Intel is SOOOO Screwed now, AMD is King!!!

[Mikewarrior2]

Intel does overcharge, but it is their right to charge what they want to charge. If they were in dire financial straights, they could certainly drop below AMD prices and force amd to cut into their own profit margins. But they do not need to at this time.

For the enthusiast, AMD is certainly better, but how much of overall computer sales are to Enthusiasts? The retail customer doesn't know which is better, as certainly exhibited by Celeron's clearly outselling Durons in retail/mail-order pcs.


Mike

 

[heng1028]

that is why intel sells more than amd

the number of 'end users' are lot more than enthusiasts out there.

we are just a little percentage in the whole market.

this is their marketing tactics. and this will be the same until amd proved they are better than intel

add: i think amd vs intel is an endless argue here

 

[Dynamix3D]

Let me just tell all you guys, since you all probably hate me now.
1. I don't hate Intel, I just think they are really stupid for not admitting that they are having a hard time competing with AMD. They cannot accept the fact that AMD is winning in performance. Even though many people still buy Intel for the name, I think people that do that are just as dumb as Intel for thinking they still have a better CPU when they actually don't.
2. I am 18
3. I have always liked AMD even with the K6's although back then I could agree Intel was definately better, and I much would have rather owned an Intel chip at the time.
4. Intel totally messed up with RDRAM, and now they are gonna mess up even more if they don't decide to go with DDR.
5. I can't wait to see AMD's answer to the P4, because if a P4 is barely beating Tbird's I can't even imagine how badly Intel is gonna get whooped once AMD releases there new improved CPU's.

 

[Dynamix3D]

Also sorry for coming out with such a bad impression, I did not mean to come all out like that. I am really not one of those people that are gonna hate something just because I like something else. I just don't like Intel's decisions right now really. I think AMD hold's the crown for now, and I think Intel should accept it. Maybe eventually Intel can gain its crown back, but either way I will always go with the better performer, I do not buy PC products for the name, I go with the better performer. Cause if I bought products for name, I definately would not have just bought an MSI board over an Asus or Abit.

 

[Mikewarrior2]

What the hell should intel do? Immediately cease CPU manufacturer because AMD has a higher performing chip? Again, lay down the crack pipe.



Mike

 

[compuwiz1]

<< 1. I don't hate Intel, I just think they are really stupid for not admitting that they are having a hard time competing with AMD. >>



What exactly should they do, come out and make a public announcement and say:

Were sorry, we can no longer compete with AMD, so were gonna hang it up. Buwahahaha!

What is spewing from your keyboard is extremely stupid!

 

[Dynamix3D]

compuwiz1: forget it, I will make you happy and just not say anything no more, Intel owns and thats it, forget it. AMD is just here for a minute then Intel is coming right back to win it all. YOU WON!

 

[kyoshozx]

Well I dont think anyone hates you I certainly dont. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and we just like to express our own. =)

well back to your new post,
1. First Intel might not be having a great year, but they are still able to compete with AMD pretty well. They still have a majority of market. For you and most computer enthusiasts it's performance. But for intel and amd, they are fighting for market share.
3. I agree with you k6's was a decent product might not of been the fastest though.
4. RDRAM, well check this out. What if next year intel does release a DDR chipset, and the performance is below that of RDRAM. What do you think will happen? The DDR ram right now cannot supply the amount of bandwidth the p4 bus is capable of handling. There is a possiblity that DDR ram might not be as fast as RDRAM on the p4. I'm sure VIA will definately release a ddr chipset for the p4.
5. I can't wait either =) I hope it definately does have SSE2 extensions.

Oh btw just curious, what kind of system are you running right now?

 

[Dynamix3D]

Right now I have an AMD 500Mhz Classic on an Asus K7M. But that system will not be any longer by the end of this month cause I just ordered all new parts and I am rebuilding this system.

By Xmas day my system will be this:

Inwin Q500A w/ 300Watt PSU
1Ghz AMD TBird w/ Super Orb
MSI K7T Pro2-A w/ Blue Orb on the Northbridge
256MB (2x128MB) PC133 Mushkin High Performance REV2
45GB IBM Deskstar 75GXP
CL 3D Annihilator Pro (32MB DDR) cooled by Blue Orb (waiting for NV20 to upgrade video cards)
SB Live! Value
Midiland S4 8200's 5.1 Dolby Digital Speakers (after Xmas)
50X CDROM (hoping to get a 40X Ultraplex)
Plextor 12x10x32A
Pioneer 16X DVD-ROM
Iomega 100MB ATAPI Zip
Samsung SyncMaster 900NF (after Xmas)

 

[Mikewarrior2]

CompuWiz1,

Funny how we thought the same thing...



