Intel Larrabee is capable of 2 TFLOPS

[Aberforth]

New information on Intel's new secret GPU has surfaced, I am going to list the main highlights from the news article

-Entirely made of x86 Pentium P54C cores
-Has 32 processing cores
-512bit SIMD Unit
-45nm fab
-Cores clocked @ 2.0GHz
-2 Tera Flops raw power
-Consumes 300Watts
-IS as fast as Radeon R700

Source: http://www.techpowerup.com/index.php?64974



We already have a newer Larrabee topic:

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2214021&enterthread=y

There's no point in bumping this older one.

Video Mod BFG10K.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Aberforth
New information on Intel's new secret GPU has surfaced, I am going to list the main highlights from the news article

-Entirely made of x86 Pentium P54C cores
-Has 32 processing cores
-512bit SIMD Unit
-45nm fab
-Cores clocked @ 2.0GHz
-2 Tera Flops raw power
-Consumes 300Watts
-IS as fast as Radeon R700

Source: http://www.techpowerup.com/index.php?64974

Bold ^ At what? Playing DVD's?

Heeeeeeeeeer comes the hype!!!

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

So when is it coming out? If it is "only" as fast as R700 it has to come out this year or else...

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Aberforth
New information on Intel's new secret GPU has surfaced, I am going to list the main highlights from the news article

-Entirely made of x86 Pentium P54C cores
-Has 32 processing cores
-512bit SIMD Unit
-45nm fab
-Cores clocked @ 2.0GHz
-2 Tera Flops raw power
-Consumes 300Watts
-IS as fast as Radeon R700

Source: http://www.techpowerup.com/index.php?64974

Bold ^ At what? Playing DVD's?

Yes, DVD's included as well, you better get yourself a BluRay drive.

 

[Bateluer]

Larrabee is over a year away?

While Intel definitely has marketing muscle and the R&D facilities and fab facilities to make a good chip, time will tell the performance and capabilities of the card.

 

[shangshang]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Larrabee is over a year away?

While Intel definitely has marketing muscle and the R&D facilities and fab facilities to make a good chip, time will tell the performance and capabilities of the card.

When a gorilla such as Intel has R&D, fabs, and marketing, it can't be discounted so casually. Intel can afford to make a mistake and still easily survive to improve their product.

Remember AMD and its K7 heydays? The K7 was spanking Intel's ass all over, but AMD today as a company is in a much much worser shape than Intel. For Intel to compete with Larrabee, they only simply need to make it cheap and widely available, and beat their competitions via a pricewar.

I'm willing to bet that AMD investors (and NV investors) are worried about Intel.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: shangshang

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Larrabee is over a year away?

While Intel definitely has marketing muscle and the R&D facilities and fab facilities to make a good chip, time will tell the performance and capabilities of the card.

When a gorilla such as Intel has R&D, fabs, and marketing, it can't be discounted so casually. Intel can afford to make a mistake and still easily survive to improve their product.

Remember AMD and its K7 heydays? The K7 was spanking Intel's ass all over, but AMD today as a company is in a much much worser shape than Intel. For Intel to compete with Larrabee, they only simply need to make it cheap and widely available, and beat their competitions via a pricewar.

I'm willing to bet that AMD investors (and NV investors) are worried about Intel.

It's hard to say.

Intel's discrete graphics effort was a huge flop, and there are other things they've tried oiutside their core market that flopped as well.

The other thing is the Larrabee is so far off (and so little is known) it's impossible to speculate. OK- R700 performance at what? Vantage? Crysis? Doom1? With AA/AF? HDR?

The used to be a company called Bitboyz that were always "this close" to the new supercard.

 

[Viditor]

To the best of my knowledge...

1. Larrabee is not to be a desktop graphics card, but is for stream processing only (hence the 2 TFlops of raw computing power)...this is otherwise known as CTM or Close To Metal processing.
2. AMD's CTM card is currently at 1 TFlop and is expected to hit 2 TFlops early next year.
3. Larrabee is due out at the end of 2009, early 2010

 

[RussianSensation]

1. You can't measure performance through TFlops alone as GTX 280 is faster than HD4870.
2. Even if intel can bring you the fastest graphics card, their driver support has no proven track record whatsoever.

 

[Intelman07]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
1. You can't measure performance through TFlops alone as GTX 280 is faster than HD4870.
2. Even if intel can bring you the fastest graphics card, their driver support has no proven track record whatsoever.

