Intel to Manufacture ARM CPUs for Altera

[littlebluesmurf]

7200 RPM drives are awful for laptop and Every MacBook Pro has had a discrete GPU so I'm going to file this under "you don't know what the hell you're talking about."

Since when were iMac's and a Mac mini's laptops, they both use laptop hard drives now, but power and heat should not be problems that you get with a laptop? So why are they awful?

Finally the Mac Mini from early 2006 until early 2009 used Intel GMA 950 for graphics. It also featured in the Macbook and the iMac.

 

[fteoath64]

Scandalous? Whats that for a weird strawman?

Its Intel reducing future risk by getting into the arm business in due time using their process knowledge as leverage. Makes perfect sense. And could be good busines for many including Intel.

Intel is going into arm because they think there is a market.
They do it now.

If anyone had predicted that 3 year ago i would have laughed my head of.

Disagree!. If Intel were to get into ARM in a serious way, they can corner ALL the 64-bit Arm chips if they were to build the best/fastest/same price chips for the market. But that would erode the x86 market sooner than they wanted. So they had a legacy of holding on to x86 for as long as it is financially viable. They probably think they have another 5 years of life for x86 while "not helping ARM" by making money off it!.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Disagree!. If Intel were to get into ARM in a serious way, they can corner ALL the 64-bit Arm chips if they were to build the best/fastest/same price chips for the market. But that would erode the x86 market sooner than they wanted. So they had a legacy of holding on to x86 for as long as it is financially viable. They probably think they have another 5 years of life for x86 while "not helping ARM" by making money off it!.

LOL. They have every intention of insuring that x86 lives on forever.

 

[Phynaz]

LOL. They have every intention of insuring that x86 lives on forever.

Pundits have been talking about the death of x86 for the last 30 years. And they will be still talking about it 30 years from now.

 

[Exophase]

Pundits have been talking about the death of x86 for the last 30 years. And they will be still talking about it 30 years from now.

No one should be talking about what will or won't be around in computing a distant 30 years in the future..

 

[ShintaiDK]

Right now x86 is going into ARM segments. ARM is not going anywhere in x86 segments. So maybe the question should be, will there be any ARM left in the lucrative devices in 5 years.

 

[Khato]

So maybe the question should be, will there be any ARM left in the lucrative devices in 5 years.

My guess is that there will be. You'll have x number of x86 cores in your SoC playing the CPU role and then y number of ARM micro controllers embedded in peripheral silicon

 

[ShintaiDK]

My guess is that there will be. You'll have x number of x86 cores in your SoC playing the CPU role and then y number of ARM micro controllers embedded in peripheral silicon

Thats why I said lucrative.

 

[Khato]

Thats why I said lucrative.

Ahhhh, but you said lucrative devices, not lucrative silicon Sorry, can't resist such technicalities sometimes. Regardless, it's going to be quite interesting to see how it all plays out over the coming years. Who knows what other customers Intel Custom Foundry has in the pipeline?

 

[jpiniero]

Pundits have been talking about the death of x86 for the last 30 years. And they will be still talking about it 30 years from now.

The thing is that Windows compatibility isn't needed anymore. That's what is keeping x86 alive. Intel can try to fight it, but they will have to deal with a market where their competition is basically dumping product (ie: the Chinese)

 

[Nothingness]

No one should be talking about what will or won't be around in computing a distant 30 years in the future..

Are you really trying to convince Intel fanboys? You know that won't work, their brain has been washed :biggrin:

 

[theeedude]

Right now x86 is going into ARM segments. ARM is not going anywhere in x86 segments.

ARM segments (tablets) are eating x86 segments (low end PCs) alive.

So maybe the question should be, will there be any ARM left in the lucrative devices in 5 years.

The Altera FPGA is a lucrative device, and they are going with ARM.
Companies don't want to be married to Intel or x86 if they can avoid it. With ARM, they control their own destiny.

 

[Homeles]

ARM segments (tablets) are eating x86 segments (low end PCs) alive.

That's changing with Bay Trail as we speak.

The Altera FPGA is a lucrative device, and they are going with ARM.
Companies don't want to be married to Intel or x86 if they can avoid it. With ARM, they control their own destiny.

The flexibility ARM offers doesn't mean much when you're being outperformed by a wide margin.

