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Intel Proclaims Hyper-Threading Volume Breakthrough

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We just got 5 3.0 Prescott machines. I'm not impressed at all. They're not even noticeably faster than the non-HT 2.8 machines we have.
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Try running 2 instances of anything intensive on the HT and the non HT P4's, and see if you notice anything. It makes a huge difference. If you aren't actually using the HT, you are unlikley to notice it.
 
So Intel has 50 millions users that have HT capable chips..... bring out the banners!!!!!

AMD has 5 million (no idea what the real figure is) users that have 64-bit processing power!!!! WAAAAHOOOOO!!!!

How many people use HT out of those 50 million? How many people know what it is? How many people even care what it is? Not many. Thugsrook, one of the most respected Intelomaniacs on Anandtechs boards has HT and doesnt use it.... wouldnt he be included in the 50 million?

AMD users can use 64-bit with the Win64 version out. Like Intel with HT, how many people use it and how many people care?

It just shows that Intel sells more chips than AMD, who didnt know that already?
 
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Intel Proclaims Sales Breakthrough: Dell sells lots of Intel chips containing a feature that Dell's uninformed consumer base has no idea how to use.

Subtext: 50 million people buying Windows XP based computers with 128mb of RAM could very well be wrong.


I'm now 99% positive that Felix works at Intel.
 
Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
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Intel Proclaims Sales Breakthrough: Dell sells lots of Intel chips containing a feature that Dell's uninformed consumer base has no idea how to use.

Subtext: 50 million people buying Windows XP based computers with 128mb of RAM could very well be wrong.


I'm now 99% positive that Felix works at Intel.
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Yes I love how Dell says how fast their new 2.8 Ghz P4s are with 128MB of ram!!
Most OEM installations of Windows XP (with all their junk and MSN included) take more ram than this upon bootup.

Hyperthreading was made because Intel saw an inefficiency in the Netburst technology that caused a big portion of the core to sit around waiting for more data much of the time. I don't see why they brag about that...
 
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: arsbanned
Weeellll, when I Google "Prescott runs hot?" I get hundreds of hits that don't necessarily reflect positively on it.
Note that I am not passing judgement or trolling, I'm researching a new system. Good info appreciated.
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I dindnt think your were trolling or judging - just wondering....so I was trying to get more info. Personally I prefer Northwoods or Gallatins over Prescotts. Do you know what chip you were interested in? You can find some nice combos out there. Frys runs retail 3.2c (Northwood) and mobo combinations for under $200 regularly. If your lucky youll get a 30 cap 3.2, which is my backup chip. It runs stable under all conditions at 3.8.

The mobo frys supplies however, while free, is an ECS 848p which doesnt take advantage of hyperthreading. You might a get a few dollars off ebay for it and use that to fund more purchases.
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I'm sorry, when did this turn into Brag & Moan? :roll:

Originally posted by: cbehnken
Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
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Intel Proclaims Sales Breakthrough: Dell sells lots of Intel chips containing a feature that Dell's uninformed consumer base has no idea how to use.

Subtext: 50 million people buying Windows XP based computers with 128mb of RAM could very well be wrong.


I'm now 99% positive that Felix works at Intel.
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Yes I love how Dell says how fast their new 2.8 Ghz P4s are with 128MB of ram!!
Most OEM installations of Windows XP (with all their junk and MSN included) take more ram than this upon bootup.

Hyperthreading was made because Intel saw an inefficiency in the Netburst technology that caused a big portion of the core to sit around waiting for more data much of the time. I don't see why they brag about that...
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It has much more practical applications than just that. It's true multithreading, and it prevents most hiccups that running multiple CPU-intensive apps does on other systems.
 
The Windows scheduler is responsible for nearly all of your multi-tasking. If your system is running properly then you will not notice that much difference with HT.

It is not true multithreading because there are not 2 processors.

My brother atm has a Dual Athlon MP 2200+ system with 2 gigs of ram. He recently added the second processor and reports that there was no noticable difference in the way windows responds. My A64 "feels" faster than his real dual cpu machine.

I compile with MS Visual Studio and Borland C++ Builder. I can do both at the same time if I like and the system still responds. I don't see what's so exciting about HT...

99% of "hiccups" with applications are both of them demanding lots of disk access from the same drive.
 
You know it's a proven fact that Servers have less performance with HT on, that's why most if not all servers DON't use HT anymore.
 
Originally posted by: SimsFreak
You know it's a proven fact that Servers have less performance with HT on, that's why most if not all servers DON't use HT anymore.
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That's probably true with Win2000 server that doesnt support HT,but if you're using Windows 2003 hyperthreading should be a benefit.
 
Linux Red Hat 9, Debia 3, FreeBSD 5.1, Windows 2003 server Standard/Web/Pro versions, Windows 2000, should I go on? They all have issues with HT.
 
Not to mention the issues, but even without them most server benchmarks (Mysql, Apace, etc) show a loss of performance with HT enabled because of unnecessary thread spawning.
 
True multitasking(servers) apparantly favors the Athlon64. Dual Opterons are not in the same class and ARE proven to beat even the dual Xeon on true server tasks (sql, database, etc...)
 
Originally posted by: cbehnken
The Windows scheduler is responsible for nearly all of your multi-tasking. If your system is running properly then you will not notice that much difference with HT.

It is not true multithreading because there are not 2 processors.

My brother atm has a Dual Athlon MP 2200+ system with 2 gigs of ram. He recently added the second processor and reports that there was no noticable difference in the way windows responds. My A64 "feels" faster than his real dual cpu machine.

I compile with MS Visual Studio and Borland C++ Builder. I can do both at the same time if I like and the system still responds. I don't see what's so exciting about HT...

99% of "hiccups" with applications are both of them demanding lots of disk access from the same drive.
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exactly true. hyperthreading is at most a 5% performance gain WHILE RUNNING CONTINUOUS MULTITHREADED APPS. i don't see why people care at all. A p4 2.8 with hyperthreading is still worse than a 3.0 with hypertheading disabled. (2.8->3.0 is a 7% performance increase. which is about twice as much as the typical 3-5% quoted.) for most of the apps that people on this site care about an athlon 64 2800 still outperforms a p4 3.0, with or without hyperthreading. can we quit having this dumb debate.
 
"Hyperthreading was made because Intel saw an inefficiency in the Netburst technology that caused a big portion of the core to sit around waiting for more data much of the time. I don't see why they brag about that..."
so true
 
Originally posted by: Adn4n
Originally posted by: crazySOB297
50 million people elected hitler into office
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They were actually bullied by the SA into doing it. Just some FYI.
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Although Hitler did say that they were a superior race and by and large the Germans believed it. Ask anyone about hyperthreading and they say it makes 'stuff' run faster.
 
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