intel to buy nvidia with jhh as ceo???

Saylick

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That would be such a beast company. They'd be unstoppable in every sector of the market.
All the more reason to be wary.

2c: As much as nVidia could use Intel's resources and vice-versa, I personally would not want to see a merger considering how one-sided things are already. Assuming AMD is no longer a part of the bigger picture, we need competition in both the CPU and GPU sectors.
 

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Sad to say it would be the end of AMD and the start of a big monopoly. I wouldn't support them since they are taking part in stagnating the enthusiast market.
 
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OBLAMA2009

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All the more reason to be wary.

2c: As much as nVidia could use Intel's resources and vice-versa, I personally would not want to see a merger considering how one-sided things are already. Assuming AMD is no longer a part of the bigger picture, we need competition in both the CPU and GPU sectors.

not to mention mobile. and so much for arm desktop chips
 

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And if you think that this is absolute crazy, remember - it was Intel that came to Nvidia to ask for GeForce GPU to be integrated with the Intel x86 CPU for products which you know today as Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, Haswell and all. Regardless of what Intel soldiers tell you, most of improvements of the said CPUs were in the GPUs.
Really?
 

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The is one of the dumber rumors of the year.:|
 

Yuriman

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I'd like to see nV GPUs manufactured on Intel's 14nm process.

Rumor makes little sense though.
 

boxleitnerb

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I would gladly welcome it - but only because then at least one GPU company could mitigate the ever increasing process woes at TMSC.

But it is questionable if Intel really were to make Nvidia GPUs in their fabs. Maybe the smallest ones to integrate them into their CPUs, but the 200+ mm2 chips...I don't know...
 

Lepton87

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Nv used to fabricate 500mm2 dice and sell them in 500$ cards, I can't see Intel doing that, for that die size they charge north of 1500$. To be fair since this generation nV is doing the same.
 

BD231

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Nv used to fabricate 500mm2 dice and sell them in 500$ cards, I can't see Intel doing that, for that die size they charge north of 1500$. To be fair since this generation nV is doing the same.

Yap, price's would go through the roof and AMD would fall behind instantly due to fab tech. But if Hu-Twink will turn down the entire chinese education system I'm pretty sure he'd tell intel to buzz off, kinna like he did to microsoft and pretty much every company he has come in contact with that isn't willing to grossly over pay for nvidia hardware.
 

NTMBK

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Yap, price's would go through the roof and AMD would fall behind instantly due to fab tech. But if Hu-Twink will turn down the entire chinese education system I'm pretty sure he'd tell intel to buzz off, kinna like he did to microsoft and pretty much every company he has come in contact with that isn't willing to grossly over pay for nvidia hardware.

Eh, the old rumour from around the AMD/ATi merger is that AMD were originally after nVidia, but they had to say no when JHH demanded the CEO post of the merged company.
 

NTMBK

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And if you think that this is absolute crazy, remember - it was Intel that came to Nvidia to ask for GeForce GPU to be integrated with the Intel x86 CPU for products which you know today as Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, Haswell and all. Regardless of what Intel soldiers tell you, most of improvements of the said CPUs were in the GPUs.
Really?

Oh wow, I hadn't spotted that bit... okay, discarding anything I see from this website.
 

Ferzerp

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Nv used to fabricate 500mm2 dice and sell them in 500$ cards, I can't see Intel doing that, for that die size they charge north of 1500$. To be fair since this generation nV is doing the same.


How many process shrinks ago though?

Price per area on different processes is a meaningless comparison. Die size as an indicator of chip value without feature size is an even more meaningless exercise. Price per transistor is useful. Price per area @ a given node size is as well.
 

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Intel is 100% committed to x86 and nvidia is 100% committed to ARM. In the mobile space, buying nvidia only makes sense if Intel wants to reduce competition, but Nvidia is still very small compared to other players like Qualcomm and Nvidia is probably competing more directly with Qualcomm than Intel anyways so a double knock on this rumor is that Intel would probably want Nvidia to stay around to keep clawing at Qualcomm.

On the desktop / server / hpc side, Intel has spent years and billions on hundreds of engineers developing their own graphics as well as a standalone hpc accelerator, it just does not make any sense.

3-4 years ago, as Larrabee showed signs of failure and Intel had zero mobile market share, this would have been credible. Now? Not at all.
 

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How many process shrinks ago though?

Price per area on different processes is a meaningless comparison. Die size as an indicator of chip value without feature size is an even more meaningless exercise. Price per transistor is useful. Price per area @ a given node size is as well.

Just one. On 40nm GF100/110 had 520mm2 die. Now their "high-end" card has a paltry 294mm2, less then mid-range Fermi. Their true high-end is a 7B transistor monstrosity tough. I want that chip in a consumer card, maybe it would be fast enough for me to ditch this unwieldy 3-card 4-GPU set-up. When I decided that I want a fast single GPU nV decided to not release one, instead releasing dual card GTX690 as their high-end and price tag is just terrible. Why is it so much pricier then their own GTX590 was at launch? Corporate greed. Unfortunately AMD decided a long time ago to not release very fast single cards and yet they have the fastest card on the market, still badly outsold by slower and more expensive nv card.
 

Ferzerp

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Just one. On 40nm GF100/110 had 520mm2 die. Now their "high-end" card has a paltry 294mm2, less then mid-range Fermi. Their true high-end is a 7B transistor monstrosity tough. I want that chip in a consumer card, maybe it would be fast enough for me to ditch this unwieldy 3-card 4-GPU set-up. When I decided that I want a fast single GPU nV decided to not release one, instead releasing dual card GTX690 as their high-end and price tag is just terrible. Why is it so much pricier then their own GTX590 was at launch? Corporate greed. Unfortunately AMD decided a long time ago to not release very fast single cards and yet they have the fastest card on the market, still badly outsold by slower and more expensive nv card.

40nm to 22nm is a difference of a factor of 3.3. What fit in 500mm^2 on 40nm fits in 151mm^2 on 22nm which is similar to IVB size, and intel charges far less than $500 for that.

40nm to 22 nm is not 1 shrink. It's closer to (but not quite) 2.
 

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Wasn't Theo the person who said AMD had reverse Hyperthreading technology coming out?

Even if he wasn't, he has far less reputable of a reputation than even Charlie D., so you just can't make heads or tails of anything from BSN*.

Unless you are looking at an article with directly attributable quotes, you can pretty much safely assume it is a complete fabrication and your assumption is going to be right 70-80% of the time IMO.
 

sm625

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Well, the title of the article does start with "Crazy Rumor". How can you attack someone's credibility when they put the word "crazy" right in the title?