Intel Is Officially In The Crapper

Krudy25

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i agree i have only owned one intel since they first came out that was my pentium 120 other than that i still run amd and always will
 

n7

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*sigh*

Intel's not going anywhere, & neither is AMD.

I just can't wait to see the upcoming Conroe vs. AM2 war :evil:
 

pkme2

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Just got my third ASUS mobo for my next build. Now if I can get an X2 at a super price.....
 

batmanuel

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Intel will probably slice prices by as much as 50 percent to regain sales, according to analysts such as Citigroup's Glen Yeung.

Oh yeah! Bring on the dual core price war!

(Actually, I have a 3.4GHz Prescott in my system right now. Got it cheap through the Retail Edge program, though, $199 for the processor, motherboard and Win XP Pro. Got screwed because the board is a 915 board and doesn't support dual core even though it is an LGA775 board).
 

Pez D Spencer

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Originally posted by: batmanuel
(Actually, I have a 3.4GHz Prescott in my system right now. Got it cheap through the Retail Edge program, though, $199 for the processor, motherboard and Win XP Pro. Got screwed because the board is a 915 board and doesn't support dual core even though it is an LGA775 board).


I've got a 3.0Ghz Prescott and a 915 board in my other computer and it's been a very solid system but the prescott just gets so hot and the 915 is a totally un-overclockable board. I wasn't really into overclocking when I got it I just wanted a solid system and that was one of the few boards back then that was sporting a PCI-Express slot.
 

batmanuel

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I'm just pissed because they require a 945 board for the Pentium D. If it didn't require a whole new board, I'd have slapped in a 920 into my system a long time ago. AMD was a lot nicer to their s939 users.
 

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Well, I for one would not say they're in the crapper although, it seems they are headed that way.

Intel has three things going for them.
1. Superior marketing - AMD has never had a good marketing system in place. Its a trade off. Intel has sub par products with excellent marketing while AMD has better products with sub par marketing.
2. Intel has tons of capital where AMD does not. This is certainly not so much of a disadvantage for AMD as it seems word of mouth has helped them take a chunk of Intels market share. Just take a look at the final earnings for both companies last year.
3. Intels mobile arena - They are still very strong in the mobile arena. Even though AMD has the turion and now the X2 turion due out in May, Intel will more than likely, retain the lead.

In the end, we the consumer win as, Intel now has their back to the wall with the anti-trust suit and their alledged ill fated bullying and marketing tactics. Now they will be forced to produce products that not only run well against AMDs current lineup, but surpass them. They now know if they don't, it could be disastrous.
 

nycdude

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My first system was an Intel based P2 and then P3. I decided my first build was with the Athlon XP 2500+, then Venice 3000+, and lastly the Opteron 165 and never looked back. Thanks AMD.
 

essasin

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But all those people who to go best buy and by extended warranties for 100 dollar printers and get sucked into buying 24k gold plated usb cables for 35 bucks will still contine to think Intel is best because of marketing. There are plenty of them out there and will keep Intel up top.
 

stevty2889

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Originally posted by: batmanuel
I'm just pissed because they require a 945 board for the Pentium D. If it didn't require a whole new board, I'd have slapped in a 920 into my system a long time ago. AMD was a lot nicer to their s939 users.

You don't need a 945/955/975 for a Pentium-D..I am running my Presler on a P5P800-SE which is an 865 chipset..and my 805 is on an NF4-SLI motherboard..although I don't think I"ve seen any 915/925 chipset boards with pentium-D support.
 

djdrastic

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I don't like intel , but we need at least 2 competitive manufacturers to keep the prices down
 

firewall

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:thumbsup: AMD user here. The first and my current PC, btw, that I built has AMD 3200+ Winchester with MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum SLI board. Threre have been some annoyances (user switching in WinXP, application memory errors) which I am sure I won't have faced with Intel's desktop board with an Intel processor. However, if I am asked to build a system again, I would still go with AMD. It's a matter of principle and performance for me.
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: batmanuel
I'm just pissed because they require a 945 board for the Pentium D. If it didn't require a whole new board, I'd have slapped in a 920 into my system a long time ago. AMD was a lot nicer to their s939 users.
Compare your system to a Socket 754 system.

