Intel just don't fail to disappppoint me

[MobiusPizza]

Intel Paxville VS AMD Opteron

A company who has huge amount of money to put in R&D still can't compete a smaller company with less R&D expenses generation after generation of products!?
I felt sorry for Intel. Must be something wrong with their engineers.

Just when they can get serious and spend a little effort in getting the design right.

The most basic objective for a company to market a product is to identify the basic requirements of customers. What do server computers need? Even a 15 years old can answer. Performance, Power consumption, Heat dissipation

Intel?s new dual-core Xeon consumes the most power of any processors we?ve seen to date

"

While performance is not that serious of a factor, they cannot afford to not consider the power consumption factor. This product should not even be released to market; not worthy of the "Server processor" category.

In this rate I'll become a full-fledged AMD fanboi in no time.

 

[Brunnis]

Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX
Intel Paxville VS AMD Opteron

A company who has huge amount of money to put in R&D still can't compete a smaller company with less R&D expenses generation after generation of products!?
I felt sorry for Intel. Must be something wrong with their engineers.

Well, there isn't really anything wrong with their engineers. I'd be very surprised if the Netburst architecture wasn't the result of decisions made in the PR department and not by the engineers. It's my personal belief that Intel's line-up would have looked very different today if the development and design decisions were made primarily by the engineers. Those poor bastards must not have had a very fun job the past two years, trying to turn the Netburst into a competitive product. Anyway, it's also my belief that, in a business like this, one should make the PR department work for the engineers and the products they design and not the other way around.

With all this said, Intel is actually going to ditch the Netburst next year and finally be on track again.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

and yet Intc can fall in a pile of dog shat and come out smelling like roses look at the gross margins this year *unaudited

 

[MobiusPizza]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
and yet Intc can fall in a pile of dog shat and come out smelling like roses look at the gross margins this year *unaudited

lol now I feel sad for those buyers for buying such a junk without realizing

 

[MobiusPizza]

Originally posted by: Brunnis

Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX
Intel Paxville VS AMD Opteron

A company who has huge amount of money to put in R&D still can't compete a smaller company with less R&D expenses generation after generation of products!?
I felt sorry for Intel. Must be something wrong with their engineers.

Well, there isn't really anything wrong with their engineers. I'd be very surprised if the Netburst architecture wasn't the result of decisions made in the PR department and not by the engineers. It's my personal belief that Intel's line-up would have looked very different today if the development and design decisions were made primarily by the engineers. Those poor bastards must not have had a very fun job the past two years, trying to turn the Netburst into a competitive product. Anyway, it's also my belief that, in a business like this, one should make the PR department work for the engineers and the products they design and not the other way around.

With all this said, Intel is actually going to ditch the Netburst next year and finally be on track again.

That'd be miserable if it's the truth
I wonder who had been keeping Netburst alive instead of ditching it witnesing the faliue of the whole genration of Pentium 4

Nevertheless the Mhz game had earned Intel quit a lot of money by blinding and ripping buyers off

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
and yet Intc can fall in a pile of dog shat and come out smelling like roses look at the gross margins this year *unaudited

lol now I feel sad for those buyers for buying such a junk without realizing

Don't, most find their computers have more power than they need Out of the client base I built XP palomino and T-bred systems for *all sub 2000+, only 1 has inquired about an upgrade so far, and that's because their son games on it now, and the G4MX IGP ain't cuttin' it anymore.

 

[carlosd]

Netburst sucks, intel please KILL IT!.

 

[MobiusPizza]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
and yet Intc can fall in a pile of dog shat and come out smelling like roses look at the gross margins this year *unaudited

lol now I feel sad for those buyers for buying such a junk without realizing

Don't, most find their computers have more power than they need Out of the client base I built XP palomino and T-bred systems for *all sub 2000+, only 1 has inquired about an upgrade so far, and that's because their son games on it now, and the G4MX IGP ain't cuttin' it anymore.

