Intel Iris & Iris Pro Graphics: Haswell GT3/GT3e Gets a Brand

[Piroko]

Pretty much. There are numerous articles discussing intel's motivation to focus on graphics technology so much, including ones on AT - Apple's insistence has been a key motivator. As stated, you better believe that Apple will ditch discrete at the first possible chance. There really is no reason to get a discrete chip when it is only marginally better or the same in terms of performance.

I don't disagree with that, but I also don't see Haswell as said first possible chance. Apple might take them for the Macbook Air, Macbook Pro and Mac Minis, but for the iMacs? I'm a bit sceptical about that. Those neither have have a size issue nor much of a power issue, and graphics performance is somewhat relevant for an AIO specifically aimed as desktop replacement / main PC.

 

[sontin]

"Geforce revenue from our gaming segment was up 24% Y-Y"
Karen Burns, nVidia.

Yeah, the gaming market is really dead.

 

[NTMBK]

"Geforce revenue from our gaming segment was up 24% Y-Y"
Karen Burns, nVidia.

Yeah, the gaming market is really dead.

Their revenue went up because they took massive chunks of marketshare (mainly in laptops) away from AMD. Geforce revenue != total dGPU revenue.

 

[galego]

Nvidia's answer to Haswell unprecedented treat

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/31342-nvidia-expects-to-gain-share-on-haswell

 

[StrangerGuy]

It's flat out wrong to assume its going to happen. Intel has killed $50 discrete, because these were rubbish to start with, the dies are tiny and the TDP is low. It can be matched by a iGPU easily because iGPU have similar specs.

If Intel wants to compete with mainstream cards with 125W TDP, or approaching mid-range with 200W TDP, they are going to have to start releasing monster APU dies >400mm2 and a TDP of 200W+ combined.

Sure, it can happen, but then it won't be CHEAP.. thus, it wont have the volumes to threaten anything.

tldr: Intel doesn't do magic, perf/mm2 and perf/w still is the defining factor to determine whether Intel can threaten a certain market of discrete GPU or not.

IMO, Haswell has become sort of a big deal is only because it appeared at the extreme tail end of a 8 year woefully outdated console generation and there is plenty of low hanging fruits to pick when the iGPU bar is low to begin with. When the next-gen PC ports hit I'm fully expecting them to outright murder Haswell.

 

[jpiniero]

but for the iMacs?

The other issue is the cost. The 4770R is going to be the most expensive mainstream desktop processor and the i5 ones are going to be close behind that. The amount of OEMs that could even sell AIOs that expensive in any kind of volume is Apple.. and that's pretty much it.

 

[Sweepr]

As some have predicted 28W Haswell with Iris HD5100 is coming to premium 13.3'' ultrabooks, ASUS is the first:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7012/...ell-with-iris-5100-graphics-2560-x-1440-panel

15.5mm, insane 2560x1440 touchscreen panel, ~1.4kg. Beautiful ultrabook by the way. 2x ULV HD4000 performance is expected.

 

[386user]

still dont see the point on the touchscreens..but i guess its a way to differentiate ultrabooks as 'premium'

 

[Sweepr]

First Iris Pro laptop spotted: 14.1" Galago UltraPro
Core i7-4750HQ (Iris Pro 5200 w/ 128Mb eDRAM), 1080p IPS screen, 3.8 pounds for U$995

https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/galu1

 

[sniffin]

What drives GPU sells? Games, computation and displays(resolution).

Games aren't pushing the boundaries, they are ports. And Displays aren't either, unless its niche Professional Screens or some Apple "retina" screen.

Yeah I don't know about that. As far as AAA titles go there has been advancement enough. BF3 was the first taste we got of 2011 tech becoming not good enough. I remember having to disable MSAA on my 6970 in BF3 mp. Imagine playing Last Light or Bioshock Infinite maxed on a 580 or 6970. Would not be fun.

 

[Idontcare]

First Iris Pro laptop spotted: 14.1" Galago UltraPro
Core i7-4750HQ (Iris Pro 5200 w/ 128Mb eDRAM), 1080p IPS screen, 3.8 pounds for U$995

https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/galu1

I'd would have laughed my balls off from the irony if that Intel-based laptop was actually named the Galego UltraPro

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Haha, I actually read it as Galego, and assumed it was a troll post.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I'd would have laughed my balls off from the irony if that Intel-based laptop was actually named the Galego UltraPro

Hahaha :sneaky:

 

[monstercameron]

I get the joke but I don't get it...

 

[crashtech]

Any word on whether any Haswell "R" will become available in mini-ITX?

 

[NTMBK]

Any word on whether any Haswell "R" will become available in mini-ITX?

