Intel Pentium J2900 - 2.67 GHz Quad Core

[cbn]

Braswell platform will also likely command a much lower surrounding component bill of materials, so keep this in mind.

That is true.

For example, I'm sure eMMC 5.0 would be possible on Braswell, but not Broadwell desktop.

But maybe that should change for the future? Maybe Intel should include eMMC 5.0 (or UFS 2.0,etc) as an option for value mainstream (ie, LGA 115x) desktop as well?

Then let the cheapest Value LGA 115x boards come with a reasonable amount of fast eMMC 5.0 or UFS 2.0 as standard. In this way a person could eMMC/UFS 2.0 right off the bat and then later add SATA and/or M.2 as budget allows.

 

[VirtualLarry]

If they could make eMMC or UFS as fast as a SATA SSD (or faster?), and cheap enough, I would probably welcome it. But I would still like some sort of bulk storage too.

Would OEMs try to sell 14nm Atoms with eMMC and HDDs as UltraBooks? Or would they hit the budget category?

 

[cbn]

If they could make eMMC or UFS as fast as a SATA SSD (or faster?), and cheap enough, I would probably welcome it. But I would still like some sort of bulk storage too.

eMMC 5.0 wouldn't be as fast as SATA 6 Gbps SSD and definitely not as fast as M.2 ultra (PCIe 3.0 x4), but I believe it will be a big step up from the eMMC 4.51 we see today (particularly in 4K random write).

 

[tweakboy]

That is a monster CPU. hehe gl

 

[Eddioe]

All pentium J-class cpus are going to choke on any serious single threaded workload. Web pages will lag when loading, and especially annoyingly, when scrolling. Try doing an ebay search next time you are in front of one of these machines at best buy. The lag is atrocious. I could not recommend this to anyone considering it is brand new hardware and performance will only degrade over time, and especially when you can buy a $100 off lease core 2 duo E8xxx series machine and get a hell of a lot better overall general usage experience. Single thread performance is basically pentium 4 level.

I'm a lowly consumer who owns the exact system in question.
This one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HVXW2ZK

Not only is there ZERO lag when having multiple windows open at the same time (ebay, Facebook youtube, Amazon and 30 others), it's smooth as butter. I also run my Sony Acid Pro 7 Music Recording software on it (with all those windows open and switch between recoding and browsing), and within that software run various other resource hungry programs (Midi triggers and VST's, like guitar and piano and drum virtual instrument modeling programs i.e. EZDrummer, Waves, AmpliTube etc and countless affects) simultaneously without a hitch.

I understand you guys like to debate "mine is bigger than yours", but you let the debate go south and start with the hyperbole, which helps no one. If this computer with it's low-end specs and price is good enough for me it's more than good enough for the average person who doesn't even run demanding recording software and the like. I would highly recommend the J2900 to anyone looking for a home computer. It's also nice looking, small and virtually noiseless.

 

[Eddioe]

It does seem like things are going backwards in performance, for what you pay for an entry-level rig these days at stores. No wonder people are getting turned off about desktop PCs.

People aren't getting turned off by PC's, the boom is over because everyone has one. According to multiple sources, 90% of American households already have at least one, i.e. they don't need to buy new ones when their 5+ year old one is fine for their needs. Believe it or not, most people don't feel the need to update thier PC every other year anymore than they feel the need to update their TV every other year.

 

[sm625]

Well, an order of magnitude would be ten times as fast, I don't think the evidence supports that. Double the ST performance, sure.

Cant speak for haswell celeron, but haswell pentium easily scores 108mS on sunspider @ 4.5GHz. That's 5-6 times as fast as a J2900. Maybe even 7. "Order of magnitude" is an apt description. Kabini/atom was made for one type of consumer: the sucker. I just got a Fingerhut catalog in the mail. Every single pc inside was an AMD cat core or an atom. Woe is to anyone who buys them.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Cant speak for haswell celeron, but haswell pentium easily scores 108mS on sunspider @ 4.5GHz. That's 5-6 times as fast as a J2900. Maybe even 7. "Order of magnitude" is an apt description. Kabini/atom was made for one type of consumer: the sucker. I just got a Fingerhut catalog in the mail. Every single pc inside was an AMD cat core or an atom. Woe is to anyone who buys them.

So where can I buy this pre-built system with a 4.5Ghz Haswell Pentium? (With full mfg'rs warranty?)

