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Intel X-25M 160GB SSD now available

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
What about OCZ Vertex drives? They're much faster in write times.
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Wait until they're reviewed by a couple of the reputable sites to make sure the stutter - random write - problem has been addressed.
 
Not in this economy. I like my X-25, but there's no way I could splurge on another component upgrade that cost pretty more than most midrange systems.
 
Yeah, When are the Vertex drives supposed to finally be available?? Seems like its been a couple months since these drives have been announced and I still can't find them for sale anywhere...
 
Originally posted by: meson2000
Yeah, When are the Vertex drives supposed to finally be available?? Seems like its been a couple months since these drives have been announced and I still can't find them for sale anywhere...
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According to their forums, they'll be available in 1-2 weeks. It was slightly delayed for a firmware update.

They also have the Vertex 2 coming out in a few months which has built in raid.
 
Originally posted by: TimBob
According to their forums, they'll be available in 1-2 weeks. It was slightly delayed for a firmware update.

They also have the Vertex 2 coming out in a few months which has built in raid.
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Raid0 on single drive for more bandwidth or what?
 
Originally posted by: Denithor
Originally posted by: TimBob
According to their forums, they'll be available in 1-2 weeks. It was slightly delayed for a firmware update.

They also have the Vertex 2 coming out in a few months which has built in raid.
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Raid0 on single drive for more bandwidth or what?
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Thats what I gathered. 500 MB/s read and write or something along those lines.
 
Originally posted by: Denithor
Originally posted by: TimBob
According to their forums, they'll be available in 1-2 weeks. It was slightly delayed for a firmware update.

They also have the Vertex 2 coming out in a few months which has built in raid.
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Raid0 on single drive for more bandwidth or what?
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that has actually been the standard for a very long time. heck the intel drive is essentially doing raid0 on 10 separate chips. Except, it also takes wear leveling and other issues into account.

As for the cost of the new drives... 2x the size for 1.5x the cost, makes it cheaper per GB
 
The g.skill Titan looks like it could be interesting as well. Check out this review. $300 for 128 gb. Not too bad.

http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=804&p=7

Here's an important part of the review regarding stuttering:

Edit: More than a few of you have been concerned with the lack of cache featured on the G.Skill Titan SSD?s. In the past MLC drives that have not been supported by a memory buffer have suffered from a ?shuddering? problem which causes the system to constantly hang once the small buffer within the controller is full.

The JMicron 602B controller has been the main culprit, the very controller that is used by the Titan SSD?s. This controller only features a tiny 16KB cache where as the Intel MLC controller scores a much bigger 256KB cache. This shuddering problem is most evident when reading and writing data at the same time.

Extracting a large amount of compressed files while trying to surf the net would be a real-world example of this scenario. However the G.Skill Titan features two JMicron 602B controllers which work in a RAID0 like configuration, and this seems to have solved the shuddering problem, at least as far as we can tell.

For roughly a week now I have been running Windows Vista 64-bit on the G.Skill Titan 128GB SSD, and if I am honest, it is incredible. Previously I was using the Intel X25-M, which was also very good. However there is a noticeable improvement when using the G.Skill Titan 128GB SSD. There is certainly no delay at all, and I have never seen a Core i7 965 Extreme Edition system move with such incredible pace - almost everything is instant!
 
1. they are GUESSING it would cost 300 because the most expensive Gskill SSD costs that much and Gskill is undercutting their competitors in price usually.. so we have no idea how much it would cost. but if it is really better than the intel, I would guess it would be at least 700$, it will be silly otherwise.
2. AFAIK The intel drive does not have a 256k cache, it has 256k of ram used by the controller to run their wear leveling algorithm and other lifespan increasing functions.

I am curious as to what anand has to say about this gskill drive though, gskill is an excellent company, in the past year most the ram i bought was from them. They are going above and beyond in customer service, they sell for less money, and they give excellent performance AND compatibility with hardware and standards (aka, none of that "boot with a different stick, change bios settings, put our sticks in, boot with it).
 
