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Intel to Omit Release of Enthusiast-Class "Ivy Bridge" Processors This Year.

I don't think it's lack of competition from AMD. At the top end Intel is really competing against Sandy Bridge anyway. If they could produce and market a chip with enough added performance that SB-E users would upgrade to IB-E they would, regardless of what AMD is doing.
 
MrTeal said:
I don't think it's lack of competition from AMD. At the top end Intel is really competing against Sandy Bridge anyway. If they could produce and market a chip with enough added performance that SB-E users would upgrade to IB-E they would, regardless of what AMD is doing.
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exactly... i'm waiting to upgrade my SB-E.. 😵
 
MrTeal said:
I don't think it's lack of competition from AMD. At the top end Intel is really competing against Sandy Bridge anyway. If they could produce and market a chip with enough added performance that SB-E users would upgrade to IB-E they would, regardless of what AMD is doing.
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It is 100% to do with lack of competition and not from a malicious perspective but rather from a realistic perspective.

When you are in cutting edge technology you don't always even know what is possible. If you see competition producing stuff faster than you then you are motivated to do better because you know it's possible to do better. When you are a trendsetter you sometimes don't even know if what you are trying to accomplish is physically possible. This mindset can sub-consciously have a negative effect on your work.

At least when I was talking to an Intel chip guy this is what he was telling me and it made total sense.
 
So it looks like I'm going with either a 3960K or a IB quad depending on how high they OC. I thought it would be too early for IB-e since SB-e just came out not too long ago.
 
Didn't Intel already state they are having some issues with 22nm a little while ago. Not gonna dig around for it but thinking I did read it somewhere.
 
SB-E would've been out for barely six months if IB-E was released with the rest of the line. It shouldn't be news or even surprising.
 
CLite said:
It is 100% to do with lack of competition and not from a malicious perspective but rather from a realistic perspective.

When you are in cutting edge technology you don't always even know what is possible. If you see competition producing stuff faster than you then you are motivated to do better because you know it's possible to do better. When you are a trendsetter you sometimes don't even know if what you are trying to accomplish is physically possible. This mindset can sub-consciously have a negative effect on your work.

At least when I was talking to an Intel chip guy this is what he was telling me and it made total sense.
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It's very easy to appear knowledgeable/intelligent when your budget is 10x the competition's. Let's see what they do in the long run as others start to make up ground on them.
 
Starting off with I dont have any more knowledge of future processors in the Enthusiast space then what many of you do.

I wonder what "≥" that sits in front of the i7-3960X? Could it be that there is plans for something that we are not putting on the roadmap? I don't know but the simple rule of thumb to remember we try to have our products have at least a 1 year life span in the desktop space.
 
Milking the 3960X for all it's worth. It was worth $1k when it came out; it's a outdated end of life product now, it's no longer worth $1k but they are going to keep it there.

Anybody buying these buys them on launch when they will get the longest life out of them. Buying it now is like buying an Apple product that's already been on the market for 6 months.

So nothing new this year, that puts the 3960X on top for almost a year and a half. Yeah, it's lack of competition alright.

On the other hand if you got one on launch, you can smile knowing that your 6 month old CPU will still be uncontested for a whole 'nother year :biggrin: Not having to worry about being dethroned or spending a dime upgrading for an entire year and a half isn't something we get to enjoy very often in the PC world.
 
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heh 32nm has already been in production longer than 90 and 65 and they have only begun to milk the enthusiast segment. so much for tick-tock.
 
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Meeeeeeehhhhh.

That sucks. There is no way I will get an IB-E if the Haswell release is a few months afterwards. SB-E vs IB is preferable to IB imo, but IB-E vs Haswell, I am thinking Haswell wins that one.
 
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IBe is effectively cancelled

and it's no wonder, SBe and E5 xeons got pushed so far back, by the time it can be on the market long enough to recoup it's costs, Haswell will have already been out a while

might as well just skip IBe and move right on to HWe
 
exdeath said:
Milking the 3960X for all it's worth. It was worth $1k when it came out; it's a outdated end of life product now, it's no longer worth $1k but they are going to keep it there.

Anybody buying these buys them on launch when they will get the longest life out of them. Buying it now is like buying an Apple product that's already been on the market for 6 months.

So nothing new this year, that puts the 3960X on top for almost a year and a half. Yeah, it's lack of competition alright.

On the other hand if you got one on launch, you can smile knowing that your 6 month old CPU will still be uncontested for a whole 'nother year :biggrin: Not having to worry about being dethroned or spending a dime upgrading for an entire year and a half isn't something we get to enjoy very often in the PC world.
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+1





Edgemeal said:
AMD publicly stated they are no longer interested in pursuing the hi-end desktop CPU market and chasing Intel, so you can count AMD out of that race.

AMD moves away from Intel rivalry, rethinks course

Understanding AMD's Roadmap & New Direction
"The days of AMD chasing Intel for the high-end desktop market are done though. That war is officially over."

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This. No competition, no need to release new products
 
That makes sense. SBe just came out. Even Intel can't afford to superannuate high-end processor lines every six months. I freaked out because I thought it meant the IB "K" chips would be delayed, which is of course stupid.
 
tynopik said:
IBe is effectively cancelled
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that is what I am reading (between the lines). IB-E was pushed back on one road map to late 2013 to give SB-E at least a year long run.

The IB replacement will be out before then, and dealing with enthusiast processors based on 12 month plus old tech is not going to get people parting with $1000 for a chip, no matter how they spin it.

But then with the 1356 socket chips, they did so well as they where released in advance of the main stream, but some articals I read indicated intel got a lot of flac for doing that (new tech the common person could not buy).

looking at dual cpu 1155 socket xeons is looking more like a better option for those wanting to go enthusiast if the treatment of them grows with the current trend.
 
CLite said:
It is 100% to do with lack of competition and not from a malicious perspective but rather from a realistic perspective.

When you are in cutting edge technology you don't always even know what is possible. If you see competition producing stuff faster than you then you are motivated to do better because you know it's possible to do better. When you are a trendsetter you sometimes don't even know if what you are trying to accomplish is physically possible. This mindset can sub-consciously have a negative effect on your work.

At least when I was talking to an Intel chip guy this is what he was telling me and it made total sense.
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That might be a small part of it but you can tell that the lack of competition has lead to them prioritizing more profitable design rather than chasing a performance target. They're definitely waiting to ramp 22nm until they work out most of the kinks of the process that are negatively effecting yield to maximize profits at launch at this point because AMD isn't breathing down their neck anymore. I submit as evidence the fact that most of their 32nm processors have huge headroom (they're not clocking them as aggressively as they have in the past in order to maximize yield) and we haven't seen many price cuts on their sandy bridge parts.
 
Filiprino said:
High-end should have the absolute latest in process and architecture tech. It should be the pinnacle of what the company has to offer, not an after thought like Intel has given use in Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge and Haswell.

The high-end should be the first chips to come out to début the latest and greatest. If Intel expects you to pay a premium for the high-end then part of that premium should be getting new architecture first.
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well said by one poster from xbitlabs
 
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