 

[SlimFan]

Cant speak for haswell celeron, but haswell pentium easily scores 108mS on sunspider @ 4.5GHz. That's 5-6 times as fast as a J2900. Maybe even 7. "Order of magnitude" is an apt description. Kabini/atom was made for one type of consumer: the sucker. I just got a Fingerhut catalog in the mail. Every single pc inside was an AMD cat core or an atom. Woe is to anyone who buys them.

Looking at Bench on Anandtech, I see:

4790k (4.4GHz Turbo) sunspider is 103.
Avoton (2.4GHz Turbo) sunspider is 410.

J2900 turbos to 2.67Ghz (i.e. higher than the 2.4GHz listed).

410/103 is roughly 4. I don't quite see how that's "maybe even 7." I don't know how careful Anandtech is about keeping the same version of browser on the web benchmarks. Other websites show a Sunspider score (I'm assuming based off of IE11) of 330 for the Z3770, which should be slower than a J2900.

/shrug ... I certainly believe there are workloads where a 4.5GHz Haswell is significantly faster than the latest and greatest Atom.

 

[crashtech]

Sorry if I am a bit pedantic about the application of the phrase "order of magnitude," but it seems prone to be misunderstood, perhaps not by those participating but certainly by some that are reading these threads. Using standard rounding rules, you'd have to have at least eight times the starting value before you could credibly say even something like "nearly an order of magnitude."

 

[VirtualLarry]

I tried this SunSpider thing. I got 1299 on my Celeron 1007U, on Waterfox 31.0. Granted, I have a lot of other tabs open.

Edit: after closing two Newegg tabs that wouldn't finish loading.
Total: 1192.2ms +/- 23.4%

Edit: In IE10, on the 1007U.
Total: 242.7ms +/- 1.0%

Edit: My G630 2.7Ghz SB dual-core rig, with NV GT430 GPU. Waterfox 28.0.
Total: 229.9ms +/- 4.7%

Edit: My G630, IE8.
Total: 4356.3ms +/- 0.6%

IE8's JS support sucks, apparently.

 

[Abwx]

Sorry if I am a bit pedantic about the application of the phrase "order of magnitude," but it seems prone to be misunderstood, perhaps not by those participating but certainly by some that are reading these threads. Using standard rounding rules, you'd have to have at least eight times the starting value before you could credibly say even something like "nearly an order of magnitude."

Half an order of magnitude is already a 3.16 ratio, a single tenth is 25.8%...

 

[evident]

can anyone confirm if this CPU is worth anything in a HTPC system that uses windows media center? thinking about grabbing one of these for my parents to save them money on renting a DVR every month.

 

[evident]

I'm a lowly consumer who owns the exact system in question.
This one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HVXW2ZK

Not only is there ZERO lag when having multiple windows open at the same time (ebay, Facebook youtube, Amazon and 30 others), it's smooth as butter. I also run my Sony Acid Pro 7 Music Recording software on it (with all those windows open and switch between recoding and browsing), and within that software run various other resource hungry programs (Midi triggers and VST's, like guitar and piano and drum virtual instrument modeling programs i.e. EZDrummer, Waves, AmpliTube etc and countless affects) simultaneously without a hitch.

I understand you guys like to debate "mine is bigger than yours", but you let the debate go south and start with the hyperbole, which helps no one. If this computer with it's low-end specs and price is good enough for me it's more than good enough for the average person who doesn't even run demanding recording software and the like. I would highly recommend the J2900 to anyone looking for a home computer. It's also nice looking, small and virtually noiseless.

the fact that i picked up an i5 haswell dell box for not much more is what is infuriating.

 

[frozentundra123456]

can anyone confirm if this CPU is worth anything in a HTPC system that uses windows media center? thinking about grabbing one of these for my parents to save them money on renting a DVR every month.

I have a core 2 duo, 2.2ghz which is probably comparable to the atom Pentium, or perhaps somewhat faster. I use it with a TV tuner and windows media center in an older comp running 32 bit vista. It is usable, but certainly not snappy. Honestly, I hate seeing these atoms and cat cores being stuffed into desktops, especially since they are priced closely to much faster big core cpus and the confusing nomenclature makes it very hard to determine what you are getting, especially for the mainstream consumer. As to your question, unless the absolutely lowest power is mandatory, I would go for a more powerful CPU.

