Intel says 32 nm on track for late 2009

[Idontcare]

Intel says 32 nm on track for late 2009

"The 32 nm technology is getting ready to go into the manufacturing phase, we are lining up fabs to support it and we expect great demand," said Mark Bohr, director of Intel's technology and manufacturing group. "We are on track for shipping products in the fourth quarter and have 22 nm technology in development for 2011," he said.

Intel will present 15 papers at ISSCC including four of eight at a session on microprocessors where it will describe its latest 45 nm Nehalem and Itanium chips. None of its rivals--Advanced Micro Devices, IBM or Sparc partners Fujitsu and Sun Microsystems?will present on their CPUs.

http://www.eetimes.com/news/se...l;?articleID=213200271

Not exactly confidence building for the non-Intel enterprise customers to see an absolute dearth of CPU papers at ISSCC. I'm really surprised AMD isn't presenting something on Bulldozer.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Intel says 32 nm on track for late 2009

"The 32 nm technology is getting ready to go into the manufacturing phase, we are lining up fabs to support it and we expect great demand," said Mark Bohr, director of Intel's technology and manufacturing group. "We are on track for shipping products in the fourth quarter and have 22 nm technology in development for 2011," he said.

Intel will present 15 papers at ISSCC including four of eight at a session on microprocessors where it will describe its latest 45 nm Nehalem and Itanium chips. None of its rivals--Advanced Micro Devices, IBM or Sparc partners Fujitsu and Sun Microsystems?will present on their CPUs.

http://www.eetimes.com/news/se...l;?articleID=213200271

Not exactly confidence building for the non-Intel enterprise customers to see an absolute dearth of CPU papers at ISSCC. I'm really surprised AMD isn't presenting something on Bulldozer.

Wasn't Bulldozer delayed until 2011 or 2012? Not much point in this market presenting on something that can likely get cut from production, let alone showing your hand to your competitors.

 

[Sohcan]

Not exactly confidence building for the non-Intel enterprise customers to see an absolute dearth of CPU papers at ISSCC.

Hey, I resent that! 🙂 I co-authored paper 3.4 in the Microprocessor Technology session (Dynamic Frequency-Switching Clock System on a Quad-Core Itanium Processor). But yeah, the conference did turn out to be much more university-heavy than usual.

 

[geoffry]

Given that mainstream nehalem CPUs wont be seen till late 2009, you think it can be assumed that if INTC does indeed release 32nm CPUs in late 2009 it would probably be server only, perhaps high end desktop?

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Sohcan

Not exactly confidence building for the non-Intel enterprise customers to see an absolute dearth of CPU papers at ISSCC.

Hey, I resent that! 🙂 I co-authored paper 3.4 in the Microprocessor Technology session (Dynamic Frequency-Switching Clock System on a Quad-Core Itanium Processor). But yeah, the conference did turn out to be much more university-heavy than usual.

Hey I read that abstract, I had no idea those 65nm Itaniums are 700mm^2 behemoths. I remember the crisis-level sense of urgency we had at TI when SUN said they wanted us to produce NiagaraII at a little more than 350mm^2 in 65nm.

At any rate, yeah your stuff is good confidence building for Intel customers, the non-Intel customers (IBM, SUN, AMD) got no love from their suppliers. Makes it all the more challenging to go back to management and argue that continuing to buy into SUN, IBM, AMD platforms for enterprise applications is a roadmap of assured future support.

Intel is clearly here to stay (in the enterprise markets)...everyone else, well maybe not so much if they can't even pull together support from their management to go to a conference and present a paper on their next gen architectures. There is such a thing as playing your hand close to your chest, unfortunately it can also be interpreted as not having much of a hand to show in the first place.

 

[Chriz]

Yeah this is kind of confusing. So 45nm Core i5's will arrive in late 2009, and then 32nm Core i7's right after?

 

[KingstonU]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Wasn't Bulldozer delayed until 2011 or 2012? Not much point in this market presenting on something that can likely get cut from production, let alone showing your hand to your competitors.

I tend to wonder if AMD showed their hand too many times and then having to delay on their promises, only to have Intel steal their ideas like Larabee which was AMD's Fusion.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: KingstonU

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Wasn't Bulldozer delayed until 2011 or 2012? Not much point in this market presenting on something that can likely get cut from production, let alone showing your hand to your competitors.