I have high hopes. The max TDP for a CPU/APU in Intel's thin mini-ITX format is 65W, which is precisely the TDP of the 4770R...

 

[galego]

I'd would have laughed my balls off from the irony if that Intel-based laptop was actually named the Galego UltraPro

Haha, I actually read it as Galego, and assumed it was a troll post.

Hahaha :sneaky:

But it is named Galago Ultra Pro. Galagos are those "little night monkeys". Here you can see three of them

 

[FwFred]

First Iris Pro laptop spotted: 14.1" Galago UltraPro
Core i7-4750HQ (Iris Pro 5200 w/ 128Mb eDRAM), 1080p IPS screen, 3.8 pounds for U$995

https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/galu1

Very nice configuration options for a laptop that size. I can get 16GB RAM for a reasonable upgrade, with a SSD+HDD.

It seems like Apple could squeeze Iris Pro into the 13" rMBP if it wanted to:

13.26" x 9.90" x 0.75", 3.90 pounds (System 76, Galago UltraPro)

12.35" x 8.62" x 0.75", 3.57 pounds (Apple 13" rMBP)

The Apple is smaller, but the Galago has options for mSATA + 2.5" HDD. Factor in soldered down memory, then it gets pretty close. I wonder if Iris Pro supports TDP-down?

 

[Arachnotronic]

IMO, Haswell has become sort of a big deal is only because it appeared at the extreme tail end of a 8 year woefully outdated console generation and there is plenty of low hanging fruits to pick when the iGPU bar is low to begin with. When the next-gen PC ports hit I'm fully expecting them to outright murder Haswell.

I agree; but don't underestimate how fast Broadwell's IGP is going to be. At 14nm (much more die space) + new Gen8 uArch, it could still be solid, albeit not discrete class.

 

[Idontcare]

But it is named Galago Ultra Pro. Galagos are those "little night monkeys". Here you can see three of them

Ah, they are so cute

But I think you are on to something there galego regarding Intel's multi-thread strategy, clearly it critically hinges on the infinite monkey theorem!

The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type a given text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare.

 

[galego]

Ah, they are so cute

But I think you are on to something there galego regarding Intel's multi-thread strategy, clearly it critically hinges on the infinite monkey theorem!

Now Haswell release makes sense.

 

[Sweepr]

Seems like System76 is using the same chassis as the Clevo W740SU (another Iris Pro laptop).

http://youtu.be/1ymx0i85IJQ

 

[Fox5]

Seems like System76 is using the same chassis as the Clevo W740SU (another Iris Pro laptop).

http://youtu.be/1ymx0i85IJQ

Meh, the build to order barebones laptops aren't really known for build quality. They'll give you a good price on the level of hardware you can put in them, and have a quick time to market. I don't have high hopes that this will have much better build quality than the typical plastic laden piecewise construction that barebones laptops are known for.

 

[Sweepr]

Apple's MacBook Air refresh for 2013 saw it integrating Intel's 4th generation Core "Haswell" CPUs in an effort to improve performance and battery life. It was only a matter of time before the CPU architecture caught up with the rest of Apple's lineup. A validation of a 15-inch MacBook Pro on Geekbench database reveals that Apple is already testing the notebook with the very latest Intel chips.
With Core "Haswell," Intel introduced a new grade of silicon codenamed "Haswell-GT3," which combines four CPU cores with up to 6 MB L3 cache, and a large integrated graphics core that features 40 execution units, as opposed to 20 found on regular "Haswell-GT2" and "Haswell-GT1" grades. The added pixel-crunching muscle makes the chip ready to singlehandedly take on Apple's Retina displays, without the need for discrete GPUs, such as the NVIDIA GeForce GT 640M that handled the first Retina-equipped MacBook Pro.

The Geekbench validation scored by the press points out that a near-future 15-inch MacBook Pro could run Intel's Core i7-4950HQ quad-core processor, which is a "Haswell-GT3" part, featuring Intel Iris 5200 graphics, 6 MB L3 cache, and up to 2.40 GHz of CPU clock speed. A slightly older report that predates Apple's grand Spring unveil, pointed out that "Haswell" driven MacBook Pros with Retina display, could be introduced any time this summer. Apple is eyeing back-to-school sales.

http://www.techpowerup.com/186878/macbook-pro-retina-with-core-haswell-gt3-silicon-confirmed.html

 

[wilds]

such as the NVIDIA GeForce GT 640M that handled the first Retina-equipped MacBook Pro.

Slight correction, but it was the GT 650M. Though the clocks on the 650M were higher than the stock GTX 660M. But the 640M, 650M, and 660M all have 384 cuda cores.