 

[evident]

I have a core 2 duo, 2.2ghz which is probably comparable to the atom Pentium, or perhaps somewhat faster. I use it with a TV tuner and windows media center in an older comp running 32 bit vista. It is usable, but certainly not snappy. Honestly, I hate seeing these atoms and cat cores being stuffed into desktops, especially since they are priced closely to much faster big core cpus and the confusing nomenclature makes it very hard to determine what you are getting, especially for the mainstream consumer. As to your question, unless the absolutely lowest power is mandatory, I would go for a more powerful CPU.

i bought an E8200 CPU Core 2 Duo CPU to stuff into my parents' old PC that i'm upgrading w/ a haswell for day to day use. i'm going to repurpose the C2D machine to be strictly for WMC HTPC viewing. it's got an 8600GT which should be plenty good for 720p.

not going to bother getting a j2900 unless if i can get a whole rig for less than $100, which i can see happening around black friday as a doorbuster or as a refurb.

 

[user10011]

That's overpriced by at LEAST $100, these companies giving you less for the same or even more money the consumer is spending is probably not going to help stem the drop in desktop sales.

A little late here, but

I stumbled upon this processor while checking a local electronics store website; "Pentium J2900 Quad 2.67GHz, 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD and Win8.1" the listing said, and for 160 euros (€) I thought, that's seriously some good value if it performs like the C2Quads at the time. I did some digging, and not only does the cpu only support a maximum of 4x Pcie lanes for any kind of expansion, the computer in this particular listing had an external power supply, so I guess no hope for a standard 24pin atx/sfx psu either...

Possibly for the cost of every additional part you could just build a system with a G3258 in it.

It's a shame really

 

[DrMrLordX]

Nah you'd do well to build a G3258 system for that little. PSU + case is going to eat up a fair amount of money right off the bat. If you already have those, plus monitor/keyboard/mouse, then you're getting closer to the point where DIY is a clear budget winner.

Those AiOs aren't so great regardless. Some of them have major quality issues.

 

[waltchan]

Pentium J2900's single-thread score is only 600, keep that in mind, despite how fancy and highest-end model it is. Core 2 Duo E8000 series are rated three times faster.

 

[connorxconnorx]

http://ark.intel.com/products/78868/Intel-Pentium-Processor-J2900-2M-Cache-up-to-2_67-GHz

See some cheap PC's at Best Buy using this Processor. Never heard of it before. Assuming its OEM.

Wonder how it performs? Is it haswell? TDP is only 10w !

so i bought a pc with this processor it had the intel hd graphics i played mw3 on the intel hd graphics without problems on mx res. then i bought a gtx 650 ti low profile and i can play gta 5 bf4 bf 3 on ultra fkni settings with out problems the cpu is amazing i love it

 

[connorxconnorx]

It does with 4 cores what an old E8400 can do with 2, so not exactly progress. Makes desktop PCs look bad, as if they need that right now. A desktop should be the most powerful computing device in anyone's inventory, not just a juiced-up tablet.

whaaaaaaaat juiced tablet bro i have that processor and a gtx 750 sc 1 gb gddr5 and i can say that the processor performs realy realy good can play bf 3 / 4 on ultra without any problems gta 5 same but not on ultra there is his power at the end so... it's allmost allways at 90% but i m still geting 50-60 fps most of the time i can say that the processor is prety good .

 

[dark zero]

I'm a lowly consumer who owns the exact system in question.
This one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HVXW2ZK

Not only is there ZERO lag when having multiple windows open at the same time (ebay, Facebook youtube, Amazon and 30 others), it's smooth as butter. I also run my Sony Acid Pro 7 Music Recording software on it (with all those windows open and switch between recoding and browsing), and within that software run various other resource hungry programs (Midi triggers and VST's, like guitar and piano and drum virtual instrument modeling programs i.e. EZDrummer, Waves, AmpliTube etc and countless affects) simultaneously without a hitch.

I understand you guys like to debate "mine is bigger than yours", but you let the debate go south and start with the hyperbole, which helps no one. If this computer with it's low-end specs and price is good enough for me it's more than good enough for the average person who doesn't even run demanding recording software and the like. I would highly recommend the J2900 to anyone looking for a home computer. It's also nice looking, small and virtually noiseless.

Err... You better check the AMD Athlon 5350 or the Pentium G3220. Both perform far better and has more upgrade options like adding more RAM or SSDs and in the case of the Athlon with a propper MoBo you can OC it.

 

[waltchan]

The time to buy a Pentium J2900 is NOW. I don't like the Braswell at all with only 372 rated single-thread score, and the upcoming J-series Braswell should do no better.

 

[dark zero]

The time to buy a Pentium J2900 is NOW. I don't like the Braswell at all with only 372 rated single-thread score, and the upcoming J-series Braswell should do no better.

It made the Celeron J1900 looks competent!