Intel lowers pricies.

[imported_Asianman]

I think AMD still has a little margin even if they lower the PII 940 to around $230 dollars or so. If they do, they will still remain competitive enough for existing AM2 owners to upgrade rather than stray down the Intel path, still, its good competition for everyone (AMD excepted)

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
But those Intel 65nm fabs . The ones with excess capacity. Isn't Intel converting those to Emersion for the 32NM process as we speak? Also doesn't Intel build Nb on older tech . Like Ipeak for I5? Intel has excess capacity only because of the hard times at present?

Because of hard times present. They expected revenue for the past 90days to be 23% higher than what it turned out to be. That means they are sitting on a sizable inventory from Q4 as it takes around 60-90 days to get product out of the pipeline once you load a fab.

By the way I don't know if many of you guys work directly in the industry (with the fabs) or know people who do but it is apparently getting extremely dismal out there. TSMC is hitting 40% utilization (that is worse than the fall-off in 2000). TI has just decided they are going to idle all of their fabs for the entire month of March. (that would be 0% utilization for 31 days)

It's bad and historically it takes a year to reverse off the bottom in the semi industry.

 

[Denithor]

Originally posted by: Asianman
I think AMD still has a little margin even if they lower the PII 940 to around $230 dollars or so. If they do, they will still remain competitive enough for existing AM2 owners to upgrade rather than stray down the Intel path, still, its good competition for everyone (AMD excepted)

Actually they should price it around $250, which would put it firmly between Q9400 & Q9550, in line with performance in most apps. It would be a bargain at that price for certain things (in a few apps it approaches i7 920 performance) and fairly priced for most everything else. The PII 920 should settle out around $200.

Does anyone else feel strange writting "PII" again after all these years?

Originally posted by: Idontcare
By the way I don't know if many of you guys work directly in the industry (with the fabs) or know people who do but it is apparently getting extremely dismal out there. TSMC is hitting 40% utilization (that is worse than the fall-off in 2000). TI has just decided they are going to idle all of their fabs for the entire month of March. (that would be 0% utilization for 31 days)

It's bad and historically it takes a year to reverse off the bottom in the semi industry.

Ouch. Idle plants for a whole month. That'll save them some cash, certainly, and deal with inventory levels somewhat. But their workers are going to be hurting if they don't have some serious reserves socked away.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Denithor
Does anyone else feel strange writting "PII" again after all these years?

I prefer PhII.

The extra h doesn't take too much effort to put in there and there is no disambiguation to deal with.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Denithor
Does anyone else feel strange writting "PII" again after all these years?

I prefer PhII.

The extra h doesn't take too much effort to put in there and there is no disambiguation to deal with.

PhII would make things easier cuz people still talk about PII, PIII every now and then.

 

[razor2025]

Intel's plan to push back mid-range i7 and P55 chipset is going to hurt the i7 adoption rate for this year.

The platform premium for i7 is anywhere from $200-300 when factoring the cost of motherboards and RAM. AMD might have a good thing going with their Dragon platform, using $100 790GX and cheap DDR2.

With these 775 price cuts, it hurts the i7 adoption rate even more, since you can get a sweet P45 motherboard for $100 and plenty of cheap DDR2 to go around, just like the Dragon platform.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: razor2025
Intel's plan to push back mid-range i7 and P55 chipset is going to hurt the i7 adoption rate for this year.

The platform premium for i7 is anywhere from $200-300 when factoring the cost of motherboards and RAM. AMD might have a good thing going with their Dragon platform, using $100 790GX and cheap DDR2.

With these 775 price cuts, it hurts the i7 adoption rate even more, since you can get a sweet P45 motherboard for $100 and plenty of cheap DDR2 to go around, just like the Dragon platform.

We know you meant I5 . Its not as bleak for I7 as you might think . As soon as intel starts selling I7 servers. IC7 doing well. More efficient . more work done in less time. In these times businesses will be all over these because of hugh cost savings in energy and productivity. I7 is the server chip. Its nice that we can use on performance boards for the desk top.

 

[Denithor]

The bigger problem for AMD right now is going to be acceptance of their "AM2+" chips when "AM3" is just around the corner.