Originally posted by: taltamir
1. they are GUESSING it would cost 300 because the most expensive Gskill SSD costs that much and Gskill is undercutting their competitors in price usually.. so we have no idea how much it would cost. but if it is really better than the intel, I would guess it would be at least 700$, it will be silly otherwise.
2. AFAIK The intel drive does not have a 256k cache, it has 256k of ram used by the controller to run their wear leveling algorithm and other lifespan increasing functions.

I am curious as to what anand has to say about this gskill drive though, gskill is an excellent company, in the past year most the ram i bought was from them. They are going above and beyond in customer service, they sell for less money, and they give excellent performance AND compatibility with hardware and standards (aka, none of that "boot with a different stick, change bios settings, put our sticks in, boot with it).
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Actually, $299 is the price on Newegg, but not in stock atm. I'm excited to see reviews on the new offerings from OCZ and G.Skill. I'll probably be ordering one of them in the next few weeks.
 
Kind of OT, but anybody notice that Kingston is now selling rebadged Intel drives (some are listed on NewEgg)? First of all, I'm surprised Intel is allowing others to sell their drives, and second of all, it doesn't make any sense. Price for drives are the same, so what's the point? 😕
 
AFAIK is they are Jmicron control with itnel MLC chips (Which are the same in performance as the samsung mlc chips). so it is not an intel drive.
 
this technology has to mature a lot. buying it now means paying for existing and future development that billions are gonna use for tenth of today's price.
 
AFAIK is they are Jmicron control with itnel MLC chips (Which are the same in performance as the samsung mlc chips). so it is not an intel drive.
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No they are rebadged X25-M and X25-E chips. You are just assuming its a different one.

AFAIK The intel drive does not have a 256k cache, it has 256k of ram used by the controller to run their wear leveling algorithm and other lifespan increasing functions.
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The 256KB cache is on the controller and 128Mbit(16MB) Samsung chip also exists.
 
Originally posted by: Denithor
Originally posted by: TimBob
According to their forums, they'll be available in 1-2 weeks. It was slightly delayed for a firmware update.

They also have the Vertex 2 coming out in a few months which has built in raid.
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Raid0 on single drive for more bandwidth or what?
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Yes, this is how the Intel X-25s are so fast as well. Well, I don't know if it's Raid0 for sure, but somewhere down the hardware chain they've got chips in parallel.
 
Originally posted by: postmortemIA
this technology has to mature a lot. buying it now means paying for existing and future development that billions are gonna use for tenth of today's price.
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Yes you are right. But if I had the money I could completely justify buying the Intel 160GB card or similarly sized G.skill/OCZ/whatever assuming the stuttering is fixed.

Why? These cards are going to last you for 5-10 years performance wise, and will last just as long as that from the wearing out side of the coin. They notify you when they're about to fail, it's very predictable. Assuming the wear leveling is functioning correctly (and with Intel you can trust it is), when the size of the drive starts shrinking (down to about 95%) then you know the rest of the drive is about to die as well.

It's kinda the same reason, had I the money, I would have made the same decision back when the q6600 came out. With 8GB of ram and a Q6600 OC'd to 3.8Ghz on water, 2 or however many years ago-- that setup was future proof, you just have to upgrade the graphics card now or in a year and you'll be good for another 3+ years.
 
I'd have to look into it, but they usually continue writing until they're down to 97% of their capacity, and they start with about 105% of advertised. After that 8% is gone, the rest of the cells are soon next.

Now that you mention it that does sound right....I don't recall though.
 
AFAIK is they are Jmicron control with itnel MLC chips (Which are the same in performance as the samsung mlc chips). so it is not an intel drive.
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No they are rebadged X25-M and X25-E chips. You are just assuming its a different one.
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What i described EXISTS, I figured he saw more of those Jmicron + intel MLC which I have seen. I did say as far as I know. It is interesting to see they are actually rebadging them now.
 
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