Intel scrapping prescott at 4ghz
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maybe he means the transistion from 386/486s that had a seperate math coprocessor to CPUs with both on chip ?!
LOL, I was just telling my brother that Netburst was going to die around 4 Ghz... Intel better haul a$$ on the dual core, b/c amd is releasing the 4000+ chips very soon.
Yeah I said this a month ago.......
4ghz may never happen thread
Now, how smart was AMD with their 4000+ ? lol, but yes , they couldn?t have known , or could they ?.........
Word gets around in the industry, perhaps AMD knew and put the clock down from 2.6Ghx to 2.4Ghz on their 4000+, I believe 2.6Ghz on a decent yield is possible so it seems or rather has turned out to be a very smart move, but I doubt it was intended.
I don?t think we will see 3.9's, 3.8's are rare enough. Maybe when they try 65 nm tech they will try again. Perhaps Intel is playing the wounded animal, waiting to strike with something...
Ah the possibilities
4ghz may never happen thread
Now, how smart was AMD with their 4000+ ? lol, but yes , they couldn?t have known , or could they ?.........
Word gets around in the industry, perhaps AMD knew and put the clock down from 2.6Ghx to 2.4Ghz on their 4000+, I believe 2.6Ghz on a decent yield is possible so it seems or rather has turned out to be a very smart move, but I doubt it was intended.
I don?t think we will see 3.9's, 3.8's are rare enough. Maybe when they try 65 nm tech they will try again. Perhaps Intel is playing the wounded animal, waiting to strike with something...
Ah the possibilities
More mature chips on the 90nm A64 line could possibly still end up reaching 2.8-3GHz on air, as the first ones are doing 2.6GHz... If intel doesn't have an answer we could be seeing some changes soon.
Although there was a time when active cooling via a fan wasn't required for top end CPUs (I can remember my PII 300MHz CPU being top of the line and it only had a heatsink). Perhaps higher end cooling solutions might be used by intel to keep up similar as to why the Emergency Edition P4 was conjured up...
http://news.com.com/Alienware+...00-1042_3-5347518.html
Obviously 4GHz is possible, but with more than just a heatsink and fan to be safely sold to average consumers.
Although there was a time when active cooling via a fan wasn't required for top end CPUs (I can remember my PII 300MHz CPU being top of the line and it only had a heatsink). Perhaps higher end cooling solutions might be used by intel to keep up similar as to why the Emergency Edition P4 was conjured up...
http://news.com.com/Alienware+...00-1042_3-5347518.html
Obviously 4GHz is possible, but with more than just a heatsink and fan to be safely sold to average consumers.
hahaha...loosers...they originally designed the prescott to take netburst from 3 ghz to near 5 ghz. Little did they know their 90nm process would suck and not cut the heat that prescott was designed to produce.
they streached northwoods to 3.4 after being designed for no more than 3. then they released prescott and the only one they have released in sufficient quantities is the 3.4, no better than northwood at higher heat.
they streached northwoods to 3.4 after being designed for no more than 3. then they released prescott and the only one they have released in sufficient quantities is the 3.4, no better than northwood at higher heat.
I think what is most disturbing about this is the almost complete lack of letting us know what lies beyond the 2mb cache chips. Frankly we see the extreme chips now, and we have a great idea how the 2mb Prescotts will perform. In fact we have a pretty good idea what would happen if they moved to 4mb of cache, but frankly we have no idea what kind of cpu we'd drop in after that.
LGA 775 is "promised" to be compatible with a future chip beyond those Prescott 2mb's and I find it hard to believe that promise when they honestly don't know, or won't tell exactly what that chip entails.
Why is this valuable? Why do we care to know now? Because, for me, gaming still favors a quality single core. What has been valuable up till now is that the HT of the P4 gives us good multitasking as well as "decent" gaming. If the future of P4 is to branch out, and this is what this news sounds like, then they are going all out multitasking and they are seemingly giving up on the gaming area entirely.
They will focus on mass volume markets. They have outlined NO functional platforms for the various tasks.
So do we salute AMD for giving us a "what you can get now and what you can plug in later"? Yes we do. Because Intel is failing on yet another front they used to do well at, letting us be assured that those super expensive parts we are buying today, motherboards and the rest, are useful for a chip generation beyond what we have. AND they would usually indicate what those chips were likely to do for the various market segments.
Now we have a thorough black hole. It's like their ability to compete with AMD is collapsing in one huge "don't worry we'll figure a way out" press release. Heck they aren't even saying this openly, which is even worse.
I'll make a bold prediction. They have NO plan beyond adding cache to Prescott. They have no idea how to get a Dothan to scale past 2.5ghz, let alone how to add 64bit ability to it, and they are seriously considering copying everything AMD has done right down to the on chip memory controller, meaning they would throw out every single compatibility they currently have out the window.
When corporations get worried about drastic things, they get real quiet. And you know what, Intel is VERY, very quiet
From Xbit labs, and I agree.
LGA 775 is "promised" to be compatible with a future chip beyond those Prescott 2mb's and I find it hard to believe that promise when they honestly don't know, or won't tell exactly what that chip entails.
Why is this valuable? Why do we care to know now? Because, for me, gaming still favors a quality single core. What has been valuable up till now is that the HT of the P4 gives us good multitasking as well as "decent" gaming. If the future of P4 is to branch out, and this is what this news sounds like, then they are going all out multitasking and they are seemingly giving up on the gaming area entirely.
They will focus on mass volume markets. They have outlined NO functional platforms for the various tasks.
So do we salute AMD for giving us a "what you can get now and what you can plug in later"? Yes we do. Because Intel is failing on yet another front they used to do well at, letting us be assured that those super expensive parts we are buying today, motherboards and the rest, are useful for a chip generation beyond what we have. AND they would usually indicate what those chips were likely to do for the various market segments.
Now we have a thorough black hole. It's like their ability to compete with AMD is collapsing in one huge "don't worry we'll figure a way out" press release. Heck they aren't even saying this openly, which is even worse.
I'll make a bold prediction. They have NO plan beyond adding cache to Prescott. They have no idea how to get a Dothan to scale past 2.5ghz, let alone how to add 64bit ability to it, and they are seriously considering copying everything AMD has done right down to the on chip memory controller, meaning they would throw out every single compatibility they currently have out the window.
When corporations get worried about drastic things, they get real quiet. And you know what, Intel is VERY, very quiet
From Xbit labs, and I agree.
Yes because games haven't been programed to use more than one CPU. When ALL 3 next gen consoles are going ot have more than one CPU you can rest assured that games will soon take advantage of 2+ CPU systems.
What does AMD have beyond a 3GHz A64? I don't see it getting that much higher, so all in all you've been ranting about intel doing a poor job when in reality AMD has no other outs other than the same as intel, and that's with dual+ core CPUs.
And that's not to forget that hardware is vastly ahead of the the software these days, it wouldn't hurt for AMD and intel to slow down just as ATI and nVidia have done by extending the refresh cycle by several months.
Problem for Intel is I HIGHLY doubt that they can package a Dual-P4 into current socket 775. Yes, ANOTHER socket change...seems like once a year for Intel. AMD on the other hand has already produced a drop in replacement for 940, so I doubt 939 would be any more difficult to produce.
Until applications start being designed for SMP environments, Intel will be in a bit of trouble. With AMD at the start of .09 and already ahead in the performance game, what will Intel have to offer vs. a more mature A64 @ .09 ?
Until applications start being designed for SMP environments, Intel will be in a bit of trouble. With AMD at the start of .09 and already ahead in the performance game, what will Intel have to offer vs. a more mature A64 @ .09 ?
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