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intel i7 4770k
- Thread starter iFati
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Hm, a quick search gives me an indication that it's fairly good at dota 2. Although that indication is from SemiAccurate, so although it's a direct review, take with a few grains of salt.
More importantly, see that processor that's doing almost as well? That's an A10-5800K. It's less than half the price of a 4770k. For gaming without a discrete GPU, a 4770k is an overpowered CPU with relatively poor graphics.
More importantly, see that processor that's doing almost as well? That's an A10-5800K. It's less than half the price of a 4770k. For gaming without a discrete GPU, a 4770k is an overpowered CPU with relatively poor graphics.
Lonbjerg
Diamond Member
i haw read but dont remeber where to post the link that it playes dota2 in ultra the hd4600 but needed more info for that i wanted to upgrade pc i play only dota if the igpu playes it really i go with haswell becouse cant buy theese month a gpu. thank you pls if anyonw knows exactly write here
Arachnotronic
Lifer
Buy an AMD A10-5800k. For what you want to do, it offers vastly better bang-for-the-buck.
RussianSensation
Elite Member
Why do people keep recommending the outdated A10-5800K when A10-6800K Richland is on sale?
I would rather go with an dual-core Pentium G2020 (or similar) $65 and HD7770 for $80.
Faster than A10-6800K in games and GPU is faster. Then when the OP saves money for a quad-core CPU, he can pick up a 3570K and overclock it as he becomes familiar with PC hardware.
If you start off with A10-6800K, the entire platform is going to be CPU limited with no reasonable upgrade path.
iFati, if you want to a fast CPU such as 4770K, the GPU is already free. You can just buy that and if the GPU is not satisfactory for your needs, buy a discrete card. If you are only looking for a light gaming system, then go with G2020 and HD7770.
Arachnotronic
Lifer
Solid point, RS.
ty for advice i know that thoose are noobish questions but i just read the overclocking never tryed and wanted to go with 4770k i am not ultra gamer but i need new pc. first of all if i go with asus z87-pro and i7 4770 and asus gtx 660 2gb and 16 gb ram than why is beter the 4770k why i need to overclock? what the efect of the overclocking
I ran Dota 2 at 1920x1200 with full details on an i5-3570k with Intel HD4000 gfx. It ran around 25-35fps with dips to 1-5fps on the character loading screen.
With medium details it ran around 40fps.
RussianSensation
Elite Member
What are the primary uses of your system and how long do you intend to keep it? 4770K is primarily beneficial over 4670K if you run apps that take advantage of 8 threads. Games rarely do.
If gaming is your primary concern, drop down to 4670K, the motherboard you are buying is major overkill unless you go with multiple high-end GPUs. Save some money and get Asrock Extreme 4:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157369
or if you prefer Asus, the Z87-A: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131981
or MSI Z87 GD45 Gaming has Sound blaster Audio and Killer NIC for reduced latency:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130693
Even GD65 Gaming seems like a better board than the overpriced Asus you picked. For $210, that Asus board doesn't even support 16x/8x/8x configuration. Not seeing how Asus is charging such a premium for the Pro board without any killer features/components besides Wi-Fi.
With the money saved from not getting the 4770K, get an SSD or put aside the funds for a future GPU upgrade.
I like the Gigabyte GTX660 card if you end up going with a 660.
If you are buying your parts in US, don't forget the Newegg CPU + Mobo combo discounts:
http://promotions.newegg.com/Intel/13-2191/index.html
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SiliconWars
Platinum Member
I disagree. The dual core pentium might be ok for a few very single threaded games but in most cases (and most cases going forward) it fails quite badly.
http://techreport.com/review/23662/amd-a10-5800k-and-a8-5600k-trinity-apus-reviewed/10
As for overclocking the i5 he buys later, I guess that means he'll be spending a lot more $$$ on an overclocking motherboard to start with so that'll start to wipe out the savings on the Pentium.
Dual cores are dead, sadly FM2 and AM3+ looks like a dead end as well. With all that in mind I would recommend going for the A8-6600K, cheap FM2 mobo and then buying a better graphics card if he needs more performance later. The 6600K will easily overclock to 4.5 GHz at which point it's able to match any i3 and being a true quad core means it'll hold on to it's performance better over the next few years.
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SiliconWars
Platinum Member
By the sounds of things an i5 3470/3550 and 7750 level card would be good enough so if money permits it then go for that. Get a cheap H61 mobo with Ivy Bridge support to save money.
Magic Carpet
Diamond Member
Since, I own a G2020, I have the right to say. It's really not that much better than a 7-year old Conroe @ 2.9 Ghz (I've toyed with both, yes). Get something better. Dual-core gaming is a thing of the past now (even though, you can find plenty of benchmarks saying otherwise). FX 6300 or SB i5, is the minimum, I recommend for modern games, today.
With regards to HD7770, I've had it and I have sold it since. It's a terrible card if you like PhysX-enabled games. Even with a slower Geforce 640, I had a much better / more consistent experience in Borderlands 2. If I must go with Radeon, I'd get at least 7790.