I tend to wonder if AMD showed their hand too many times and then having to delay on their promises, only to have Intel steal their ideas like Larabee which was AMD's Fusion.

Larabee != Fusion. Fusion was CPU + GPU on the same die. Larabee is multicore general purpose parallel x86 processors with a framebuffer attached.

 

[exar333]

Originally posted by: Chriz
Yeah this is kind of confusing. So 45nm Core i5's will arrive in late 2009, and then 32nm Core i7's right after?

Here is hoping this comes true; I would love a 32nm i7 to throw in my rig...maybe I can get a 12GB triple-channel kit (3 DIMMs) at the same time. 🙂

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: KingstonU

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Wasn't Bulldozer delayed until 2011 or 2012? Not much point in this market presenting on something that can likely get cut from production, let alone showing your hand to your competitors.

I tend to wonder if AMD showed their hand too many times and then having to delay on their promises, only to have Intel steal their ideas like Larabee which was AMD's Fusion.

There is absolutely nothing disclosed in these conferences that the other side doesn't already know well in advance.

Way too many employees change employers far too frequently for anything remotely top-secret to be kept top-secret. This includes management as well as engineers.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Originally posted by: Chriz
Yeah this is kind of confusing. So 45nm Core i5's will arrive in late 2009, and then 32nm Core i7's right after?

It looks like Intel cancelled the 45nm versions of the mainstream Nehalem and is gonna forward the introduction of 32nm, code-named Auburndale. We'll see higher clocks of high-end 45nm Nehalem later this year. The 32nm versions of high-end Nehalem code-named Gulftown will be in Q2 of 2010.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: IntelUser2000

Originally posted by: Chriz
Yeah this is kind of confusing. So 45nm Core i5's will arrive in late 2009, and then 32nm Core i7's right after?

It looks like Intel cancelled the 45nm versions of the mainstream Nehalem and is gonna forward the introduction of 32nm, code-named Auburndale. We'll see higher clocks of high-end 45nm Nehalem later this year. The 32nm versions of high-end Nehalem code-named Gulftown will be in Q2 of 2010.

Gulftown would be 32nm Xeon. High-end desktop 32nm is westmere.

I sure hope they don't intend to make their enthusiast crowd stick around buying $1k 45nm CPU's when mainstream 32nm CPU's are available. That would be quite the PR gaffe.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Oh that's right my bad. I should have known from the name.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Actually Idontcare, PCWatch is pointing out that Gulftown will be the high-end desktop. It just looks like at the moment we'll see mainstream 32nm Clarkdale on desktops before the high-end versions, and similar on mobile.

Desktop
Lynnfield 32nm: Q3 2009
Clarkdale 32nm: Q1 2010
Gulftown 32nm: Q2 2010

Mobile:
Clarkfield 45nm: Q3 2009
Arrandale 32nm: Q1 2010

Yes, that would imply Gulftown would be used for both desktops and 2P servers/workstations and both would have 2x QPI link. But long time ago, the Pentium II and IIIs also had dual processor capability.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: IntelUser2000
Actually Idontcare, PCWatch is pointing out that Gulftown will be the high-end desktop. It just looks like at the moment we'll see mainstream 32nm Clarkdale on desktops before the high-end versions, and similar on mobile.

Desktop
Lynnfield 32nm: Q3 2009
Clarkdale 32nm: Q1 2010
Gulftown 32nm: Q2 2010

Mobile:
Clarkfield 45nm: Q3 2009
Arrandale 32nm: Q1 2010

Yes, that would imply Gulftown would be used for both desktops and 2P servers/workstations and both would have 2x QPI link. But long time ago, the Pentium II and IIIs also had dual processor capability.

Lynnfield (and Havendale) are 45nm mainstream Nehalem-based chips. Did you put 32nm there as a typo or is the PCWatch source you are referencing have an error?

Given that there are already 32nm samples out in the public domain for system builders I doubt very much (in every sense of the phrase) that LGA1366 won't have westmere this fall long before the mainstream platform is released.

It makes no business sense whatsoever for Intel, or any CPU manufacturer, to throw their early production (low volume remember) on new process technology at a low-margin high-volume market like the mainstream market. If Intel did this it would be unprecedented and unwarranted.

I say the likelihood is precisely zero, not close to zero but truly the integer value zero.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Yea that "Lynnfield" one should be 45nm. I wanted to put it but putting so many 32nm I probably forgot it lol.