Anyways, the only time I've had an intel chip in my own computer was a 486DX-50 (before that was an AMD 386 40mhz then a TI 486DLC-40). But we've reached the point where for many people, even the slowest cpus today are far more power than they need, and right now intel has the cheaper systems. Celeron D cpus are cheaper than Semprons. And I recently ordered an intel system for a server because the only important thing was hard drive speed and you can build a cheaper intel system with a board that has a PCI-X slot. And I'm talking cheaper by a lot...

Say what you will about both companies, but there is no dispute that the average price (& minimum price) for a new AMD cpu has gone up considerably over the past few years. I paid $90 for a Barton cpu in 2003 when they were the premium AMD cpus, there were still the T-breds & Durons cheaper than that. Nowadays that doesn't even get you the cheapest s939 cpu. Cheapest Sempron is $72.

Times have changed - and intel is the company now that can deliver on the lowest cost system. Intel is definately not in the crapper.
 

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Originally posted by: asadasif
:thumbsup: AMD user here. The first and my current PC, btw, that I built has AMD 3200+ Winchester with MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum SLI board. Threre have been some annoyances (user switching in WinXP, application memory errors) which I am sure I won't have faced with Intel's desktop board with an Intel processor. However, if I am asked to build a system again, I would still go with AMD. It's a matter of principle and performance for me.

Use of an AMD chip should not be causing any of those problems, could be something else in your system though.
 

firewall

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Originally posted by: wetcat007
Originally posted by: asadasif
:thumbsup: AMD user here. The first and my current PC, btw, that I built has AMD 3200+ Winchester with MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum SLI board. Threre have been some annoyances (user switching in WinXP, application memory errors) which I am sure I won't have faced with Intel's desktop board with an Intel processor. However, if I am asked to build a system again, I would still go with AMD. It's a matter of principle and performance for me.

Use of an AMD chip should not be causing any of those problems, could be something else in your system though.

Maybe, I will be re-installing WinXP sometime in the next month when I have time.
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: asadasif
Originally posted by: wetcat007
Originally posted by: asadasif
:thumbsup: AMD user here. The first and my current PC, btw, that I built has AMD 3200+ Winchester with MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum SLI board. Threre have been some annoyances (user switching in WinXP, application memory errors) which I am sure I won't have faced with Intel's desktop board with an Intel processor. However, if I am asked to build a system again, I would still go with AMD. It's a matter of principle and performance for me.

Use of an AMD chip should not be causing any of those problems, could be something else in your system though.

Maybe, I will be re-installing WinXP sometime in the next month when I have time.

Yeah, this is definately not a typical issue.
 

Auric

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I still have more confidence in Intel chipsets. Almost never hear of any problems with 'em in themselves or compatability-wise. The only thing I can really recall is not being able to use more than 2 of 4 DIMM slots on ill-fated RDRAM systems (?) many years ago which in itself was not disasterous. Indeed, such oversights and worse seem disturbingly commonplace from third-party designs. It has been said that AMD's integration of the memory controller has eliminated many of the problems from that camp but still others seem to persist from casual observation of enthusiast forums. I understand the DIY element increases the potential for user caused problems so the perception can be skewed simply by third-party AMD based chipsets being the flavour du jour amongst that crowd but it still seems niggly issues persist with any third-party (AMD or Intel) design as other hardware manufacturers (add-in cards &c.) continue to design to all-Intel systems which says something about standards not really being standards in the real world.