Alternatively, wait for PS4. Cheaper, hassle-free option.
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for someone considering gaming with the HD 4600 I think a dual core pentium is a smaller problem,
but I totally agree, for a better gaming experience there is no point in going lower than an i5, but also no point in going lower than let's say a 7870.
PS4 does not exist at the moment, and it's probably going to cost over $400!?
Magic Carpet
Diamond Member
I missed that part. Thanks for pointing it out. I think, HD 4600 is great if you have a later discreet GPU in mind. Also, that BGA SKU with Iris onboard looks like a good deal as well, but I haven't seen it on the market yet.
Geforce 660 / 7870 is the minimum that I recommend for my clients. Reason, why no 7850 is because, OC is a hit or miss and usually involves a good deal of tweaking, and most people are not interested in that (OC also, gives extra headache in maintenance such systems).
Of course, it doesn't. Just saying when it's out, it would be a much better investment than a similar high-end PC option. Most people don't buy and sell all the time.
RussianSensation
Elite Member
The only reason I recommended G2020 + HD7770 is if the OP was considering A10-5800/6800K. I would never recommend such as a setup against an i5 + mid-range discrete GPU. However, for a budget build to give OP time to save $$ for an i5 12 months from now if he needs to, G2020 + HD7770 would smoke the A10-6800K in games.
GT640 is trash for modern gaming. It's going to be 85-100% slower than HD7770 in games on average and loses horrendously to even an HD7750:
http://techreport.com/review/23179/review-nvidia-geforce-gt-640-graphics-card/8
PhysX on budget cards is a waste of time when the card can't play any modern games at 1080P with PhysX enabled. I am too lazy to look for BL2 benchmarks of GT640 vs. HD7770 but since the OP didn't even mention BL2, nor PhysX, I do not know why you brought it up.
GT640 is 50-60% slower than HD5770. Now let's look at DOTA 2 benchmarks of HD7770 vs. HD5770:
Of course if the budget permits, something like an i5 4670K + GTX660/HD7870 is a much better system than i7 4770K with HD7770 / onboard IGP.
Magic Carpet
Diamond Member
It's best to save time/money and buy a proper processor to avoid refitting / reselling things later (unless, of course, one likes doing it (i.e. makes money doing this)). Most people, would rather pay more (and be done with it), if they know, it is worth it.
It's not a very fast card indeed. And I would not generally recommend this card for gaming or mark it as a must-buy, unless of course, the price is right. But, that's not the point. The much faster card, HD7770, gave me worse gaming experience in Borderlands 2 with PhysX set to High. In certain areas, my framerate dipped to one-digit numbers, whereas 640 had maintained playable framerates @768 (native resolution of one my LCD's). There was one area, just before entering Oasis where HD7770 would always lag for a second or two, no matter what drivers I tried. Right after that, I swapped to a much inferior card (640) and this particular area worked smooth as butter. Just one real-world example. In Crysis 3, I didn't notice much difference @768. I started playing with 640 finished with 7770, I am sure the latter was faster but it did not affect my gameplay much. The real speed demon compared to both is 660, lol.
Depends on your setup and requirements. 640 is quite good on lower resolutions and / or details. Besides, it does a good job when used as a dedicated PhysX card. Most importantly, its performance is very consistent. Working as advertised, no deep sleep bugs, etc (I've had with the Radeons).
You are correct. It bares no relevance to the topic. My bad. In my actual gaming experience, HD7770 proved to be a disaster (it was the card I meant to replace 640 actually). I guess, I just wanted the OP to be aware of the other games, should he choose to play.
I am sure, there are cases such as you have outlined above.
Well, after re-reading the original post, I would buy a 4770 or 4770k (depends on preference) and use integrated graphics for now. It is better to drop-in a graphics card later when his/her gamelist expands.
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Eureka
Diamond Member
What are you afraid of with the K? It's just like any other processor... Asus is nice but they are expensive for what you get. Any of the boards listed will do well, especially if you're just going to build a normal system and not something high-end.
Because Richland for desktop is a retarded upgrade. About $20 more expensive and performance gpu wise is barely better (gpu frequency increases by ~5% from 800 mhz to 844 mhz). CPU increases by ~10%. But all of that is easily available from a slightly overclocked a10-5800k and so the money is not well spent.
As for dota 2 performance.
HD 4000 can run it fine at low 1080p (nearly 50 fps). A faster clocked desktop model (1300 mhz vs the ~1150 of the laptop + more cache) and HD 4600 (30%) I would expect nearly 70 fps at 1080p low. Probably playable at 1080p med.
i am afraight of overcklocking i heard that it destory the cpu or anything u overcklock sory again for my bad english the more voltages u use will destroy the overcklocking that why i am afraight. i like to go with 4770 and asus motherboard like z87deluxe becouse z87-pro isn good enough lie one wrote in top becouse in 1 or 2 weeks i will get an good gpu and dont want to spend now than after not to have good performances. ty so much
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