I see what you mean nothing is set in stone. Wrong thing to think is something can be 0%(or 100%.

 

[JMapleton]

Westmere in 3Q 2009!?! I hope because that will be my purchase.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: JMapleton
Westmere in 3Q 2009!?! I hope because that will be my purchase.

Q4 2009.

Specifically, the most likely release date will be Nov 15, 2009.

65nm Kenstfield XE - Nov 2, 2006
45nm Yorfield XE - Nov 11, 2007
45nm Nehalem i7 - Nov 17, 2008

 

[Denithor]

Black Friday Westmere FTW!!!

 

[Cookie Monster]

Westmere.. me want now.. AT really needs a drool icon.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Westmere sounds cool 8 cores 16 threads. But can ya here the ranting. Look whats going on with duals Vs. Quads now.

The only differance I see between now and 9 months from now is . Larrabee. So you guys must be thinking larrabbe will use all those cores and threads Westmere brings.

Or is it the 4 core version ya want. I could careless about Westmere. I want to see larrabee and play project offset . Using raytracing. Maybe its LarrabeeX86 will see first @ 32nm 1st. That would make the most sense. Beings intel needs Die size and heat reduction. And power to deal with what AMD is preparing . I believe Larrabee will be the first chip released at 32nm. That solves alot of intels problems and it still keeps them ontime.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Westmere sounds cool 8 cores 16 threads. But can ya here the ranting. Look whats going on with duals Vs. Quads now.

The only differance I see between now and 9 months from now is . Larrabee. So you guys must be thinking larrabbe will use all those cores and threads Westmere brings.

Or is it the 4 core version ya want. I could careless about Westmere. I want to see larrabee and play project offset . Using raytracing. Maybe its LarrabeeX86 will see first @ 32nm 1st. That would make the most sense. Beings intel needs Die size and heat reduction. And power to deal with what AMD is preparing . I believe Larrabee will be the first chip released at 32nm. That solves alot of intels problems and it still keeps them ontime.

1. Westmere is 6 core/12 threads. Have you been reading?
2. Larrabbee is likely 45nm. Because entirely new architecture + new process technology creates too much unpredictability. That's the reason Intel went with the Tick-Tock strategy.
3. You never make sense.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Ya I just checked that out. Your correct. Strange thing is I can't even find were it was ever said to be 8 core yet I know not long ago intel was saying 8 cores. Oh Well . Still 6 cores 12 threads.

Intel has me so confused right now .

32nm out in 09 . Larrabee out in late o9 /10 Sandybridge out in 2010. We have 6 core products cominging dual core products coming and 8core products coming .

But I think most of us are waiting on larrabee. IF its good and Project offset did its job . Larrabee changes everthing . Most relize this many are in denial about it . Some are maybe over hyped like myself. But its going to be an intersting year.

What the hell happened to 8 core nehalem . I new Intel was doing a 6 core cpu for Tigerton . But I swear it was 8 cores for Nehalem C. I can't even find an 8 core article LOL.

 

[jones377]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
What the hell happened to 8 core nehalem . I new Intel was doing a 6 core cpu for Tigerton . But I swear it was 8 cores for Nehalem C. I can't even find an 8 core article LOL.

It's called Beckton and it's 45nm 8C/16T that will replace Dunnington in the Xeon MP segment late this year. That is 4+ socket servers. Nothing for us mere mortals as each will cost over $2000 most likely.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: IntelUser2000
2. Larrabbee is likely 45nm. Because entirely new architecture + new process technology creates too much unpredictability. That's the reason Intel went with the Tick-Tock strategy.

Nemesis remember Intel stated they intentionally want low-risk designs for first tape-outs on new process tech, this limits the risks to missing the timeline to (mostly) yield problems that might exist with the new process node.

As IntelUser2000 is pointing out, that a priori precludes Intel from releasing Larrabee on 32nm as their first 32nm chip. It doesn't preclude them from taping out Larrabee on 32nm and running first-silicon on it, that happens in parallel, but it is highly unlikely the first 32nm chip they bring to the market for sales would be Larrabee.

Having said that, we are programmed by Intel's marketing to think this is their logic, so it may actually be a staged strategy to throw Nvidia and AMD off their guard. I could not imagine a larger coup for Intel than to roll out their first GPU on an industry leading 32nm process node while NV and ATi struggle to get their 40nm chips out on TSMC's craptastic foundry tech.