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Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

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Wildcat Lake (WCL) Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing Raptor Lake-U. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q1 2026.

Intel Raptor Lake UIntel Wildcat Lake 15WIntel Lunar LakeIntel Panther Lake 4+0+4
Launch DateQ1-2024Q2-2026Q3-2024Q1-2026
ModelIntel 150UIntel Core 7 360Core Ultra 7 268VCore Ultra 7 365
Dies2223
NodeIntel 7 + ?Intel 18-A + TSMC N6TSMC N3B + N6Intel 18-A + Intel 3 + TSMC N6
CPU2 P-core + 8 E-cores2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores
Threads12688
Max Clock5.4 GHz4.8 GHz5 GHz4.8 GHz
L3 Cache12 MB6 MB12 MB12 MB
TDP15 - 55 W15 - 35 W17 - 37 W25 - 55 W
Memory128-bit LPDDR5-520064-bit LPDDR5x-7467128-bit LPDDR5x-8533128-bit LPDDR5x-7467
Size96 GB48 GB32 GB128 GB
Bandwidth83 GB/s60 GB/s136 GB/s120 GB/s
GPUIntel GraphicsIntel GraphicsArc 140VIntel Graphics
RTNoNoYESYES
EU / Xe96 EU2 Xe8 Xe4 Xe
Max Clock1.3 GHz2.6 GHz2 GHz2.5 GHz
NPUGNA 3.017 TOPS48 TOPS49 TOPS






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As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



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naukkis said:
Intel is about to go out of business because their fab has failed to execute time after time. If you were head of Intel do you still make important products to not yet production ready internal process without making back-up plan - dual source your products? I think that now every Intel product is dual sourced and tsmc version will be released on time if internal fab fails - which is more than likely.
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Geez that’s a lot of gloom and doom. Sounds like the BoD meeting yielded some positive steps, and the Amazon deal helps a bit too. The $3.5 billion DoD Secure Enclave is providing funding to the fab side. They’re still awaiting the $8.5 billion tranche from the CHIPs act.
I think about to go out of business is a bit much.
 
9949asd said:
Just wait till intel to announce🤪they just did changed the ARL u5 u3 from 20a to full n3b.
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Such changes doens't happen overnight they outsourced cause they had design ready bet AMD will be trouble with CLW they won't have Node advantage and Chadmont is not weak
 
jdubs03 said:
Geez that’s a lot of gloom and doom. Sounds like the BoD meeting yielded some positive steps, and the Amazon deal helps a bit too. The $3.5 billion DoD Secure Enclave is providing funding to the fab side. They’re still awaiting the $8.5 billion tranche from the CHIPs act.
I think about to go out of business is a bit much.
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Money ain't have been problem in past failures. Intel is out of server business if their fab fails again. They switch their client business to tsmc and server side can make same switch - but only if decision to start backup plan is made early enough. After their fab fails is way too late to change plans - Intel is crazy if they have bet everything on one card without backup plans as they have already have bought needed capacity from tsmc.
 
naukkis said:
Money ain't have been problem in past failures. Intel is out of server business if their fab fails again. They switch their client business to tsmc and server side can make same switch - but only if decision to start backup plan is made early enough. After their fab fails is way too late to change plans - Intel is crazy if they have bet everything on one card without backup plans as they have already have bought needed capacity from tsmc.
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Thier Fab failure means US will loose leading edge chip manufacturing which is a tall order imo anyway their fabs have been awesome pre 10nm they invented half the stuff TSMC copied hell TSMC N3 Uses a feature intel used in 22nm node lol they just need to get back on track and Design should have back-up in form of TSMC
The feature is SAC
 
desrever said:
They kept saying everything was on track until the last minute, obviously they lied.

Who is to say anything out of Intel's slide wouldn't get changed at any time since they mean nothing?
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No this is false, they simply ignored talking about 20A for months. It was on track maybe a year ago or something like that. It's not like they claimed on track shortly before they cancelled it you are implying.
 
cannedlake240 said:
No, you don't get it what Intel will just sell N3 wafers as 18A, theres no way they could launch a product, it's against the fundamental law \s
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I don't know for a fact, but my guess is these advanced processor designs at Intel are betting on the transistor density and power efficiency of 18A in order to have a viable product offering.

I suspect that it is not possible for the design to exist on N3X..... so I agree with others ..... Intel has a whole lot riding on 18A.
 
20A was a derisking node, the same as Intel 4. The only difference being that Intel 4 has to be used for HVM of MTL. If not it would have gone already too.
 
20A was by far the sanest cut to make for Intel. There were already almost no products slated to use it besides a few (likely low volume) ARL SKUs and it was certainly not slated to be offered to foundry customers. If they had infinite cash and infinite trust from investors then sure, go ahead with that to beta test GAAFETs and BSPD ahead of 18A HVM, but if you don't then reallocating those resources directly towards 18A is the only logical choice.
 
desrever said:
They kept saying everything was on track until the last minute, obviously they lied.

Who is to say anything out of Intel's slide wouldn't get changed at any time since they mean nothing?
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That doesn’t mean they lied. “Every Thing Was On Track Until I Realized I Didn’t Have The Money” would work as the title of my autobiography or the summary of the contents.
 
The Hardcard said:
That doesn’t mean they lied. “Every Thing Was On Track Until I Realized I Didn’t Have The Money” would work as the title of my autobiography or the summary of the contents.
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Except one thing. When was the last time Intel told the truth ?
 
9949asd said:
They actually do a good things to customers. Who wants to use their disadvanced node and experience 400w cpu🤣
No one want to pay for their fab, only want a good cpu.
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When was the last time they did something good for customers ?
 
Looks like ARL will launch in 6 days anyway, the old Intel Innovation Slot.
 

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