For someone with an X2 on an AM2+ board that happens to support PhII the upgrade is a no-brainer, but unfortunately not all the AM2+ boards sold recently will support the new processors.

BTW, does newegg have any way yet to search for boards that support the new PhII processors?

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Denithor
The bigger problem for AMD right now is going to be acceptance of their "AM2+" chips when "AM3" is just around the corner.

For someone with an X2 on an AM2+ board that happens to support PhII the upgrade is a no-brainer, but unfortunately not all the AM2+ boards sold recently will support the new processors.

BTW, does newegg have any way yet to search for boards that support the new PhII processors?

They have experience selling B2 phenom inventory when B3's were released. They will have no problems moving AM2+ PhII inventory. Will they do it at a profit or loss is the next question.

 

[taltamir]

please santa, please! give me a price war!

 

[nyker96]

last i checked retailers still selling at old price!! :[

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: nyker96
last i checked retailers still selling at old price!! :[

well, its not like intel gives them a refund of the difference between the old price and new price. It will take a little while for them to go through older stock and start offering the new prices. Otherwise they would be selling at a loss.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: nyker96
last i checked retailers still selling at old price!! :[

well, its not like intel gives them a refund of the difference between the old price and new price. It will take a little while for them to go through older stock and start offering the new prices. Otherwise they would be selling at a loss.

I'm not so sure about that.

Smaller guys would be less likely to have stipulated price rebates into their purchasing contracts but I doubt very much that the top-10 $-volume customers have much trouble getting such wording into their contracts. These are the guys Intel relies on taking delivery of orders on the last day of the last month of the quarter so they can hit prior guidance numbers. You got to scratch backs in that world.

Regardless, why would prices not come down immediately? The assumption is that competition amongst the retailers would drive prices down as readily as the input costs are decreased...but that does not have to be the case for both legal and illegal reasons.

 

[ochadd]

The Q9650 is such an ungodly processor for $300 it amazes me they are pricing them down so far. I want the power in my rig. Have no use for it but how can you go wrong? Quad core stock @ 3Ghz with 8GB of DDR2 for under $400? Incredible.

 

[kevman]

Originally posted by: nyker96
last i checked retailers still selling at old price!! :[

Yeah, when is this "cut" gonna trickle down to the retailers ? so far Mwave is the only one I see that has the 9650 down to price.

 

[Denithor]

Just buy from them. Make newegg pay for their greed with a lost sale.

 

[Wreckage]

After their profit was down 90% I imagine they are trying plug some holes in the dam.

Hopefully some of the older quads will drop in price on eBay.

 

[Nemesis 1]

You guys remember quit some time ago. How Intel announced X58 and I7 would be the top of the line . And I5 would be mid to low end. It was I who said in those early threads its about time that Intel did something like this. I still stand by that.

We all new that X58 was going to be the top of the line with I7 . Yet after its release all cry about pricing . Ok fine. But lets view it from another perspective. Lets view from the perspective of the guys that shell out the big bucks for I7. It is aggervating as all hell to spend the big bucks only to have a low budget system perform the same . THAT SUCKS.

What intel has done is morally correct. If I buy i7 I am assured of top performance . With budget system not even coming close. You guys might say I seen numbers for I5 And its as good as I7 . Oh my that does seem to be the case. Ya right I seen no one test with a larrabee card. You guys need to look at the tech companies intel bought to create a platiform . One of those companies explains why Intel need X58 and I7 to really push larrabee to the highest level of performance . We been threw this befor. I gave ya the links and the info . Yet ya haven't put it all together. I know maybe more than someone like myself should know . But what can I say . Family is Family . When larrabee is tested with I7 and I5 and the differances shown . It will drop your jaw.

I may not get to see those test that all see . But I swear There will be a ton of new posters who will not let it go . I have quit alot of people supporting me right now . I will have the last word. Even if its not me saying it.

Why cut down intels high end pricies. Buy the mid to low when its available. This High cost thing is getting sickening.

