Intel Vs AMD CPU's

[M4LMiniMe]

with stock heatsinks does amd cpu heat up more than Intel cpu's.
dual core cpus

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: M4LMiniMe
with stock heatsinks does amd cpu heat up more than Intel cpu's.
dual core cpus

It's the other way around...the Intel dual core is almost twice as hot as the AMD X2.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: M4LMiniMe
with stock heatsinks does amd cpu heat up more than Intel cpu's.
dual core cpus

It's the other way around...the Intel dual core is almost twice as hot as the AMD X2.

its not twice as hot. it uses more power. there is a difference.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: M4LMiniMe
with stock heatsinks does amd cpu heat up more than Intel cpu's.
dual core cpus

It's the other way around...the Intel dual core is almost twice as hot as the AMD X2.

its not twice as hot. it uses more power. there is a difference.

Sigh...nobody takes Physics anymore.
Read up on Conservation of Energy when you get a chance...in essence, the electrical energy used is dissapated as heat. That's why heat estimates like TDP and others are measured in watts...
While it's not twice as hot (or uses twice as much energy), it is almost their (for both).

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: M4LMiniMe
with stock heatsinks does amd cpu heat up more than Intel cpu's.
dual core cpus

It's the other way around...the Intel dual core is almost twice as hot as the AMD X2.

its not twice as hot. it uses more power. there is a difference.

Sigh...nobody takes Physics anymore.
Read up on Conservation of Energy when you get a chance...in essence, the electrical energy used is dissapated as heat. That's why heat estimates like TDP and others are measured in watts...
While it's not twice as hot (or uses twice as much energy), it is almost their (for both).

actually i am a physics major and ive taken plenty of the core classes so far, but thanks.

intel CPUs consume more power, but after the HSFs are applied the temperatures are not even close to double. not even in the ballpark of double.

what does conservation of energy have to do with this? you just want to sound smart. you would be right if you took the heatsinks off of both chips and tested their temps that way, but when you throw on a big chunk of metal to pull heat off, the temps are pretty similar.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: M4LMiniMe
with stock heatsinks does amd cpu heat up more than Intel cpu's.
dual core cpus

It's the other way around...the Intel dual core is almost twice as hot as the AMD X2.

its not twice as hot. it uses more power. there is a difference.

Sigh...nobody takes Physics anymore.
Read up on Conservation of Energy when you get a chance...in essence, the electrical energy used is dissapated as heat. That's why heat estimates like TDP and others are measured in watts...
While it's not twice as hot (or uses twice as much energy), it is almost their (for both).

actually i am a physics major and ive taken plenty of the core classes so far, but thanks.

intel CPUs consume more power, but after the HSFs are applied the temperatures are not even close to double. not even in the ballpark of double.

what does conservation of energy have to do with this? you just want to sound smart. you would be right if you took the heatsinks off of both chips and tested their temps that way, but when you throw on a big chunk of metal to pull heat off, the temps are pretty similar.

1. So as a physics major, you are stating that with equivalent HSFs on both CPUs, they are near the same temp...even though one uses twice the power. You need to get your money back...
2. Conservation of Energy applies in that for every watt of power that is input, some form of equivalent energy must be output. As the only form of output is heat dissapation, I should think the rest would be obvious!

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Viditor

1. So as a physics major, you are stating that with equivalent HSFs on both CPUs, they are near the same temp...even though one uses twice the power. You need to get your money back...
2. Conservation of Energy applies in that for every watt of power that is input, some form of equivalent energy must be output. As the only form of output is heat dissapation, I should think the rest would be obvious!

you apparently did not understand and now you have resorted to personal attacks. nice.

the heat capacitance of copper makes up for the increased output of an intel chip. i just said you would be right if you took off the heatsinks, but since that isnt how temps are tested, it isnt applicable. in that case, CoE is relevant, but as i just stated we dont test like that, so CoE is irrelevant.

if you knew anything about heat transfer then you would understand what i am saying. the ability of a copper block to move heat away from the source is what makes the temperatures similar. if the block can efficiently move 150w of heat quickly enough to keep the source cool then anything below that threshold should be within a standard deviation.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th

Originally posted by: Viditor

1. So as a physics major, you are stating that with equivalent HSFs on both CPUs, they are near the same temp...even though one uses twice the power. You need to get your money back...
2. Conservation of Energy applies in that for every watt of power that is input, some form of equivalent energy must be output. As the only form of output is heat dissapation, I should think the rest would be obvious!

you apparently did not understand and now you have resorted to personal attacks. nice.

the heat capacitance of copper makes up for the increased output of an intel chip. i just said you would be right if you took off the heatsinks, but since that isnt how temps are tested, it isnt applicable. in that case, CoE is relevant, but as i just stated we dont test like that, so CoE is irrelevant.

Didn't mean it as a personal attack, more as a tongue in cheek jibe...no offense meant.
As to the rest,
1. We are speaking of relative heat, so given an equality of HSF, the Intel is still far hotter.
2. The heat is transferred into the case, so it still remains a problem
3. Even copper is not even close to a 100% efficient thermal conductor (not sure what you mean by "heat capacitance"), and so even measured heat (if we were to actual be able to do that) within the CPU package is drastically higher for Intel...even with the HSF.


Let me add a quote from Anand...

