed for just that sort of thing.

 

[soulcougher73]

The owner of the images sent the person who edited and re-uploaded the images a message, and the images were removed.




I see excuses from people who have never created Intellectual Property, so they have nothing to protect.

The other issue I see is a culture who thinks theft of Intellectual Property is excusable.

~ EDIT ~

Your truck, car, motorcycle, boat,,, gets stolen, then its a big deal.

Your images, videos or music gets stolen, then its no big deal. Since it was on the net it was fair game,

If they actually broke into your home and physical stole the actual item then yes it would be a legal matter. But you shared these items and then complain someone used them.

Don't share what you don't want others to have.

 

[Bazake]

I see excuses from people who have never created Intellectual Property, so they have nothing to protect.

I think it's funny that you're arguing that no one knows what it's like to create intellectual property while at the same time admitting that all you did was snapped a family photo and uploaded it to Facebook.

Guess what? Practically the ENTIRE WORLD has done that!