What does a TFlop mean then. If the HD 4870 has more, why shouldn't it be quicker. Is it drivers? Code tweaking?

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
1. You can't measure performance through TFlops alone as GTX 280 is faster than HD4870.
2. Even if intel can bring you the fastest graphics card, their driver support has no proven track record whatsoever.

1. GTX 280 only 10% faster than HD 4870 and that's with a over sized 1.4 BILLION TRANSISTORS GPU, the problem lies in their bloated architecture.

2. Come on- there are issues with drivers with every hardware, 30% of vista crashes are due to nv drivers not Intel, take a look at nvidia driver forums- there is at least a dozen people complaining everyday about TDR errors and SLI issues.

 

[geoffry]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: shangshang

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Larrabee is over a year away?

While Intel definitely has marketing muscle and the R&D facilities and fab facilities to make a good chip, time will tell the performance and capabilities of the card.

When a gorilla such as Intel has R&D, fabs, and marketing, it can't be discounted so casually. Intel can afford to make a mistake and still easily survive to improve their product.

Remember AMD and its K7 heydays? The K7 was spanking Intel's ass all over, but AMD today as a company is in a much much worser shape than Intel. For Intel to compete with Larrabee, they only simply need to make it cheap and widely available, and beat their competitions via a pricewar.

I'm willing to bet that AMD investors (and NV investors) are worried about Intel.

It's hard to say.

Intel's discrete graphics effort was a huge flop, and there are other things they've tried oiutside their core market that flopped as well.

The other thing is the Larrabee is so far off (and so little is known) it's impossible to speculate. OK- R700 performance at what? Vantage? Crysis? Doom1? With AA/AF? HDR?

The used to be a company called Bitboyz that were always "this close" to the new supercard.

While in performance terms you can call the intel IGP a flop, you definitely can't call it one in terms of sales.

Which is I think what Shang's pont was, even if the performance isn't killer, Intel might be able to still gain share through wickedly low prices due to its fab process and experience or some other killer app or feature of Larrabee.

Then again it might be terrible at everything and fade into history, you never know.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: shangshang

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Larrabee is over a year away?

While Intel definitely has marketing muscle and the R&D facilities and fab facilities to make a good chip, time will tell the performance and capabilities of the card.

When a gorilla such as Intel has R&D, fabs, and marketing, it can't be discounted so casually. Intel can afford to make a mistake and still easily survive to improve their product.

Remember AMD and its K7 heydays? The K7 was spanking Intel's ass all over, but AMD today as a company is in a much much worser shape than Intel. For Intel to compete with Larrabee, they only simply need to make it cheap and widely available, and beat their competitions via a pricewar.

I'm willing to bet that AMD investors (and NV investors) are worried about Intel.

It's hard to say.

Intel's discrete graphics effort was a huge flop, and there are other things they've tried oiutside their core market that flopped as well.

The other thing is the Larrabee is so far off (and so little is known) it's impossible to speculate. OK- R700 performance at what? Vantage? Crysis? Doom1? With AA/AF? HDR?

The used to be a company called Bitboyz that were always "this close" to the new supercard.

While in performance terms you can call the intel IGP a flop, you definitely can't call it one in terms of sales.

Which is I think what Shang's pont was, even if the performance isn't killer, Intel might be able to still gain share through wickedly low prices due to its fab process and experience or some other killer app or feature of Larrabee.

Then again it might be terrible at everything and fade into history, you never know.

Who's talking about market share here? Straight up performance is what I think the center of discussion is here. Intel could sell a billion Larabee, but they could all suck just as bad as their IGP.

 

[taltamir]

what is the ETA on it? if soon it could annihilate the competition.

 

[geoffry]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Who's talking about market share here? Straight up performance is what I think the center of discussion is here. Intel could sell a billion Larabee, but they could all suck just as bad as their IGP.

While it may not be important to you for some reason, if they sell a decent amount of the intial cards even if it isn't a monster it would allow Intel to viably continue their development of future cards and become even more competitive in the long term.

I would think you would be happier to see a third firm enter the discrete GPU market.

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Who's talking about market share here? Straight up performance is what I think the center of discussion is here. Intel could sell a billion Larabee, but they could all suck just as bad as their IGP.

While it may not be important to you for some reason, if they sell a decent amount of the intial cards even if it isn't a monster it would allow Intel to viably continue their development of future cards and become even more competitive in the long term.

I would think you would be happier to see a third firm enter the discrete GPU market.

