Intel limiting OC of CPU by 10% with new chipsets.
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SneakyStuff
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Zebo
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Intel sucks plain as that. Most people will continue to buy thier warez because they don't care about OCing but not me. I like getting a $800+++ chip for pennies. Least we forget about thier ever changing sockets, forceing you to buy a new case and PSU in BTX and thier serious processor leakage problems using 140++W. Combine that with a GF6800 and you need a $150PSU like the emermax 651 even for a lousy 10% OC.
AMD A64 baby
More performance, free to OC, Less heat and less power.
AMD A64 baby
More performance, free to OC, Less heat and less power.
Zebo
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Well a lot can happen in a year. Looking at your rig and most 875/865/northwood holders I see no reason to upgrade until then. There are rumors about a A64 clone but with HT. IE integrated mem controller and 64 bit instruction set Intel chip which would put the serious hurt on AMD who has gotten price happy as of late.
http://www.overclockers.com/articles1025/
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http://www.overclockers.com/tips00545
http://www.overclockers.com/articles1025/
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http://www.overclockers.com/tips00545
Well I went from a P4 to a A64 system and am happy.
BUT I know the Intel fanboys hate to run anything but Intel BUT being the 915/925 limit the overclock AND have no true AGP I think SiS and esp. VIA, TRUE AGP port in their 775 chipset, will be getting a lot of the 775 P4 sales.
BUT I know the Intel fanboys hate to run anything but Intel BUT being the 915/925 limit the overclock AND have no true AGP I think SiS and esp. VIA, TRUE AGP port in their 775 chipset, will be getting a lot of the 775 P4 sales.
SneakyStuff
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:Q I never thought I'd see the day you would say that.
This will have a big impact of memory makers. If a system can't reach more than 240MHz FSB, then there is no point in having anything better than PC4000 (DDR500) or PC3200 (DDR400) if you want to run at 5:4.
Given some time, I'm sure AMD will do this same thing. I'm sure these companies are losing millions of dollars due to people like us overclocking. It's too bad, and I think the days of overclocking are numbered.
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I really doubt amd will do this thier is little point for them to do this. they know thier only chance is to keep in the good graces of the enthusiest crowd and if they piss them off it could really hurt
Zebo
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Do You really think allowing overclcoking AMD or Intel is losing money with overclockers? I don't. We buy more chips more often. We also would'nt pay premium prices on principle if they shut us out. It's a hobby now which would quickly become a resentful relatrionship if they locked us out. IMO
Intel is probably getting sick of people burning up their processors in under 3 years and having to replace it.
That and they had so many come back for bent pins they now make MoBo makers put the pins on teh board.
But don;t forget, there is still the SiS and VIA chipsets. Remember when Intel shot itself in the foot last time and VIA got a large share of the chipset market and really put them on the map.
Newsflash - if AMD's core customers are cheap bastards then AMD *should* be trying to alienate them. The A64 is for the big boys, not the cheap boys. Besides what're the cheapasses gonna do, go buy celerons :laugh:
Of course they're losing money on people overclocking! I'm sure of it. I would surely pay $200 for a CPU that did what I needed it to do if I couldn't overclock a $70 one to do the exact same thing. I agree that what they're planning would anger alot of people, but most of us would be forced to pony up and spend the cash. I don't know if you've noticed, but 90% of the people on here, especially on the video forums, are hardcore gamers who require nothing short of cutting-edge hardware.
I think the more likely scenario would be some new company, maybe VIA or something, would make CPUs that were overclockable and take over that market segment.
Hopefully this will all just blow over like it did a few years ago.
AMD has always said they like to support the overclocking market. I'd say that's why they've left the mobile athlons unlocked - they encourage overclockers to pay a little more for an unlocked chip and take the risk of what it's capable of. A lot of overclockers are trying to work off budgets, and no matter what will not be buying the most expensive chips. Intel are really just shooting themselves in the foot now. People aren't going to buy more expensive intel chips because they can't overclock the cheaper ones, they're just going to buy cheaper amd ones and overclock those.
Zebo
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Celeron puke.
Hehe What you got there? That's right a $270 DTR probably overclcoked to a $800 3700+ or better. Cheapass bar. Besides I'm not even talking about A64 as a whole just the insane >$700 prices on the 939 which I've heard no one say it's a fair bargain and they are not picking one up. Are they? Even Anand says it''s a ripofff in so many words and he's paid to hype. Point is most customers pay based on performance, if there is a 10% increase in performance most are more than happy to pay 10% more money not 100%- 200% more money like AMD is doing. AMD buyers understand these ratios, they are not cheap perse just understand value. Same goes for Emergency Edition P4's which is on the do not buy list.
Well I agree with you there but then again they're targeting the P4 EE crowd. No one's forcing anyone to buy 3700+/3800, in fact even if the CPUs were $500, they would not see an appreciable sales volume increase so they are doing the right thing in maxing revenue. AMD's core fanbase is not particularly considered with the latest and greatest considering they're still buying Athlon XPs. AMD is doing what it should right now, make money and establish the premium A64 line. Those both involve placing premium prices on the A64s. Catering to Athlon XP customers has not and will never get AMD into the black. They need the high profit CPUs which are customers they need to siphon out of Intel's fanbase. While I'm not buying the top of the line I am exactly the kind of customer AMD is aiming at, upper mid-range+ that had an Intel P4 RDRAM rig and moved over due to several issues most notably performance and lack of heat of the A64 versus the P4.
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Mobos is the thing holding people back from A64 754 not price IMO. With all the issues on rev1's like no locks and still to this day it's difficult to find a rock solid guaranteed clockers board with "all the right stuff." When building a system the miniscule $100-$150 for A64 added to total system cost is insignifigant. Until there is "NF7-S" or "IC7" type board out there sales will always be less than A-XP or P4 even though it performs much better than both.
I'd have to disagree and say it's price. People aren't buying Athlon XPs for performance. You're looking at about $200ish price difference between a midrange AXP and A64 system. That's a quite significant 100%+ premium. In a a sub $1000 system that's HUGE and I don't see AXP buyers building systems for much beyond that.
The core AMD buyer base is cheap, there's no way around that. They expect A64 performance at AXP prices. Well, they can keep on hoping because it's not gonna happen. Meanwhile, the rest of us will enjoy our A64s.
The core AMD buyer base is cheap, there's no way around that. They expect A64 performance at AXP prices. Well, they can keep on hoping because it's not gonna happen. Meanwhile, the rest of us will enjoy our A64s.
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