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Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

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Wildcat Lake (WCL) Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing Raptor Lake-U. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q1 2026.

Intel Raptor Lake UIntel Wildcat Lake 15WIntel Lunar LakeIntel Panther Lake 4+0+4
Launch DateQ1-2024Q2-2026Q3-2024Q1-2026
ModelIntel 150UIntel Core 7 360Core Ultra 7 268VCore Ultra 7 365
Dies2223
NodeIntel 7 + ?Intel 18-A + TSMC N6TSMC N3B + N6Intel 18-A + Intel 3 + TSMC N6
CPU2 P-core + 8 E-cores2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores
Threads12688
Max Clock5.4 GHz4.8 GHz5 GHz4.8 GHz
L3 Cache12 MB6 MB12 MB12 MB
TDP15 - 55 W15 - 35 W17 - 37 W25 - 55 W
Memory128-bit LPDDR5-520064-bit LPDDR5x-7467128-bit LPDDR5x-8533128-bit LPDDR5x-7467
Size96 GB48 GB32 GB128 GB
Bandwidth83 GB/s60 GB/s136 GB/s120 GB/s
GPUIntel GraphicsIntel GraphicsArc 140VIntel Graphics
RTNoNoYESYES
EU / Xe96 EU2 Xe8 Xe4 Xe
Max Clock1.3 GHz2.6 GHz2 GHz2.5 GHz
NPUGNA 3.017 TOPS48 TOPS49 TOPS






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As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



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oak8292 said:
Volume matters more than margin, (run full). However as long as we are speculating I will throw out there that Intel may have sold some of their TSMC N3 wafer capacity to Nvidia. Intel gets guaranteed money and Nvidia gets capacity for much higher margin chips with strong immediate demand. Intel is short some processors for a while but the margin isn’t great because they are paying TSMC for die. This might have been part of the $5 billion investment that Nvidia made in Intel.
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Every N3B wafer sold instead of Intel 7 in client is more Intel 7 going to DC.
 
Hulk said:
I agree. Crazy conspiracy ... Perhaps Nova Lake is closer than expected and Intel wants people to wait for a 250/270K, if they wait long enough and then Intel provides a Nova Lake date that isn't that far off people will hold off for that. So the rationale would be to prevent AMD sales.

But, as I've been told many times here, DIY CPU sales is basically a niche market, so it's the pre-builts that are more a factor driving Intel sales planning. Maybe all of the ARL Refresh parts are going there where margins are higher as you can "hide" the price of various components?
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I am hopeful that NVL is close AND that it is a surprisingly good processor; however, the down pricing we are seeing at Intel seems more like putting a finger in the dam type of maneuver .... ironically similar to what AMD did decades ago.
511 said:
Well it may be surprising but OEMs want Raptor Lake they want something Cheap and good enough
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Yes, and these chips make very little (or no) profit.
oak8292 said:
Volume matters more than margin, (run full). However as long as we are speculating I will throw out there that Intel may have sold some of their TSMC N3 wafer capacity to Nvidia. Intel gets guaranteed money and Nvidia gets capacity for much higher margin chips with strong immediate demand. Intel is short some processors for a while but the margin isn’t great because they are paying TSMC for die. This might have been part of the $5 billion investment that Nvidia made in Intel.
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Profit drives all companies. AMD is selling a disproportionate amount of their chips to VERY high margin markets. Intel seems to be holding their own in the higher volume market; however, I think they aren't making much profit doing it.
 
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From 1080p ultra, ryzen9000 nonx3d does not surpass 14900k. If users play at 4k dlss quality and do not have 5090 for some reason, x3d does not have a big advantage in games either.
If two early released games are excluded from the data, intel looks better, with 14600k performance comparable to 9700x.
 
ultradelta said:
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From 1080p ultra, ryzen9000 nonx3d does not surpass 14900k. If users play at 4k dlss quality and do not have 5090 for some reason, x3d does not have a big advantage in games either.
If two early released games are excluded from the data, intel looks better, with 14600k performance comparable to 9700x.
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There's a ton of CPU-sensitive games that are not AAA sludge.
Try Stellaris.
 
ultradelta said:
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From 1080p ultra, ryzen9000 nonx3d does not surpass 14900k. If users play at 4k dlss quality and do not have 5090 for some reason, x3d does not have a big advantage in games either.
If two early released games are excluded from the data, intel looks better, with 14600k performance comparable to 9700x.
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Agree, but when have gamers been rational consumers 😉.

There are always a percentage of people who want the best of the best and are willing to pay for it. For a very long time, high res gaming has NOT been CPU limited IIRC. I really do think it is a perception issue.
 
OneEng2 said:
Not so sure about the claim of the longest socket support. AM4 is 10 years old IIRC. Intel has a history of changing sockets nearly every cpu iteration. I think I'll have to go with a "trust and verify" approach on this one 😉.
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Where does it say that in the presentation?
Covfefe said:
Dang, Wildcat Lake has two Core 7 SKUs, four Core 5 SKUs, and one Core 3 SKU. They're really watering down the i7 (now "Core 7") branding.
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Ehh, it's not the same. They have the Core Ultra branding now. And the U series Core i7's are not really high performers. In laptops you could get an i5 and you would barely notice the difference. With the latest cores the 2+4 setup is probably not really a downgrade in any fashion over 2+8 Raptorlake chips except, Cinebench type workload. It's significantly better core for both types, and GPU is much better.
 
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OneEng2 said:
Not so sure about the claim of the longest socket support. AM4 is 10 years old IIRC. Intel has a history of changing sockets nearly every cpu iteration. I think I'll have to go with a "trust and verify" approach on this one 😉.
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OneEng2 said:
From the presentation title slide 9 "Unmatched Upgrade Opportunity".

CLEARLY it isn't "Unmatched". Far from it.
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That's in the context of "i7-1185G7vs. Core 7 360", both are laptop SKUs. There's no relevance to a Desktop socket or AM4 platform here.
 
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Intel really delivered with Panther Lake. A 2026 Dell XPS 14 using this chipset with an IPS screen can hit just 1.4 watts of idle power draw on Omarchy. That's good enough for over 47 hours!! And in real-world mixed use on another 74-Wh machine, I've seen around 16 hours of battery life. That's...
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Some battery life insight on Omarchy(Linux) for PTL.
 
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