It's not just the performance but also power requirement as well... I don't understand the new 65nm chips from Intel has the nearly same power requirement as he 90nm counterparts. It's freaking me out.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
and yet Intc can fall in a pile of dog shat and come out smelling like roses look at the gross margins this year *unaudited

lol now I feel sad for those buyers for buying such a junk without realizing

Don't, most find their computers have more power than they need Out of the client base I built XP palomino and T-bred systems for *all sub 2000+, only 1 has inquired about an upgrade so far, and that's because their son games on it now, and the G4MX IGP ain't cuttin' it anymore.

It's not just the performance but also power requirement as well... I don't understand the new 65nm chips from Intel has the nearly same power requirement as he 90nm counterparts. It's freaking me out.

I'm still waiting for LED lighting to be mainstream for the house

 

[Hacp]

We already know the 90nm Netburst chips from intel are hot. Whats new? Wasting your time bashing intel will not accomplish anything.

 

[Shadrack]

Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX
Intel Paxville VS AMD Opteron

A company who has huge amount of money to put in R&D still can't compete a smaller company with less R&D expenses generation after generation of products!?
I felt sorry for Intel. Must be something wrong with their engineers.

Just when they can get serious and spend a little effort in getting the design right.

The most basic objective for a company to market a product is to identify the basic requirements of customers. What do server computers need? Even a 15 years old can answer. Performance, Power consumption, Heat dissipation

Intel?s new dual-core Xeon consumes the most power of any processors we?ve seen to date

"

While performance is not that serious of a factor, they cannot afford to not consider the power consumption factor. This product should not even be released to market; not worthy of the "Server processor" category.

In this rate I'll become a full-fledged AMD fanboi in no time.

Nice the wasy you turned this into an Intel bashing thread.
But again you aree wrong.
The most basic objective for a company to market a product is to identify the basic requirements of customers. What do server computers need? Even a 15 years old can answer. Performance, Power consumption, Heat dissipation

A server needs to be first and foremost powered my a reliable CPU.
Reliability is the name of the game when talking about servers.

 

[coldpower27]

New architectures don't fall from the sky in the CPU world, it takes time to develop something different, NetBurst is going to be phased out as 65nm is likely the last node you will see processors based on this architecture. It has a decent lifetime, it was best in the days of Northwood, but it is past it's prime now. I also hardly call a 20% reduction in power consumption the same in power.

Intel's Next Generation micro-architecture, will address the concerns on power consumption in a big way. And I agree, for servers reliability is key and is backed by good support, that is what is more important. Performance and heat isn't quite as important on the server side unless they hinder reliability and support.

NetBurst has done quite well from a financial standpoint all through it's life as Intel got the MHZ train running.

 

[Markfw]

The most basic objective for a company to market a product is to identify the basic requirements of customers. What do server computers need? Even a 15 years old can answer. Performance, Power consumption, Heat dissipation

A server needs to be first and foremost powered my a reliable CPU.
Reliability is the name of the game when talking about servers.

Reliabilty number 1 ? well, yes, but we have a serious power problem in one of our data ceters, and running all of our Wintel boxes at 1/2 their current consumption would fix that. Are you trying to say Opterons aren;t reliable ? Don't even go there.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX

The most basic objective for a company to market a product is to identify the basic requirements of customers. What do server computers need? Even a 15 years old can answer. Performance, Power consumption, Heat dissipation

Now you're beginning to sound like the business majors that I share my workplace with. However they did go into detail by this AMAZING revelation that "If Intel produces processors that are faster than the competition, lower power AND cheaper then they'll regain market dominance." Wow... no kidding Einstein The engineering department doesn't have a magic lamp that we can rub to produce a processor to dominate the competition.

 

[ribbon13]

Nothing to see here. Move along

 

[dmens]

I don't understand the new 65nm chips from Intel has the nearly same power requirement as he 90nm counterparts. It's freaking me out.

Where'd you get that?

First you quote a bogus review, then you disparage the engineers. intel cpu's suck because intel engineers are stupid, even though:

1) intel and amd basically hire from the same schools.
2) many engineers applied and got offers from both companies.
3) plenty of engineers actually worked for both companies.