Surprisingly enough, it is. Clock for clock, the Athlon 64 X2 will consume less power than a 130nm Athlon 64, and less than 20% more power than a 90nm Athlon 64. Note that the Athlon 64 X2 4200+ compared here also consumes less power than all single core 90nm Intel Pentium 4 CPUs. Even the Athlon 64 X2 4800+ consumes less power than all single core 90nm Pentium 4 CPUs

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2410&p=2

 

[imported_rod]

Originally posted by: Viditor
1. So as a physics major, you are stating that with equivalent HSFs on both CPUs, they are near the same temp...even though one uses twice the power. You need to get your money back...
2. Conservation of Energy applies in that for every watt of power that is input, some form of equivalent energy must be output. As the only form of output is heat dissapation, I should think the rest would be obvious!

1. With equivalent HSF's they still wouldn't be hugely different. The rate of heat transfer is determined by the difference in temperatures between the HSF and the Air. So if the Intel CPU is twice as hot, it will be dissipating more heat faster than the same HSF on an AMD chip.
2. Heat is not the only output from the chip. The main output from the chip is actually the signals it sends to the other components of the computer (Northbridge/memory etc...).

RoD

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: rod

Originally posted by: Viditor
1. So as a physics major, you are stating that with equivalent HSFs on both CPUs, they are near the same temp...even though one uses twice the power. You need to get your money back...
2. Conservation of Energy applies in that for every watt of power that is input, some form of equivalent energy must be output. As the only form of output is heat dissapation, I should think the rest would be obvious!

1. With equivalent HSF's they still wouldn't be hugely different. The rate of heat transfer is determined by the difference in temperatures between the HSF and the Air. So if the Intel CPU is twice as hot, it will be dissipating more heat faster than the same HSF on an AMD chip.
2. Heat is not the only output from the chip. The main output from the chip is actually the signals it sends to the other components of the computer (Northbridge/memory etc...).

RoD

And that all means dick to me, the end-user. How loud the stock coooler's fan is when it ramps up, and most importantly, the difference in my electric bill after a year of running my DCprojects 24/7 is where the meat&potatoes be 😉

 

[thecoolnessrune]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH Attack of the physics majors!!!!! Physics Majors just hijacked the thread!!! OMG!!!!!!

Can't wait to take physics next year 😉

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH Attack of the physics majors!!!!! Physics Majors just hijacked the thread!!! OMG!!!!!!

Can't wait to take physics next year 😉

we were just trying to help. didnt mean to hijack the thread.

Viditor, rod said what i was going to say in response. btw, no hard feelings...i havent been to sleep since yesterday night so im a little tired.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

np guys. just keep the arguments down a weeeeeeeeee bit and have a constructive argument. (This would make a good off-topic thread). BATTLE OF THE PHYSICS MAJORS!!!

 

[coomar]

i'm a physics major as well

intel dual-cores run hotter than x2's

 

[Markfw]

Actually, I think everybody here agrees on the same basic thing, the current round of Intel CPU's take a LOT more power and produce a LOT more heat than the AMD CPU's that are at the same price point and range. I can;t say equivalent performance, becuase right now AMD dominates all categories except mobile, and then at least AMD has a real competitor with the Turion.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: coomar
i'm a physics major as well

intel dual-cores run hotter than x2's

what is your point? no one ever disagreed with that statement, and did you think qualifying your opinion by stating your major somehow made your opinion more valid? i said it earlier as a matter-of-fact statement, not as a way to make my opinion more valid. food for thought.

 

[Markbnj]

I was a journalism major, and can thus state with scientific certainty and the full-throated power of my educational background that Intel sucks.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Markbnj
I was a journalism major, and can thus state with scientific certainty and the full-throated power of my educational background that Intel sucks.

that is a gross overstatement and untrue at the very least. so they made a mistake and fell behind a little...they lead the market for years before that. they will come back strong next round, and even if they dont, they still dont suck.

 

[Markfw]

They sure suck a lot of power , that's a fact ! So actually he was correct !

 

[Markbnj]

Exactly. Once again academics triumphs over religion.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Markbnj
Exactly. Once again academics triumphs over religion.

if you noticed in my rig link i own an x2. i am not an intel zealot, but saying they suck is just stupid and wrong.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th

Originally posted by: Markbnj
Exactly. Once again academics triumphs over religion.

if you noticed in my rig link i own an x2. i am not an intel zealot, but saying they suck is just stupid and wrong.

Humor is escaping you today !

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th

Originally posted by: Markbnj
Exactly. Once again academics triumphs over religion.

if you noticed in my rig link i own an x2. i am not an intel zealot, but saying they suck is just stupid and wrong.

Humor is escaping you today !

He just needs nappy time 😀

 

[Zenbeatnik]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th

Originally posted by: Markbnj
Exactly. Once again academics triumphs over religion.

if you noticed in my rig link i own an x2. i am not an intel zealot, but saying they suck is just stupid and wrong.

Humor is escaping you today !

But not me...

Originally posted by: Markfw900

They sure suck a lot of power , that's a fact ! So actually he was correct !

lmao

It seems this debate is producing more heat than the two processors combined. lol

 

[M4LMiniMe]

thank you for your input.. I know can make up my decision on getting the amd


thank you everyone