Are you unaware that keys is an Nvidia Focus Group member and that he receives free hardware from NV? Based on your comment, it would seem that you aren't. I don't mean that as a flame to anyone, but your comment seems odd and out of place, given the situation.

 

[geoffry]

Originally posted by: AmberClad

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Who's talking about market share here? Straight up performance is what I think the center of discussion is here. Intel could sell a billion Larabee, but they could all suck just as bad as their IGP.

While it may not be important to you for some reason, if they sell a decent amount of the intial cards even if it isn't a monster it would allow Intel to viably continue their development of future cards and become even more competitive in the long term.

I would think you would be happier to see a third firm enter the discrete GPU market.

Are you unaware that keys is an Nvidia Focus Group member and that he receives free hardware from NV? Based on your comment, it would seem that you aren't. I don't mean that as a flame to anyone, but your comment seems odd and out of place, given the situation.

I know, I was debating about pointing out his probable bias towards NVDA and not wanting a juggernaut to come into the business and possibly hurt NVDA.

I thought it might be construed as a personal attack though so I left it out.

 

[sandorski]

I doubt Intel will ever be a GPU contender. Unless they buy out NVidia.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: Aberforth
-Consumes 300Watts
-IS as fast as Radeon R700

Well, it sure is faster at increasing your electricity bill :Q

 

[geoffry]

Originally posted by: sandorski
I doubt Intel will ever be a GPU contender. Unless they buy out NVidia.

While they may not be a gaming GPU competitor at first I think Larrabee is a significant problem for NVDA and CUDA...if Larrabee is programmable just like any other Intel CPU its basically a many, many core Pentium, Core 2 Duo, Nehalem or whatever the architecture is similiar to.

 

[SneakyStuff]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: Aberforth
-Consumes 300Watts
-IS as fast as Radeon R700

Well, it sure is faster at increasing your electricity bill :Q

lol must be the lightning series

 

[spittledip]

It sounds big and bloated to me. and maybe a bit desperate?

 

[SilentRunning]

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: shangshang

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Larrabee is over a year away?

While Intel definitely has marketing muscle and the R&D facilities and fab facilities to make a good chip, time will tell the performance and capabilities of the card.

When a gorilla such as Intel has R&D, fabs, and marketing, it can't be discounted so casually. Intel can afford to make a mistake and still easily survive to improve their product.

Remember AMD and its K7 heydays? The K7 was spanking Intel's ass all over, but AMD today as a company is in a much much worser shape than Intel. For Intel to compete with Larrabee, they only simply need to make it cheap and widely available, and beat their competitions via a pricewar.

I'm willing to bet that AMD investors (and NV investors) are worried about Intel.

It's hard to say.

Intel's discrete graphics effort was a huge flop, and there are other things they've tried oiutside their core market that flopped as well.

The other thing is the Larrabee is so far off (and so little is known) it's impossible to speculate. OK- R700 performance at what? Vantage? Crysis? Doom1? With AA/AF? HDR?

The used to be a company called Bitboyz that were always "this close" to the new supercard.

While in performance terms you can call the intel IGP a flop, you definitely can't call it one in terms of sales.

Which is I think what Shang's pont was, even if the performance isn't killer, Intel might be able to still gain share through wickedly low prices due to its fab process and experience or some other killer app or feature of Larrabee.

Then again it might be terrible at everything and fade into history, you never know.

I believe nRollo is referring to Intel's i740 aka StarFighter graphics.

 

[Quiksilver]

-Entirely made of x86 Pentium P54C cores
-Has 32 processing cores

This is just silly. Why not use newer processors, ones that are more efficient, so you won't need so many cores to put out the same processing power and won't needed 300W of power draw and will be likely be cooling running as well.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Intelman07

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
1. You can't measure performance through TFlops alone as GTX 280 is faster than HD4870.
2. Even if intel can bring you the fastest graphics card, their driver support has no proven track record whatsoever.

What does a TFlop mean then. If the HD 4870 has more, why shouldn't it be quicker. Is it drivers? Code tweaking?

Just a theoretical computational power number related to floating point calculations. While it might manifest itself in heavy scientific apps, it just represents a "theoretical peak" throughput. There are many other factors such as shader complexity, AA efficiency, memory bus architecture and memory subsystem performance, etc. By this account 2 TFlops PS3 should be faster than GTX 280 in Folding@home which it isnt and even faster than R700 but it only has a 7900GT OC onboard...

Tflops tell us nothing about AA performance either where 4870 shines at 8AA.