Just when they can get serious and spend a little effort in getting the design right.

That coming from someone who probably has zero experience just about everything related to cpu design.. LOL! You'll make a fine fanboi.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: ribbon13

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX

The most basic objective for a company to market a product is to identify the basic requirements of customers. What do server computers need? Even a 15 years old can answer. Performance, Power consumption, Heat dissipation

Now you're beginning to sound like the business majors that I share my workplace with. However they did go into detail by this AMAZING revelation that "If Intel produces processors that are faster than the competition, lower power AND cheaper then they'll regain market dominance." Wow... no kidding Einstein The engineering department doesn't have a magic lamp that we can rub to produce a processor to dominate the competition.

And you're an asshat, putting words in someone elses mouth. Whoa there, bet you didn't see that one coming. Next time remove the correct quote lines.

Huh? Where did that come from?

 

[TuxDave]

 

[ribbon13]

edit.

I only saw what you quoted in Shadracks post, not in the OPs. re-read it, and yes. self ownage.

 

[Shenkoa]

In my opinion, Intel's processors are junk. Intel is about the $!

 

[AkumaX]

all this talk about quad core, when you have "eight" procs, where's the performance?!

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX

Originally posted by: Brunnis

Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX
Intel Paxville VS AMD Opteron

A company who has huge amount of money to put in R&D still can't compete a smaller company with less R&D expenses generation after generation of products!?
I felt sorry for Intel. Must be something wrong with their engineers.

Well, there isn't really anything wrong with their engineers. I'd be very surprised if the Netburst architecture wasn't the result of decisions made in the PR department and not by the engineers. It's my personal belief that Intel's line-up would have looked very different today if the development and design decisions were made primarily by the engineers. Those poor bastards must not have had a very fun job the past two years, trying to turn the Netburst into a competitive product. Anyway, it's also my belief that, in a business like this, one should make the PR department work for the engineers and the products they design and not the other way around.

With all this said, Intel is actually going to ditch the Netburst next year and finally be on track again.

That'd be miserable if it's the truth
I wonder who had been keeping Netburst alive instead of ditching it witnesing the faliue of the whole genration of Pentium 4

Nevertheless the Mhz game had earned Intel quit a lot of money by blinding and ripping buyers off

It's very true. Revelations from engineers from intel, some of whom resigned in discust, indicate that the P4's design was the result of a marketing-driven focus on clock speeds instead of continuing with the p6.

 

[dmens]

That's because some of the engineers who quit feel the need to toss blame around and run their mouths. Seriously, allegations regarding the "marketing driven P4" tend to be wildly exaggerated or outright false. Last time I checked, the arch and design leads of the old DPG group didn't report to the marketing VP, and the people who were actually involved with the critical design decisions of the P4 projects are not going to be talking details any time soon.

FYI, if intel DPG were really run by the marketers, the whole damn group would have collapsed before willamette even taped out. yeesh.

 

[fire400]

no matter what, Intel will make the bucks while AMD will brag about their processors, Intel is just sittin' there, knowing they will collect revenue, Intel has way better advertising than AMD.

quoting the guy who talked about stupid engineers, building a 100% stable system will make people aw, but seeing a system that offers one extra feature but performs at 95% stability will obviously outsell the 100$ stable system. it's common sense, and in marketing, that's what Intel has. AMD can sue Intel all they want from market mischieve, but Intel will still dominate the market.

Ofcourse the Xeons will sell, it's a XEON~! lol

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: dmens
That's because some of the engineers who quit feel the need to toss blame around and run their mouths. Seriously, allegations regarding the "marketing driven P4" tend to be wildly exaggerated or outright false. Last time I checked, the arch and design leads of the old DPG group didn't report to the marketing VP, and the people who were actually involved with the critical design decisions of the P4 projects are going to be talking details any time soon.

FYI, if intel DPG were really run by the marketers, the whole damn group would have collapsed before willamette even taped out. yeesh.

I wish Wingz and pm would post more too, I frequently learn something from reading what you guys contribute, Thank you.