Mike

 

[fxsts]

My comment is that Intel marketing and R&amp;D have to tighten up a bit and put their act together. Intel had never made mistakes before. However, lately, they have not been doing things right and wasting a lot of resources like 820 chipsets and Rambus. It was also redicurous how many SKU's Intel had in their PIII line. Think about the manufacturing, inventory, and logistic complexity they had to deal with. Pentium IV does not look too good for now either. I had expected that P-IV to be faster than P-III at the same clock speed as P-II was with P-I. However, it's not the case.

 

[SykoFreak]

Oh my, what a cynical view of the average consumer (although well deserved). As the others said, Intel isn't going down any time soon.

 

[Spindler]

screw intel. and screw amd.

long live cyrix!!!

 

[flyfish]

The &quot;ignorant masses&quot; are becoming fewer, as younger, computer literate people move into the buying market. In the long run I think AMD will prevail. Why pay more for less?

 

[Neoplasia]

That's quite a simplistic view to say that Intel's screwed because AMD is gaining popularity. Intel still has things like SMP under their belt, as well as a lot of the business world. They aren't screwed, they just have good competition finally. Just so happens AMD makes an almost equal (better in some ways, worse in others) chip for a lot less. Having said that I'm not buying anymore Intel chips (unless I get an SMP system sometime before AMD does this) because of the price. I really don't get all these &quot;Intel haters&quot;, I bet you all had at least one Intel computer before the last several months.

 

[GaryTcs]

Um, has anyone mentioned that the reason that the celeron owns the value market is a lack of integrated motherboards? As soon as socket A motherboards are available with an integrated video solution (as well as audio), this will change. The expensive Socket A boards more than make up the difference in CPU price for oem's.

The average buyer may even be getting a clue to the P-4's lackluster performance. I read an article in PC World, and saw a segment on Tech-TV, that both expressed that the P-4 is not the processor to buy despite it's clock speed. These are fairly mainstream mediums for those interested in purchasing PC's. Both recommended Athlon. I also believe that we may have more influence on the Cpu market than we think, as not only the systems we build reflect our prefrences, many others ask us for advice, and I believe heed it when the time to purchase comes. We are like mechanics, whenever a friend has any PC related issue, they ask us for advice.

I do hope that Intel gets its act together, because I want a reasonable choice in all components. Just like I hope 3DFX gets their act together. Right now I cannot use or recommend either companies low performing, overpriced product.

 

[bonkers325]

what a funny thread
intel rules
amd blows(i must admit nice prices)

point is intel has been here way too long and amd is not .

 

I dont see how people can count out a industry leader in 2 years.
Its intel, they are huge, they could buy AMD, but the FCC would jump all over their a$$e$.
Its like saying that Ford, who pratically invented the car, was beaten in sales by chrysler for 2 years, so they
decided there is no future in it and went down hill to extinction.
They are both companies that will be cornerstones for a new market, the new utility. The computer and the Internet.
They will both compete and keep each other on their toes. And the industry will continue to grow.
Its business cycle.
People are too quick to jump at what looks perfect in the immediate.
But fail to see beyond that.
I would put my chips with a company that has 30x the capital for R&amp;D then a competing company.
Your going to hear intel for years to come.
deal with it

my .02

 

[Valvoline6]

Intel is no way near screwed. They are already planning for the future, and have more research money and facilities. Check this article if you have any doubt http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20001211/tc/intel_dc_1.html.

Not that it isn't great that AMD is around to provide some serious competition. I hope AMD continues to produce good chips well into the future. Competition is good for all of us..

 

[Usul]

Intel begun to screw uo when managers begun to tell engineers what to do, and by when.

 

[Mikewarrior2]

Saying Intel is screwing up is a big difference from saying &quot;intel is going down&quot; or &quot;intel is screwed&quot;. They have made mistakes, but Dynamix3d obviously wants to see intel quit the CPU business for no real apparent reason(other than his belief that intel should quit because AMD is faster).

I didn't see AMD quit when the k6-2 was slower than the p2, why should it be any different now?


Mike

 

[R0b0tN1k]

Dammit, you kids have blinders on or something. The whole computing industry doesn't consist of a bunch of kids overclocking Durons. Intel is expanding into so many different market segments that they can afford to lose your business. I think they're happy AMD is taking you on as customers. No more whining kids returning burnt out CPU's...they can focus on the markets that matter. Dynamix3D, grow a brain, please.

 

[carpetguy]

Intel's Prices Sucks And There's A New Sheriff In Town (AMD Stands For A Major Deal!) HAIL TO THE KING BABY!!!!!!

 

[EdipisReks]

dynamix3d, you suck (but at least he isn't as bad as hardware)

 

[AdamK47]

I don't see major businesses converting to AMD. I work in computer ops for Amway world headquarters (which is about a 1 square mile complex) and all they have is Intel Intel Intel.