Thus I am still wary of VIA, SIS, ULI, NVIDIA, ATI, et alli. I can see there is appeal for primarily game or low-cost systems but to me any trade-off in reliabilty or compatability is not worth a few dollars even if they also claim a few percent higher performance as well. I would however consider an AMD designed chipset if that was offered as a viable feature and cost-effective alternative to Intel's but for the mo' that seems unlikely when considering it means products intended for servers only versus the whole range.

Intel has played socket/slot games to foil competition to the detriment of their own customers but even so if purchased at the right time I have found there to be adequate longevity for my humble needs, particularly with the i440BX and i865PE. Intel has certainly blundered recently in allowing competition to catch up and even surpass in some areas but increased product parity is a Good Thing for end-users as it drives both technical advancement and lower prices (or at least more bang for the rupee). It seems both camps will be offering compelling products this year which should provide a good buying point for those of us keen on mobo's with a few years of CPU/GPU upgradabilty.
 

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Originally posted by: Auric
I still have more confidence in Intel chipsets. Almost never hear of any problems with 'em in themselves or compatability-wise. The only thing I can really recall is not being able to use more than 2 of 4 DIMM slots on ill-fated RDRAM systems (?) many years ago which in itself was not disasterous. Indeed, such oversights and worse seem disturbingly commonplace from third-party designs.

Speaking of memory controllers, I don't know if Intel ever fixed this (or just switched to DDR2 and left this problem behind them) but a couple of years ago Intel chipsets could support 4GB of DDR across 4 DIMM slots if you used DIMM's that were only single sided. Personally, I haven't seen single sided 1GB DDR DIMM's.

Originally posted by: AuricIt has been said that AMD's integration of the memory controller has eliminated many of the problems from that camp but still others seem to persist from casual observation of enthusiast forums. I understand the DIY element increases the potential for user caused problems so the perception can be skewed simply by third-party AMD based chipsets being the flavour du jour amongst that crowd but it still seems niggly issues persist with any third-party (AMD or Intel) design as other hardware manufacturers (add-in cards &c.) continue to design to all-Intel systems which says something about standards not really being standards in the real world.

Memory compatibility issues vary from board to board, not chipset to chipset. I see issues in both camps.

Originally posted by: AuricThus I am still wary of VIA, SIS, ULI, NVIDIA, ATI, et alli. I can see there is appeal for primarily game or low-cost systems but to me any trade-off in reliabilty or compatability is not worth a few dollars even if they also claim a few percent higher performance as well. I would however consider an AMD designed chipset if that was offered as a viable feature and cost-effective alternative to Intel's but for the mo' that seems unlikely when considering it means products intended for servers only versus the whole range.

Actually, especially when it comes to video cards, probably the most problematic of all compatibility issues, the best combination for an nVidia video card, is an nVidia chipset. And an ATI video card, an ATI chipset. And both of these chipsets were originally offered for AMD platforms.

Originally posted by: AuricIntel has played socket/slot games to foil competition to the detriment of their own customers but even so if purchased at the right time I have found there to be adequate longevity for my humble needs, particularly with the i440BX and i865PE. Intel has certainly blundered recently in allowing competition to catch up and even surpass in some areas but increased product parity is a Good Thing for end-users as it drives both technical advancement and lower prices (or at least more bang for the rupee). It seems both camps will be offering compelling products this year which should provide a good buying point for those of us keen on mobo's with a few years of CPU/GPU upgradabilty.

Agreed. I go whichever way the wind blows and never have hardware issues. Then again, with years of experience fixing other people's PC's, I find most problems that are blamed on compatibility issues are contributed to user error (not doing research) or just plain mis-diagnosis (a bad hard drive causing lock ups that are blamed on CPU stability. A cheap PSU being blamed on a inherently flawed chipset, etc.)

With Intel stock down, I say BUY BUY BUY! You know it's going to go back up. It always does! New CPU's will be released, there's always the server market which is reluctant to go the Opteron path and there's more to Intel's market than CPU's. ;)