None have seen the complete platiform yet with larrabee. There are people out there with the complete systems right now. They aren't talking and they won't either. When Larrabee is introduced it will be introduced with project offset game what ever its final name it will be bundled with larrabee.

Sure many want it to be the way its always been . Buy budget get top performance. Many of us don't want that. We pay top dollar we don't want to see lowbudget = top performance . Intel has finally made it so that won't happen and I for one applaud that.

You guys may not like it . But QPI on I7 to the gpu is the game changer. Its just you won't see that till larrabee arrives.

Go to project offset news section . Read how project offset is exclusive to Intel . If the game sucks none will care . But if its great the crying will be heard around the world. Why did intel do this or that . they could have made the game for all systems. No they can't because Right now today . AMD and NV can not do software render with ray tracing.

Amd won't be far behind at all . but they to I believe have an exclusive game coming with DX11. NV if their new tech works will be right there also with DX11. But ya see intel doesn't need DX11 intel doesn't need DX anything . But to play older games they need to be able to run DX. Your about to see your worlds turned inside out done the right way.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
After their profit was down 90% I imagine they are trying plug some holes in the dam.

Hopefully some of the older quads will drop in price on eBay.

Yep profit was down 90% on paper only . Intel still put over 1 billion in their pockets. Most of us understand that.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Wreckage
After their profit was down 90% I imagine they are trying plug some holes in the dam.

Hopefully some of the older quads will drop in price on eBay.

Yep profit was down 90% on paper only . Intel still put over 1 billion in their pockets. Most of us understand that.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10143402-64.html

Intel reported Thursday a 90 percent drop in net income for the fourth quarter, as the company continued to cite an "uncertain" environment.

 

[Quizard]

Thanks Intel for lowering your prices cause now AMD lowered theres!!!

 

[Nemesis 1]

Whats with your link . pretty bad report . heres the interesting part. I got ya a link . You won' t even have to read just watch and listen . Than you might understand that Intel actually made 1 billion '300 million in this quarter in Intels pockets . A write down is not $$$ going out the door its paper money on paper only Enough of this.

http://odeo.com/episodes/23846...-Off-950M-on-Clearwire

 

[Denithor]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
You guys may not like it . But QPI on I7 to the gpu is the game changer. Its just you won't see that till larrabee arrives.
...
Your about to see your worlds turned inside out done the right way.

Wow, what a rambling soapbox speech praising the almighty Intel. I think.

You sound like nRollo talking about nVidia's latest greatest 3D glasses that will "revolutionize gaming as we know it" and "change the game forever."

Yadda yadda yadda...

I can see where QPI could give an advantage, the same as HyperTransport would give AMD an advantage...if they could properly link it to the GPU, which neither has done yet...and if that GPU could provide gaming-level performance. Somehow I have a hard time believing that a single core that's part of a CPU can produce the same results as a full core - consisting of >1 billion transistors - supported by 1GB dedicated GDDR5, etc.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Whats with your link . pretty bad report .

It's called news and facts. Go read the press release on Intel's site.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Hay lay off the stereo thing . I am jealous. Iam legeally blind in one eye. So I can't see stereo. I wish I could. Nv has good product there for those who can see it. My wife can see stereo she says its cool I can't see so I don't know.

On the Intel thing Ya I am talking high on intel.

But I like AMD now. Back before Ati 4000 seies I told you guys it would please. In another thread or maybe that same thread. Guys were Banging On PHI and PHII would be no better . I called BS . I said PhII would be better than most exspected It was . It was actually better than I thought . Not bad AMD . Than the O/C knocked my socks off . I didn't see that train coming .

Just because I praise Intel for tring to take us out of dark ages . Don't think I ain't pulling for AMD/ATI because I am .

Who in this forum wouldn't enjoy a fantastic game that does ray tracing ? Anyone?

So that whats exciting for me . I always wanted to see A raytraced game. So ya I am hyping and for good reason . NO company ever hs spent more money to bring us a game.

You see the people working on this project . It listed on the project offset page . Impressive . Than look at the Driver team . The best of the best are at intel getting this thing ready for prime time. Yep I am hyping . But soon I won't have to. As others will start hyping.