 

[Phynaz]

The thing is that Windows compatibility isn't needed anymore. That's what is keeping x86 alive. Intel can try to fight it, but they will have to deal with a market where their competition is basically dumping product (ie: the Chinese)

Go tell Corporate America they don't need Windows anymore.

 

[ShintaiDK]

The thing is that Windows compatibility isn't needed anymore. That's what is keeping x86 alive. Intel can try to fight it, but they will have to deal with a market where their competition is basically dumping product (ie: the Chinese)

Even Windows RT didnt stand a chance because it wasnt x86 compatible. Nobody wanted ARM there and only MS is left as the only company in the world selling it. Silvermont came out and boom, all OEMs was ready with x86 Windows tablets and they far outnumber their android equals.

 

[ShintaiDK]

ARM segments (tablets) are eating x86 segments (low end PCs) alive.

And all OEMs went x86 with BayTrail for tablets.

 

[jpiniero]

Go tell Corporate America they don't need Windows anymore.

That's fair, but I don't know what Corporate America will do once Windows 7 is not available anymore.

Even Windows RT didnt stand a chance because it wasnt x86 compatible. Nobody wanted ARM there and only MS is left as the only company in the world selling it. Silvermont came out and boom, all OEMs was ready with x86 Windows tablets and they far outnumber their android equals.

All the Windows OEMs you mean. They all tried Windows RT, and that failed because it was uncompetitive with Android. They're now trying Bay Trail, and we will see if any of them can actually pick up meaningful share. Especially at a time where tablet prices are soon to crater.

 

[Phynaz]

The same thing they did when XP wasn't available. Upgrade.

 

[blckgrffn]

The same thing they did when XP wasn't available. Upgrade.

Exactly.

I think it will be more interesting to watch what Microsoft does. Are they going to integrate a year or two of Office subscription into Windows 8.2/9 Pro?

As they move to more of a "device and service" company what they do will do as much to guide the continued use of x86 as pretty much anything else.

The vast majority of infrastructure that is being deployed in datacenters is x86 virtual machines... That is going to have a really long tail IMHO.

 

[theeedude]

And all OEMs went x86 with BayTrail for tablets.

Just the PC OEMs who are being eaten alive. The big selling tablets are all ARM.

 

[theeedude]

The flexibility ARM offers doesn't mean much when you're being outperformed by a wide margin.

The performance of x86 doesn't mean much when ARM performance is good enough.

 

[Arachnotronic]

The performance of x86 doesn't mean much when ARM performance is good enough.

BS. If ARM performance is "good enough" then why are the ARM vendors tripping over their own d*cks to pump up how they're moving to FinFETs ASAP and how they're pushing the performance envelope?

Top performance matters. Just ask Apple just how much performance didn't matter when it designed A7. lol

 

[Ajay]

Right now x86 is going into ARM segments. ARM is not going anywhere in x86 segments. So maybe the question should be, will there be any ARM left in the lucrative devices in 5 years.

Servers. ARM developers are lining up to get into ARM servers into "the cloud" (buzzword of the moment). I'd say it's going to be a tough race over the next 5 years. Intel's trump card - process tech. This is a new world where CPU agnostic OSes and languages are being used to develop new distributed applications - so x86's 'golden handcuffs' don't apply. The biggest problem here is that this new server category breaks the business models of most of Intel's current vendors. Oddly enough, Intel is getting a foot in the door due to AMD (SeaMicro's Freedom Fabric) . IMHO.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Servers. ARM developers are lining up to get into ARM servers into "the cloud" (buzzword of the moment). I'd say it's going to be a tough race over the next 5 years. Intel's trump card - process tech. This is a new world where CPU agnostic OSes and languages are being used to develop new distributed applications - so x86's 'golden handcuffs' don't apply. The biggest problem here is that this new server category breaks the business models of most of Intel's current vendors. Oddly enough, Intel is getting a foot in the door due to AMD (SeaMicro's Freedom Fabric) . IMHO.

ARM servers didnt move anywhere either. And x86 low power parts beat ARM in performance/watt there.

 

[theeedude]

BS. If ARM performance is "good enough" then why are the ARM vendors tripping over their own d*cks to pump up how they're moving to FinFETs ASAP and how they're pushing the performance envelope?

Top performance matters. Just ask Apple just how much performance didn't matter when it designed A7. lol

They aren't tripping over each other. Apple and others are still on 28nm, and no one is complaining about it.